The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[Kdo5]

Bill is a clown.

 

[Real fan 02]

I find it more probable than not that Bill didn't write that.

She forged the report... teacher Bill will have to discipline her for such action..

 

[signbabybrady]

Mahomes could get injured and miss all of next season and valuations would go up. The brand is bigger than any individual players or coaches. They'll always be a new "mega star" player because the league is so big that anybody on top will become a huge star. If Mahomes sucked the last few years and Hurts won two Super Bowls, he'd be the new face of the league and giant star.

The reality is the NFL is just a well promoted product and the tv networks NEED it to be successful. If live sports die or even have noticeable declines, the tv landscape is going to permanently be altered.

Who has a bigger impact on the declines and inclines is the question? You seem to think Kraft had more impact than the best Players and Coaches. I disagree.

 

[lancerman]

You could create a model (based on wins/Super Bowls) to justify BB/Brady's value if the Cowboys weren't so off the charts.

In 2002 Dallas was valued at $784m. Now $10.1b

All of the other "big market" teams have not grown in value at the same rate YoY as the NEP.

That's why I said, the Patriots winning definitely put them well up the chart of teams in value rankings. But the Patriots were going to be a 6 or 7 billion dollar value team regardless. All the teams in major cities are.

Also for posterity, the Jets are a top 5 team in value. The Patriots are the third team. The most successful franchise of the las 20 years and one of the biggest jokes are. The Rams have one ring in the last 2 decades and the California move basically launched them past the Patriots.

This is the list right now.

1. Cowboys (no Super Bowls since the 90's)
2. Rams (one SB since the 90's)
3. Patriots (6 Super Bowls after 2000)
4. Giants (2 SB's since the 90's)
5. Jets (perrenial joke franchise)
6. 49'ers (no Super Bowls since the 90's)
7. Raiders (last Super Bowl win was in 1983, have been largely irrelevant the last quarter of a century).
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24. The Chiefs (most successful franchise since 2019 by a country mile).

The reason the Chiefs are so low? Kansas City isn't a big market.

 

[Bill Lee]

More like a 4 letter word that starts with an S and rhymes with gimp.

The gruff legendary football coach with 6 championships reduced to this. Sad. That's what I meant by cratered his legacy.

So that's the current word for what we used to refer to as being ****y-whipped.

 

[lancerman]

Who has a bigger impact on the declines and inclines is the question? You seem to think Kraft had more impact than the best Players and Coaches. I disagree.

Kraft directly negotiated television deals which are the PRIMARY factor in the value of teams.

The team that won the most of the last decade (Chiefs) are the 24th ranked team in value despite the NFL being more popular than ever and them having the top QB and a legendary HC who will likely get the win record.

It's very clear the valuation is about off field negotiations and television than the individual players and coaches.

The Jets are literally 2 spots in value below the Patriots despite being a joke for years and never having a marquee QB.

 

[Bill Lee]

The ****ty thing is that Bill sort of needs this to work with UNC. You don't end a college tenure in embarrassment and then get a shot at the NFL even if you were a once legendary coach. Also if you can't cut it at UNC, bigger college programs aren't going to consider you.

I'm not worried about him. He's 73. He was presumably the highest paid coach in the NFL and pulled down lots of endorsement money. At some point everyone has to decide it's time to call it. His time is over.

I don't know exactly when he lost his fastball, but IMO it was gone by the MP/JJ year. He knew he lost McD months earlier, showed up at training camp after calling his buds and his kids and plugging them into positions they had no business being in, and just went with that.

He definitely should know better, both about his coaching moves and about his off-the-field moves. Yet if he doesn't GAF, why should we?

 

[Bill Lee]

Either Bill is being severely manipulated or he is allowing her to run wild and meddle in his professional life. Either way it isn't a good look for Bill and shows a severe lapse in judgment on his part.

The only way that happens to a guy that sharp is if he has had a massive drop-off in cognitive ability. If so, the kids should be calling the lawyers in and getting him judged mentally incompetent. Till that happens, I'm just going to go with him being a guy who doesn't GAF about his personal life in general and even more now that he's 73.

 

[Bill Lee]

I sure wish Mike Lombardi still had his GM Shuffle podcast. It was high comedy the way he would go out of his way to defend Bill from all criticisms real and imagined, but hearing what he would say about Jordan would be gold.

I've been a big defender of Lombardi here, but will say his sense of loyalty to Bill and his own dependency on Bill's legacy to get him work would mean he'd find a way to resist the urge to say what he really feels. The man's whole book and media career depends on Bill being seen as the GOAT of coaches. It'd be hard for him to find a way to put distance between himself and Bill, unless he just got so fed up with it all he also doesn't GAF.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's why I said, the Patriots winning definitely put them well up the chart of teams in value rankings. But the Patriots were going to be a 6 or 7 billion dollar value team regardless. All the teams in major cities are.

Also for posterity, the Jets are a top 5 team in value. The Patriots are the third team. The most successful franchise of the las 20 years and one of the biggest jokes are. The Rams have one ring in the last 2 decades and the California move basically launched them past the Patriots.

This is the list right now.

1. Cowboys (no Super Bowls since the 90's)
2. Rams (one SB since the 90's)
3. Patriots (6 Super Bowls after 2000)
4. Giants (2 SB's since the 90's)
5. Jets (perrenial joke franchise)
6. 49'ers (no Super Bowls since the 90's)
7. Raiders (last Super Bowl win was in 1983, have been largely irrelevant the last quarter of a century).
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24. The Chiefs (most successful franchise since 2019 by a country mile).

The reason the Chiefs are so low? Kansas City isn't a big market.

Yep exactly.

 

[Steve102]

I don't know exactly when he lost his fastball, but IMO it was gone by the MP/JJ year. He knew he lost McD months earlier, showed up at training camp after calling his buds and his kids and plugging them into positions they had no business being in, and just went with that.

I think the beginning was February 4, 2018. I think there was enough players in leadership roles to hold it together for the final run back vs. the Rams. As the players left or grew more frustrated, it melted away.

 

[Bill Lee]

6 as a HC matters, his 2 as a DC don't.

Wot? Were you around in the 80s?

They don't matter compared to HC rings. Bill is a 6 time champ as HC. Parcells was HC for his other two.

BP wasn't the brains of that outfit, BB was, and everyone knows it.

 

[Vindicate]

Mods can we get the BB stuff to one thread? Currently 3 separate BB threads all talking about roughly the same thing.

 

[Steve102]

BP wasn't the brains of that outfit, BB was, and everyone knows it.

Oh I wouldn't be so fast to dismiss Parcells' contributions in those two Super Bowls. Bill 100% did have the defensive game plan, but Parcells was the HC and players loved him. Now, there can be a healthy debate on whether or not Parcells could do it without Belichick, but to dismiss Parcells is a mistake IMO.

 

[Bill Lee]

Oh I wouldn't be so fast to dismiss Parcells' contributions in those two Super Bowls. Bill 100% did have the defensive game plan, but Parcells was the HC and players loved him. Now, there can be a healthy debate on whether or not Parcells could do it without Belichick, but to dismiss Parcells is a mistake IMO.

I don't doubt players loved BP, but that doesn't make him the brains of the outfit.

I'd have more respect for BP if he went on to repeat success in Dallas and/or Miami, but he didn't.

 

[h0c2000]

IMO Stephen's wife is way more attractive than Bunny.

Jordon is mid. She's like a South Beach 3.

 

[maust]

Obviously not. Mother Teresa was way too old for him.

 

[Bill Lee]

Yes the Patriots being as successful as they were definitely moved their ranking in value higher in the horse race, but like 90% of that jump was going to happen no matter what. Bill's trying to act like he is some business miracle maker.

Here's another instance of the "that's just the way things are done these days" retort.

Of course public figures take credit for even tangential relationships to major success stories.

Especially if they have a side piece 24 year old cosmetology school drop-out pretending to be a PR professional formulating the text.

As usual, Florio shoots and Florio misses.

His motto is throw enough against the wall, some's bound to stick.

This one just slid down the wall.

 

[Bill Lee]

Jordon is mid. She's like a South Beach 3.

She's no Lily.

 

[h0c2000]