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Ted Johnson = sour grapes

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Willie55 said:
The entire system of the NFL how it chews up players and spits them out. Also I detected a hint of animosity towards BB.

When TJ "retired", I posted that I thought he was allowed to retire instead of being cut, allowing him to save face. I still don't believe the concussion story. I think BB concluded (incorrectly) that he had ample bodies to replace TJ. and decided to cut him loose. His animosity towards BB and the team, make me believe I wasn't as far off base as the responders to my post told me I was.
 
Thanks for your past service to the Patriots Ted.....now please shut up.
 
TJ had it rough from BB. Got his salary cut more than once on a take it or leave it basis. Walked away once but came back. Not exactly a love in with BB. Sacrificed his body for the club. I believe the concussion story. He had to quit for medical reasons and did not want to quit yet.

That being said he retired in his early 30s as a multi-millionaire set for life, never mind the future pension. Plus, the job he has now for good pay I'm sure, is a direct result of having played for the Patriots org; it's not something he would have gotten otherwise. He's having a hard time adjusting to the new role.

He may also be one of the players bitter over Futie having been a 'scab' strikebreaker.

I agree with his opinion that our defensive backfield looks inadequate to the task of stoping a top QB like Manning.
 
Felger's show is evolving into a scab picking escapade. He sets his guests up and all but the brightest fall right into the trap. Ted didn't seem to have any problem with the kick or the guy who made it on Sunday's post game show, and looked as stunned as Burton when Felger went into his rant. Odd that today Ted had developed issues with the kick and even the kicker.

Ted has long had issues with BB, not just financial. He was part of the old culture (along with Lawyer and Ty and Drew) whom BB had to struggle with at times over pecking order/seniority type entitlement attitudes. He said today that he thought Del Rio was a players coach (which I guess makes BB an anti-players coach???) and was making the right decision (solely on that basis) to play Leftwich. "A guy shouldn't loose his job due to injury." (I believe TJ lost his to a guy named Bruschi who used to back him up.) Ted said if Leftwich didn't play it would send a bad message to the rest of that team going forward. I guess telling a backup if you play well and win, don't expect to get the gig is sending a good message in Ted's book. Felger was a bit stunned by the attitude, so he asked him if he felt BB had made the wrong decision when he kept Brady in over Drew in 2001. Ted tap danced a bit (although you could tell he wanted to say "hell yes") and then said he would have given the job back to Drew. He tried to lighten the exchange then by saying that was probably why it was a good thing he went into the media and not coaching. I had to exit my car so I missed his answer to Felgers flabbergasted followup "Do you thing they could have won with Drew?" question. Not that his answer matters.

I have lost all respect for his analysis.
 
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denverpatsfan said:
Just trying to stir up the pot like all the other media guys.

Exactly... and speaking of Bam Childress, Ted, if the team REALLY wanted to win he wouldn't have been in there period. I think Bam probably realizes this better than you do. So lighten up a little.
 
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MoLewisrocks said:
Felger's show is evolving into a scab picking escapade. He sets his guests up and all but the brightest fall right into the trap. Ted didn't seem to have any problem with the kick or the guy who made it on Sunday's post game show, and looked as stunned as Burton when Felger went into his rant. Odd that today Ted had developed issues with the kick and even the kicker.

Ted has long had issues with BB, not just financial. He was part of the old culture (along with Lawyer and Ty and Drew) whom BB had to struggle with at times over pecking order/seniority type entitlement attitudes. He said today that he thought Del Rio was a players coach (which I guess makes BB an anti-players coach???) and was making the right decision (solely on that basis) to play Leftwich. "A guy shouldn't loose his job due to injury." (I believe TJ lost his to a guy named Bruschi who used to back him up.) Ted said if Leftwich didn't play it would send a bad message to the rest of that team going forward. I guess telling a backup if you play well and win, don't expect to get the gig is sending a good message in Ted's book. Felger was a bit stunned by the attitude, so he asked him if he felt BB had made the wrong decision when he kept Brady in over Drew in 2001. Ted tap danced a bit (although you could tell he wanted to say "hell yes") and then said he would have given the job back to Drew. He tried to lighten the exchange then by saying that was probably why it was a good thing he went into the media and not coaching. I had to exit my car so I missed his answer to Felgers flabbergasted followup "Do you thing they could have won with Drew?" question. Not that his answer matters.

I have lost all respect for his analysis.

You know, I was thinking the same thing that TJ did not have a problem with the kick on the Sunday 5th Quarter show........

Felger is on NEST now saying that we disrespected the Jags with that kick...... He is losing respect fast. I guess this is what Sports Radio does to "good" journalists.

Message to Mike Reiss.....Stay off the radio, you are our only hope!!
 
Seems most of you people don't know or have forgotten...Felger is from the midwest

"midwest, Joker?...please, tell us where?"

Indycrynapolis


Felger has always been the rat in the pantry, crapping rat turds all over the floor scurrying from one piece of cheese to another
 
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Bill's Girl said:
Felger is on NEST now saying that we disrespected the Jags with that kick...... He is losing respect fast. I guess this is what Sports Radio does to "good" journalists.

BB takes out the starters early in the 2nd quarter and it's a *4th* quarter dropkick that disrespected the Jags? Okay, Felger.

Regards,
Chris
 
Joker said:
Seems most of you people don't know or have forgotten...Felger is from the midwest

"midwest, Joker?...please, tell us where?"

Indycrynapolis


Felger has always been the rat in the pantry, crapping rat turds all over the floor scurrying from one piece of cheese to another

Actually he's from Wisconisin, Milwaukee I believe.
 
Willie55 said:
Actually he's from Wisconisin, Milwaukee I believe.

I thought so too, Willie. I know he is a Packers fan.......he wore that fricken cheese-head on NEST one night.
 
After hearing Ted tonight, it came to my mind also that the Pats let him gracefully bow out before he was cut.
 
MoLewisrocks said:
Felger's show is evolving into a scab picking escapade. He sets his guests up and all but the brightest fall right into the trap. Ted didn't seem to have any problem with the kick or the guy who made it on Sunday's post game show, and looked as stunned as Burton when Felger went into his rant. Odd that today Ted had developed issues with the kick and even the kicker.

Ted has long had issues with BB, not just financial. He was part of the old culture (along with Lawyer and Ty and Drew) whom BB had to struggle with at times over pecking order/seniority type entitlement attitudes. He said today that he thought Del Rio was a players coach (which I guess makes BB an anti-players coach???) and was making the right decision (solely on that basis) to play Leftwich. "A guy shouldn't loose his job due to injury." (I believe TJ lost his to a guy named Bruschi who used to back him up.) Ted said if Leftwich didn't play it would send a bad message to the rest of that team going forward. I guess telling a backup if you play well and win, don't expect to get the gig is sending a good message in Ted's book. Felger was a bit stunned by the attitude, so he asked him if he felt BB had made the wrong decision when he kept Brady in over Drew in 2001. Ted tap danced a bit (although you could tell he wanted to say "hell yes") and then said he would have given the job back to Drew. He tried to lighten the exchange then by saying that was probably why it was a good thing he went into the media and not coaching. I had to exit my car so I missed his answer to Felgers flabbergasted followup "Do you thing they could have won with Drew?" question. Not that his answer matters.

I have lost all respect for his analysis.
Hm, well this is a very interesting post. I was going on about how I thought Ted's attitude was based on his desire to seem more professional and less of a homer. I have now re-evaluated that opinion.

I generally have very little use for sports commentary but I like to listen to it because sometimes, when sports is all I'm thinking about, I like to have it on in the background. But I just don't take any of it seriously....these people don't affect ANYTHING. Stuff like this is why I grow increasingly annoyed with it.
 
MoLewisrocks said:
I had to exit my car so I missed his answer to Felgers flabbergasted followup "Do you thing they could have won with Drew?" question.
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He said he didn't know if they would have won with Drew.
 
Willie55 said:
After hearing Ted tonight, it came to my mind also that the Pats let him gracefully bow out before he was cut.

It occured to you because he said something about the Patriots that you didn't like. Of course you're going to think that. I seriously doubt it's true though.
 
Willie55 said:
After hearing Ted tonight, it came to my mind also that the Pats let him gracefully bow out before he was cut.

I don't buy that. I think Tedy's situation scared the bejesus out of TJ. I think he decided to get out before something happened to him - possibly in part because he didn't feel he was being paid (= appreciated = respected) nearly enough to continue sustaining the risk. I recall he was not the most positive person when it came to Tedy's ability to return to football at all, let alone this season - let alone productively. He likely thought BB would not give Tedy back his job anyway (sorry, couldn't resist).

I think it was easy for Ted to watch the early season struggles and have the guys backs as they floundered. After all they were floundering without him, and his name was mentioned almost as much Tedy's as Biesel and Johnson got run over, around and through. He talked about how the coaches were facing dumbing down the system because replacements throughout the defense weren't getting it and basically weren't executing. That was his subtle knock on the BB can plug in any player theory. And he also slipped in a little criticism regarding BB's stubborness relative to the 3-4 vs. 4-3, letting it be known players preferences weren't being accounted for.

Then all of a sudden Tedy came back. And Richard returned. And gradually things started to improve. First they stopped the run. Then they started pressuring QB's. When that improvement - and some personnel changes - trickled into the secondary and reached the point where his peers in the media began typically overstating the improvement (they're back....), I think it annoyed him to the point that he felt obligated to throw a little cold water on any renewed happy talk about a threepeat. I just sense a hint of bruised ego in that talk beyond his trying to sound like an impartial analyst. I believe he admires BB on some level, but I also think the genius coaching talk aggravates him almost as much as Flutie talk aggravates Felger.

I also think the way Lobel and Co. fawned all over him from the get go got into Ted's head a little. And don't kid yourself - they saw a way to keep an existing inside source inside that locker room - with a press pass.

Early guest shots aside, we'll see how far his analyst career goes. There are very few who maintain an income without developing an edge or an act - football analysis is entertainment for the most part nationally. DeOssie used to be great on WBZ radio's Sunday Sportspage program. Then he moved up to WEEI and CBS-4 (which netted him other gigs and endorsement deals and lucrative business ventures). Even Jaws, who used to be so insightful on ESPN, is now morphing into one of those staccato delivery buffoons who throw around opinions they couldn't possibly justify when they were breaking down actual game tape as the basis of their opinion.

If he knows what's good for him, and his career, TJ better start praying the boys get back to the dance without him. Otherwise somebody else's retired LB will be getting all the guest analyst air time come Detroit.

And thank God at least one genius in that locker room knew that we wouldn't have won with Drew.
 
Are you sure it was TJ and not Felger? Cuz Felger was all over it.
 
Ted Johnson =the most overrated player in recent Patriots history.

A totally one dimensional run stopper, he had 2 years with over 65 tackles.

He was carried by the Pats for years while contributing little.

I always wondered how someone could rip the bicep from the bone, an injury so freakish I've never heard of anyone else doing it, then do the SAME THiNG on the other arm.

Reportedly it was because he "worked out" so hard. Things that make you go hmmmm.
 
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The need for becoming another media darling and the quest for ratings brings out the worst in ex-athletes.

While I was a fan of #52, thought he had lost a step in the last year or 2, he seems to forget all the lost games he had when he had torn muscles etc. earlier in his career. He was part of a system and played well in that system, he was taken care of by this franchise and now he will play to the ratings game.
 
RayClay said:
Ted Johnson =the most overrated player in recent Patriots history.

A totally one dimensional run stopper, he had 2 years with over 65 tackles.

He was carried by the Pats for years while contributing little.

I always wondered how someone could rip the bicep from the bone, an injury so freakish I've never heard of anyone else doing it, then do the SAME THiNG on the other arm.

Reportedly it was because he "worked out" so hard. Things that make you go hmmmm.

Interesting....what was once a "great guy" and real attribute to this team that will be sorely missed is now all of the sudden a one dimensional player and roid head. You people are unreal.
 
huskeralk said:
Interesting....what was once a "great guy" and real attribute to this team that will be sorely missed is now all of the sudden a one dimensional player and roid head. You people are unreal.
Unreal is quoting one person's opinion and making a judgement on the whole community based on it. I for one, disagree with RayClay on this.
 
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