Tankathon

[Love The Drake]

I would think so, your theory could be right. I can see a scenario where he got to 300 wins, he gets them the high pick for for the top QB, whoever they deem that is, he has his succession in place and he rides off into the sunset. Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, whoever it is.

Yes, yes, I know... WHAT ABOUT SHULA? Everything the guy has stood for has been team first. It's a players game. Now, here at the end, it's about his personal record? I can see him being uncomfortable about that. I can see him being all Eff Shula too. I really think Halas was the one he respected and wanted to eclipse. I don't think it's black and white, I think there's layers to it.

Question comes down to pulling something like this Kraft and Bill would have to have incredible trust and respect for one another.

If Bill stays I want Mcdaniels back.

 

[Steve102]

Question comes down to pulling something like this Kraft and Bill would have to have incredible trust and respect for one another.

If Bill stays I want Mcdaniels back.

If Bill stays... I would want a GM, and that won't happen. If it did, and they put a new GM in, nothing would change anyway, everything would still go thru Bill, so...

The more likely scenario is Mayo is HC, Bob is OC and Steven is DC, with a GM. From there, there's a couple different ways to go:

1) Draft Daniels/Maye/Williams high, spend FA and draft on O talent, fill in as needed on D, and hope the QB develops.

2) Draft Harrison R1. Sign Cousins, Tannehill or Mayfield. (Mayfield yuck) Draft McCarthy, Penix, Nix or Ewers R2 and pray that one of them is NFL level. Fix OL. Status quo on D. This to me seems the most likely quick fix. Mayfield is probably the cheapest and least desirable option, but offers the most roster flexibility, cap wise.

3)Trade down from 2-3 to 10-12, gain multiple high round picks over 2024 and 2025. From there, take best OT. Follow steps in #2.

 

[VrabelJr]

If Bill stays... I would want a GM, and that won't happen. If it did, and they put a new GM in, nothing would change anyway, everything would still go thru Bill, so...

The more likely scenario is Mayo is HC, Bob is OC and Steven is DC, with a GM. From there, there's a couple different ways to go:

1) Draft Daniels/Maye/Williams high, spend FA and draft on O talent, fill in as needed on D, and hope the QB develops.

2) Draft Harrison R1. Sign Cousins, Tannehill or Mayfield. (Mayfield yuck) Draft McCarthy, Penix, Nix or Ewers R2 and pray that one of them is NFL level. Fix OL. Status quo on D. This to me seems the most likely quick fix. Mayfield is probably the cheapest and least desirable option, but offers the most roster flexibility, cap wise.

3)Trade down from 2-3 to 10-12, gain multiple high round picks over 2024 and 2025. From there, take best OT. Follow steps in #2.

Option 3 makes the most sense to me, though the two OTs I want won't be there at 10-12 so maybe trade back to 5-8.

 

[The Brandon Five]

I'm so annoyed we won that bills game.

Imagine how the Bills feel

 

[KCSVEN]

If Bill stays... I would want a GM, and that won't happen. If it did, and they put a new GM in, nothing would change anyway, everything would still go thru Bill, so...

The more likely scenario is Mayo is HC, Bob is OC and Steven is DC, with a GM. From there, there's a couple different ways to go:

1) Draft Daniels/Maye/Williams high, spend FA and draft on O talent, fill in as needed on D, and hope the QB develops.

2) Draft Harrison R1. Sign Cousins, Tannehill or Mayfield. (Mayfield yuck) Draft McCarthy, Penix, Nix or Ewers R2 and pray that one of them is NFL level. Fix OL. Status quo on D. This to me seems the most likely quick fix. Mayfield is probably the cheapest and least desirable option, but offers the most roster flexibility, cap wise.

3)Trade down from 2-3 to 10-12, gain multiple high round picks over 2024 and 2025. From there, take best OT. Follow steps in #2.

I think you nailed the scenarios regardless of who is there. I hope they go outside for an offensive minded coach.
If BB leaves, he'll likely get another job and he takes Steve with him.

It all comes down to how the Patriots rate the QB's:
If you conclude Maye or Williams are legitimate franchise QB talent you have to take Option 1.
If you believe none of them are that great, you can Draft Harrison and go with Option #2
If you feel Daniels or someone else is close to Maye/Williams you can trade down and do Option #3.
All comes down to what they conclude about Maye/Williams.

 

[Steve102]

Option 3 makes the most sense to me, though the two OTs I want won't be there at 10-12 so maybe trade back to 5-8.

It's the most Belicheckian thing, to do this. Trade down, stockpile picks, sign a starter ready vet QB, eschew the game changing WR for the safe pick; an OL player. It fixes the OL situation, but does not address the long term QB situation. You let Mac sit and rot under a FA QB, then he walks as your back up. Essentially, you kick the can down the road, band aid the QB for a few years with a FA and hope the next franchise guy is available to you in the draft while the vet is here.

@KCSVEN is right, if they believe the next franchise QB is there in 2024, you take him now while you have the high pick.

EDIT: Which, in my conspiracy prone mind, is why they are tanking under Bill. They believe that guy is there this year.

 

[VrabelJr]

It's the most Belicheckian thing, to do this. Trade down, stockpile picks, sign a starter ready vet, eschew the game changing WR for the safe OL player. It fixes the OL situation, but does not address the long term QB situation. You let Mac sit and rot under a FA QB, then he walks as your back up. Essentially, you kick the can down the road, band aid the QB for a few years with a FA and hope the next franchise guy is available to you in the draft while the vet is here.

@KCSVEN is right, if they believe the next franchise QB is there in 2024, you take him now while you have the high pick.

I agree if we really feel that QB is there we take him. My eyes tell me there isn't much difference from Williams and Maye who could be huge busts to Nix, Penix, Daniels, and maybe Ewers. Better to stock pile the picks and try and get 2-3 blue chip players at foundational positions.

 

[Steve102]

I agree if we really feel that QB is there we take him. My eyes tell me there isn't much difference from Williams and Maye who could be huge busts to Nix, Penix, Daniels, and maybe Ewers. Better to stock pile the picks and try and get 2-3 blue chip players at foundational positions.

I am all in on Ewers and McCarthy. I have not watched enough of Nix, Penix or Daniels to know if they are, but everything I read points to Daniels being a franchise guy.

 

[Love The Drake]

McCarthy is very solid but doesn’t have that star factor that Maye and Williams ooze.
Isn’t Ewers staying?
I really like him as my third or fourth Qb out of those listed.

 

[Steve102]

McCarthy is very solid but doesn’t have that star factor that Maye and Williams ooze.
Isn’t Ewers staying?
I really like him as my third or fourth Qb out of those listed.

Well, the last guy they took from Michigan didn't have that star power...yet... and that worked out ok. I think Ewers has leaked he'll stay, only because he will be a higher pick if he does. If he's dominant in the SEC in 2024, he could be a very high R1 pick. I also think if he goes out and dominates vs Washington and then in the National championship, he will likely move way up the draft board, as will McCarthy if he does the same. Ewers has Arch Manning behind him, I can imagine the Manning family helping Ewers pack his bags and get out so their kid can play.

Williams melting down and crying in his mother's arms does not make me all warm and fuzzy as the next face of the franchise. Maybe I am giving that too much influence on my opinion. I know he's just a 22 year old kid, and I know the last guy they took from Michigan was prone to crying about dropping in the draft, and that worked out too. Glad I am not a GM.

I really like the chip on the shoulder aspect, and a QB drafted 1-2-3 isn't going to have that, which is kinda why I like the swagger of Harrison in R1 and then the vet FA QB. We have not seen that aspect of play here since Randy left. It would be fun to have a confident or ****y WR that really is the **** instead of WRs who simply are ****.

 

[NFL Mystique]

If Bill stays... I would want a GM, and that won't happen. If it did, and they put a new GM in, nothing would change anyway, everything would still go thru Bill, so...

The more likely scenario is Mayo is HC, Bob is OC and Steven is DC, with a GM. From there, there's a couple different ways to go:

1) Draft Daniels/Maye/Williams high, spend FA and draft on O talent, fill in as needed on D, and hope the QB develops.

2) Draft Harrison R1. Sign Cousins, Tannehill or Mayfield. (Mayfield yuck) Draft McCarthy, Penix, Nix or Ewers R2 and pray that one of them is NFL level. Fix OL. Status quo on D. This to me seems the most likely quick fix. Mayfield is probably the cheapest and least desirable option, but offers the most roster flexibility, cap wise.

3)Trade down from 2-3 to 10-12, gain multiple high round picks over 2024 and 2025. From there, take best OT. Follow steps in #2.

Draft OT & risk not getting MHJ or Maye?

When there I a generational receiver, I think you can't pass that up.

 

[Steve102]

Draft OT & risk not getting MHJ or Maye?

When there I a generational receiver, I think you can't pass that up.

There is a lot of holes there, and if there's a generational OT (Ogden, Boselli, Pace) then you can go that route. That will allow you to load up with other talent later in the draft or in future drafts. Maybe Fashanu, Alt or Fuaga? I dunno, I have not studied the OTs coming out at all.

Harrison looks the part of generational, but you'd better get him Cousins/Tannehill/Mayfield so he hits the ground running, and you'd better get him proper coaching.

Again, it's just 3 different scenarios of how it could be done. It's not an exact science. I can see all three scenarios and I think #2 is the fastest to respectability, but it doesn't fix the OL. Maybe it's enough and the D stays healthy to compete with Miami for the AFC East? I think if you go #1, then you are more like 2-3 years out, but if you hit on that franchise guy, you're set for years.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Does the SOS change each week. Thus, tallied at the end of the year. For instance, losing to a likely 7 or 8 loss Buffalo team would now be beneficial vs if they-Bills, had maybe only three losses. Because now Buffalo is considered "worse." Correct?

Standings of top three are the same right now. Bears are definitely getting the first pick. The concern now are teams with four wins and a lesser SOS like Bears, Giants, Washington, and Jets. The last two in particular look absolutely dreadful. They play each other in a few weeks.

Having Bill could almost be "bad" in the finale if the Jets/Patriots are tied in losses. He owns them. They might have a worse QB room. Losing that could be a "killer."

 

[Joey007]

Does the SOS change each week. Thus, tallied at the end of the year. For instance, losing to a likely 7 or 8 loss Buffalo team would now be beneficial vs if they-Bills, had maybe only three losses. Because now Buffalo is considered "worse." Correct?

Standings of top three are the same right now. Bears are definitely getting the first pick. The concern now are teams with four wins and a lesser SOS like Bears, Giants, Washington, and Jets. The last two in particular may not win another game.

Having Bill could almost be "bad" in the finale if the Jets/Patriots are tied in losses. He owns them. They might have a worse QB room. Losing that could be a "killer."

Are you saying both have already decided forfeited their matchup against each other in a few weeks?

 

[NFL Mystique]

Are you saying both have already decided forfeited their matchup against each other in a few weeks?

They both look like they won't win another game.

Washington will probably win that game. So the good news is one of them are guaranteed to win. The bad news is a loss is guaranteed for one.

 

[Joey007]

They both look like they won't win another game.

Washington will probably win that game. So the good news is one of them are guaranteed to win. The bad news is a loss is guaranteed for one.

I don’t disagree. Those are probably the biggest concern for losing out of the 4 win teams - whoever loses that game.

Curious to see how tiebreakers fall after that.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Joey007]

Jets and Bears win today. Very good for the tank.

 

[Santi]

We've just got to lose out, can stuff the Jets on the last game if we're locked as 2nd pick by then.

Cards the worrying one, can't see them winning any game outside the bears.

 

[Joey007]

We've just got to lose out, can stuff the Jets on the last game if we're locked as 2nd pick by then.

Cards the worrying one, can't see them winning any game outside the bears.

Cards are a much better team now with Murray. I could even see them surprising the Seahawks week 18.

Commanders are the team that worries me the most. Jets game is the only one I can see them winning, unless Dallas is resting starters week 18.