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How much should Belichick consider these character issues of its players in its consideration of building a 53 man roster.

Even if Bolden and Cunningham are clean now, it seems that there is a future risk of suspension (greater than other players). Might Belichick simply choose to move on to Blount and Benard?

With regard to Dennard, Belichick already has him playing with the second team. Surely, we need to prepare for time without him.

MY BOTTOM LINE

If Blount and Benard are close, I would say goodbye to Bolden and Cunningham. Keeping marginal players with risks isn't worth a roster spot.

Dennard was a known risk from the beginning. Given that he is a starting quality player, the pats have reasonably announced that he will stay with the team. He is clearly worth keeping, even if only plays a few games.
 
As much as I want nothing but good guys on the team for several reasons (they're easier to root for, there's less of a chance of a guy getting in trouble with the league or the law, etc.), the NFL simply will never be a group of choir boys. I know that's not what you're suggesting. But what I'm saying is that there are always going to be character risks. The key is figuring out which ones to take on and which ones to pass on.
 
BB puts more emphasis on it that I would.
 
I am asking for folks' personal opinions and opinions on how Belichick might factor in these issues. I think that I know how Kraft feels about the issue and how Belichick has acted in the past.

As much as I want nothing but good guys on the team for several reasons (they're easier to root for, there's less of a chance of a guy getting in trouble with the league or the law, etc.), the NFL simply will never be a group of choir boys. I know that's not what you're suggesting. But what I'm saying is that there are always going to be character risks. The key is figuring out which ones to take on and which ones to pass on.
 
I am asking for folks' personal opinions and opinions on how Belichick might factor in these issues. I think that I know how Kraft feels about the issue and how Belichick has acted in the past.

I think they should build their core group with high character guys like Brady, Mayo etc., your going to have to take some chances to build a good 53 man roster though, the risk is worth the reward in some cases.
 
Is the risk worth the reward in the cases of Cunningham, Bolden and Dennard? Are there other patriots that should be considered in this discussion?

I think they should build their core group with high character guys like Brady, Mayo etc., your going to have to take some chances to build a good 53 man roster though, the risk is worth the reward in some cases.
 
Is the risk worth the reward in the cases of Cunningham, Bolden and Dennard? Are there other patriots that should be considered in this discussion?

I see, your talking specifically, I was talking in general, Id keep Dennard and Bolden I'm on the fence. generally speaking though I think regardless of what Bob Kraft said and what BB said in his presser and especially what the mediots say I keep doing what they're doing. If Ahern did these things he's suspected of he's a sociopath and sociopaths fool everyone, that's what they do, not sure anyone could sniff that out ahead of time. A talent like Dennard is worth taking a chance on and I'm glad they didn't succumb to media pressure and cut him.
 
How much should Belichick consider these character issues of its players in its consideration of building a 53 man roster.

Even if Bolden and Cunningham are clean now, it seems that there is a future risk of suspension (greater than other players). Might Belichick simply choose to move on to Blount and Benard?

With regard to Dennard, Belichick already has him playing with the second team. Surely, we need to prepare for time without him.

MY BOTTOM LINE

If Blount and Benard are close, I would say goodbye to Bolden and Cunningham. Keeping marginal players with risks isn't worth a roster spot.

Dennard was a known risk from the beginning. Given that he is a starting quality player, the pats have reasonably announced that he will stay with the team. He is clearly worth keeping, even if only plays a few games.

From what I've heard Blount has bigger character concerns then Bolden.

LeGarrette Blount?s work ethic a major problem in Tampa Bay | ProFootballTalk

NFL draft: Months after his infamous punch, former Oregon Ducks RB LeGarrette Blount hopes he has dispelled character worries for NFL teams - ESPN

LeGarrette Blount denies he orchestared parking lot beating | National Football Post

Running back LeGarrette Blount led attack, beaten Bucs fan says | Tampa Bay Times
 
Three kinds of risks:

1. That the guy won't be permitted to be on the field. (Suspension, prison, whatever.)

2. That he'll mess up the locker room with his character/personality.

3. That he won't perform well himself, due to work ethic or whatever.

#1 & #3 are just like risks due to injury, talent, whatever. Approaching them with the sensibility of an accountant -- well, it makes sense.

#2 is the tricky one.
 
I think that every player pretty much needs to be assessed on an individual basis, as cliche as that may sound.

In other words, we may very well end up with a player or two who falls under the "questionable" category on the 53 man roster, but the upside for those players is likely still worth it--especially if their salary is cheap and reasonable.

If we start cutting marginal players just due to the fact that they have been in some sort of drama or trouble, it will surely affect our talent on at least some level as every NFL team has the same problem to deal with.

I am personally hoping that Belichick strictly leaves it to who can play better than who at this point in time. Your idea may be a good one if/when a certain player is tied neck in neck with another player. Then other things like past suspensions etc may be considered.

One thing to add though....I don't think that Belichick would still have anyone around if he didn't believe that they had fully learned their lesson and are buying all in to the idea of moving on and looking forward, so there's a chance that this issue may not play as much into things as we may believe.
 
I don't want wife beaters on the team. I don't want guys who committed and were convicted in acts of violence by means. If crimes were committed as a juvenile he has to be clean for 3 years. I do not want guys who don't care.

DUIs I dont care, Fist fights I don't care. Pot I don't care. PEDs I don't care. I want their contracts to reflect this risk. I don't care if the guy is an ass, as long as he tries on the field.
 
IMO you gotta take some risks, if you look at the players who are allegedly criminals on this team it is about a 1.1% rate(Dennard), and as stupid as what he did was might be explained as an addictions issue, which is a completely different issue.

Go back to the 70's when there was less media, and the stories of cocaine and marijuana use was rampant.. stories of Mack Herron walking down the street with a garbage bag full of weed was essentially ignored. Now the press focuses on anything that happens with this team...

Youth is wasted on the young, and unless you get 90 programmed robots there will always be some players on the "fringe".. the issue is what happens to those guys, the only way anyone would have known about some of Hernandez shenanigans may have been that they would have put a security detail on him 24/7 which is impractical and probably a violation of his personal rights..

If I were BB I would keep taking reasonable risks...
 
Getting rid of Bolden is foolishness.

Foot cream can contain substances that will get you banned in the NFL. Bolden has tested positive 1 time with no other trouble on or off the field.

Hes younger and more upside than Blount. The Pats put him on the 53 in 2012 rather than the practice squad because he would be gone in a heart beat.
 
I agree with BB when he says that each player will be judged on a case by case basis.

I think Dennard gets another bite of the apple. There was nothing in his background that indicated a problem player prior to the punching incident. His DWI will get him suspended by the NFL for 4 games. He should get his ass out of Lincoln and never return as perhaps the cops have it in for him.

This is a change from my original knee jerk reaction a couple of weeks ago when I said the Patriots should cut him..
 
How much should Belichick consider these character issues of its players in its consideration of building a 53 man roster.

Even if Bolden and Cunningham are clean now, it seems that there is a future risk of suspension (greater than other players). Might Belichick simply choose to move on to Blount and Benard?

With regard to Dennard, Belichick already has him playing with the second team. Surely, we need to prepare for time without him.

MY BOTTOM LINE

If Blount and Benard are close, I would say goodbye to Bolden and Cunningham. Keeping marginal players with risks isn't worth a roster spot.

Dennard was a known risk from the beginning. Given that he is a starting quality player, the pats have reasonably announced that he will stay with the team. He is clearly worth keeping, even if only plays a few games.

I don't think that any of us can possibly know enough about the three players you name (Bolden, Cunningham and Dennard), or any players for that matter, to give a clear answer to your question.

Like most of us, I completely missed what was "really" going on with Hernandez, who, it turns out, is, if the authorities in several jurisdictions are right, responsible for multiple homicides. So, it is idiotic for me or anyone to think we know what might or might not be "really" going on with other players.

As close as I can come to answering your question is that there have been, among others, two mainstays of the Patriots' success over the last 13 years. However, those two mainstays both brought with them clearly identifiable downsides and the inevitability that, at some point, the Patriots would have to "pay the piper."

The first mainstay is a willingness to take risks on players out of a firm conviction that there is enough veteran leadership in the lockerroom to keep guys with discipline or attitude issues in line. That worked very well in several noteworthy cases like Dillon and Moss. However, that particular piper has now demanded to be paid in the person of Aaron Hernandez.

The second is a conviction that the Patriots organization is about building a team around a cadre of strong players and not about paying up for "stars" (beyond Brady and Wilfork at this point). Based on that conviction, the Patriots let Wes Welker go rather than pay the relatively small differential between the deal that Welker wanted and the deal they were willing to sign. In the meantime, injuries and criminal charges have resulted in the possibility that none of Tom Brady's top targets from last year (with the possible exception of Gronk) will be available on opening day. Another piper is, after many successful years, now asking for payment.

My bottom line is that the Patriots really have no choice but to continue with the strategy that worked so well throughout the Belichick Brady era.

The Patriots' strategy was and is a solid strategy, but with well-known risks, which have now come home to haunt them. That doesn't mean that the strategy was or is bad; it just means that, eventually, a team that follows it will have to take the bad with the good and pay the price. That looks like it's happening now, but the strategy has sure given us 13 great years and will possibly give us yet others before Belichick and Brady ride off into the sunset.
 
I think BB tries to build a high character locker room filled with guys that live and breath football.

And because of that, he can afford to take the occasional gamble on a less than stellar low character - high skills type guy.

In determining which of these type guys to bring in, I think BB needs to look at all the factors, but in my mind 1 thing sticks out more than all the others.

Do these character risk guys prefer their posse over hanging out with teammates or family/friends outside of the structured football environment, especially in the evenings.

The guys that come back from character issues build a support structure away from football that supports them. Does who don't, usually fallback to their posse and continue to find more trouble.

I know it is not that black and white an issue, but it seems that a vast majority of the time,when you peel back the onion, the bad decisions usually involve the athletes posse.
 
fair enough

I would definitely add Mankins, Mayo and Gronkowski to the list of stars that we are willing to pay for.

At one point the team chose to elevate Hernandez to "star" status instead of Welker. As you said, now we must pay the piper.

The second is a conviction that the Patriots organization is about building a team around a cadre of strong players and not about paying up for "stars" (beyond Brady and Wilfork at this point). Based on that conviction, the Patriots let Wes Welker go rather than pay the relatively small differential between the deal that Welker wanted and the deal they were willing to sign. In the meantime, injuries and criminal charges have resulted in the possibility that none of Tom Brady's top targets from last year (with the possible exception of Gronk) will be available on opening day. Another piper is, after many successful years, now asking for payment.

My bottom line is that the Patriots really have no choice but to continue with the strategy that worked so well throughout the Belichick Brady era.

The Patriots' strategy was and is a solid strategy, but with well-known risks, which have now come home to haunt them. That doesn't mean that the strategy was or is bad; it just means that, eventually, a team that follows it will have to take the bad with the good and pay the price. That looks like it's happening now, but the strategy has sure given us 13 great years and will possibly give us yet others before Belichick and Brady ride off into the sunset.
 
Weren't there questions about the off field behavior of Ryan Mallett, how did that work out?? So far so good...
 
so far so good

We've had a backup we've never used for a 3rd rounder. What a huge success!

Weren't there questions about the off field behavior of Ryan Mallett, how did that work out?? So far so good...
 
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