DRAFT DAY DISCUSSION So Peter King tell us how you really feel

[Dirk3601215]

Re: So Peter King tell us how you really feel.

People still take King seriously?

That horse left the barn a long time ago.

 

[Real World]

Re: So Peter King tell us how you really feel.

Who cares what Peter King thinks? He obviously has no clue since he feels James Sanders is irreplacable. Sanders is a mediocre player, and more of a rotation guy than a bonafide starter on a championship caliber team.

 

[Synovia]

Re: So Peter King tell us how you really feel.

As for grading the draftees before they put on pads-ridiculous. How many of these draftees do the Pats have space for on their roster? Four? Five? Some will make the practice squad, and a couple may have minor trade value. .

Generally, not many, but I wouldn't be surprised to see 8 or 9. I think we're gonna have a big shakeup, and a lot of backup guys are gonna lose their jobs.

The 4 2nd rounders and 2 third rounders are guaranteed to make the team unless they show up and look absolutely terrible.


I think a lot of the backup lineman are going to be gone, replaced with younger guys with more upside. Yates and Britt, I'm looking at you.


I think Ingram makes the team as the long snapper. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hochstein as the official FB to make some roster space for another OLineman.

 

[Jackson 2]

Apparently King didn't like the Pat's draft:



Abram Elam key to New York Jets-Cleveland Browns NFL draft deal - Peter King - SI.com

A few things:

1.) If was well publicized that the Pats looked to get into the top 10 (King reported it and may be feeling burned because his scoop didn't coem true), but either they couldn't, the player they were targetting were gone, or they weren't trying that hard. All the other reports said the Pats didn't like the quality of players in the late first round. He told the NFL Network that he didn't like the draft. So why wouldn't he trade down.
2.) My guess is that Patrick Chung is starting over Sanders by the end of the year. I don't remember who said it, but someone on the TV this weekend said he could be the next Troy Polumalu. Granted that is setting high expectations, but I don't think the Pats feel that James Sanders is the guy they want starting at SS for the next 5 years and they always like to have three solid safeties.
3.) Considering how both ESPN and the NFL Network seemed to be gushing over the Patriots picks and even scanning the message boards of our league competitor's site were praising most of the Pats' second round picks, I really doubt the picks were met with shrugs around the league.

I think King was expecting the Pats to make a huge splash in this draft by trading into the top 10 and possibly trading into the first round for a second time. When the Pats clearly showed they weren't thrilled with this draft, I think King was shocked. That is the only thing I can think of because he seems to mischaracterize several things.

One of my best friends has contended for years that sports reporters are nothing more than people just like all of us who are interested in the games, but they get paid to write their opinions. At one time I scoffed at that assessment. I no longer do, and Peter King is a prime example of why I no longer do.

 

[CrazyDave]

Peter King is an old hen.
A gossip queen.

 

[TrueBeliever]

To Peter King, I say the same thing I said to people who were pissing and moaning in the chat room on Saturday - "You really think you know more than the guy who won three Super Bowls in four years?"

 

[efin98]

Re: So Peter King tell us how you really feel.

King lost sight of who is actually in there at the positions...

Sanders and Spann cost them at least one game last year with his defense. Most big plays against the Patriots last year had either of them involved in some fasion. They need someone to come in with an immediate impact to get those guys back in line or else they find a new job elsewhere.

They are thin at cornerback, the market isn't there for corners this year. They need someone else to bolster the postion especially when they have only two guys with more than three seasons at the positon. If they cut somoene it will be Richardson but even then I doubt they do it.

They are clearly aged at linebacker and need guys who can come in to bolster them. Ruud, Redd, Guyton, and Woods are playing for their contracts with the team- any of them slip and they could be gone. Drafting guys who can come in to replace them is a good thing especially when most of the backups are UDAs.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Re: So Peter King tell us how you really feel.

The funny thing is that other than ILB, I felt SS was the Pats biggest need going into the draft over CB or ILB or O-line. I like Sanders, but I am not sold on him as Harrison's replacement. He is more of a good rotational guy who can play both safety position and can start if he has to.

I agree with you. I've said this about King before, so I'm not jumping him now because of an article. It's just that King is one of the worst writers in the business and always has been. Even when he praises the Patriots, he is so often wrong about the facts.

There are good folks at their professions, and King is not one of them, and never has been in my humble opinion.

The Patriots do not have alot of talent at the safety position. They had one player at safety with enough upside to some day be a Pro Bowler (Merriweather). Now they have two. Sanders will look better rotating in. The fact that he is 25 is NOT a reason not to draft another safety. Maybe King thinks the team is better off with two safeties close to 200 LBS each. Chung was 212 at the combine BEFORE entering an NFL weight lifting program. He'll probably play closer to 220.

 

[hwc]

Chung already looks like he's been on an NFL weight program. He is ripped.

It's amazing to me that anyone could think that having two safties on the roster is enough. Think how many defensive packages are used these days. Heck, there are entire games where a defense stays in nickle or dime. You sure better have a safety who is stout against the run in those packages or you'll get draw played to death.

I don't even think in terms of starters. I think in terms of a group of corners, a group of safeties. Lord knows, most of them are going to be starters at some point during a 19 game season.

 

[PushnPencils]

I was in CT today listening to FAN and he was gushing about Sanchez.

As a supposed columnist.....i'm sure the Pat's draft was "UNINSPIRING".

The pats draft was filled with good players but nothing worth writing one of his over-sensationalized columns about.

To him....this guy is Brady...without the talent and accomplishments....playing in the largest media market in the US.

Now that's news baby....that's inspiration.

No offense to Peter.....Tyrone McKenzie is an inspiration......not some west coast douche bag who's eventually gonna get eaten alive by the NY media anyway.

 

[RayClay]

I didn't read the whole thread, so sorry, if I repeat a reply.

So we were only going with two safeties? We traded Hobbs. Plus BB uses DBs in all sorts of ways. Plus, Meriweather and Sanders are small, Chungs a knock out artist.

Have another triple Frappucino tubby.

 

[jcdavey]

according to a guy who works for the chargers, one of his boston writer friends said BB was very upset that we took english at 16

 

[CrazyDave]

never know.
I was a bit surprised myself, English is a pretty interesting player.

 

[hwc]

according to a guy who works for the chargers, one of his boston writer friends said BB was very upset that we took english at 16

Makes sense. The Boston sports writers are really good at knowing what Belichick is thinking even when he doesn't say anything.

 

[jcdavey]

Makes sense. The Boston sports writers are really good at knowing what Belichick is thinking even when he doesn't say anything.

yeah lol the writer that casey pearce was talking to, maybe was just blowing sunshine up his ass, who knows, i just thought it was interesting, i guess we'll never know unless bill confirms it lol

 

[Sicilian]

yeah lol the writer that casey pearce was talking to, maybe was just blowing sunshine up his ass, who knows, i just thought it was interesting, i guess we'll never know unless bill confirms it lol

I think it's so hard to know which of BB's interests are real and which are smokescreens. Still, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were hoping English would be there at 23 and Chung still at 34. When English went off the board, they traded down and got value. Makes as much sense as anything.

 

[hwc]

I think it's so hard to know which of BB's interests are real and which are smokescreens. Still, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were hoping English would be there at 23 and Chung still at 34. When English went off the board, they traded down and got value. Makes as much sense as anything.

Makes sense except that, in his interview on NFL Network an hour before the draft started, Belichick all but said he would be moving back out of the #23 spot.

The Pats took a bad deal (according to the value chart) to get out of #23, taking a 5th instead of the 3rd the chart suggested. It's pretty clear that Belichick had little interest in targeting anyone for first round money in this draft. The PFW boys said that the Pats top graded players on their board had second round grades this year.

 

[Jackson 2]

according to a guy who works for the chargers, one of his boston writer friends said BB was very upset that we took english at 16

"We"? Can you describe your involvement?

 

[cartmen]

Re: So Peter King tell us how you really feel.

The funny thing is that other than ILB, I felt SS was the Pats biggest need going into the draft over CB or ILB or O-line. I like Sanders, but I am not sold on him as Harrison's replacement. He is more of a good rotational guy who can play both safety position and can start if he has to.

he said all that on EEI yesterday clarified that while "uninspired" it was useful and they were looking for one good first pick and when that wasnt there it made more sense to move down cause they dont need 10 spots they need 3 maybe 4 and this was a safe move by them