So...Cleveland sucking...about their 3rd round pick...

[Gumby]

Nope. If Mack plays over 80% of his snaps at Atlanta then Cleveland will get a third round compensatory. No offense, but most experts -- who have an almost 100% hit rate in the past years -- are saying the same thing about Mack.

Everything you Said is correct, but. . .

The thing is the nyjfl has kept the exact formula for these comp picks a secret and there have been a couple discrepancies from projections from time to time. So, what are the odds Go-to-hell walks down the hall and says 'whatever you do, Cleveland doesnt get higher than a 4th'?

Sure it will look wrong, but will BSPN spend more than 2 secs investigating something that hits the Pats? Yeah, right, "just move along nothing to see here" will be media motto for the day.

 

[Urgent]

What happens if Collins signs with Cleveland?

Irrelevant.

Summarizing some points previously made:

Wouldn't the Patriots get a 3rd round comp pick anyway for losing Collins?
No. Not necessarily.
First, it would be a 2018 3rd, not a 2017.
Second, it would require that the Patriots have a net loss of qualifying unrestricted free agents.
Third, it would require that Collins is one of the ~5% highest-paid players in the league, and if he ended the year as a part-time player - and an angry part-time player - there is no guarantee some team would pay him that much.

Cleveland stinks. Is our pick getting better?
No. It's the compensatory pick, around #103, not their third.

What is the condition in the conditional pick? What if Collins doesn't play a lot?
All reports say the condition is that Cleveland receives a 3rd round compensatory pick, not the performance of Collins. If Cleveland does not receive a 2017 comp 3rd then it reverts to a 2018 fourth round pick. It's odd because the Patriots still have another penalty coming from the stupid deflategate league shenanigans, so the Patriots don't want to accept a high fourth-round pick they would have to lose. Sort of odd that they couldn't get a 2017 late third or a 2018 early third, or a 2018 fourth and sixth or something. That would be a more normal trade. Time value of money and all that.

 

[luuked]

Everything you Said is correct, but. . .

The thing is the nyjfl has kept the exact formula for these comp picks a secret and there have been a couple discrepancies from projections from time to time. So, what are the odds Go-to-hell walks down the hall and says 'whatever you do, Cleveland doesnt get higher than a 4th'?

Sure it will look wrong, but will BSPN spend more than 2 secs investigating something that hits the Pats? Yeah, right, "just move along nothing to see here" will be media motto for the day.

While all of that tinfoil stuff might happen I still will give the benefit of the doubt to the guys who have been successfully projecting those picks for years.

 

[Gumby]

While all of that tinfoil stuff might happen I still will give the benefit of the doubt to the guys who have been successfully projecting those picks for years.

Tinfoil hat? Ok, what happened to the penalty/pick for revis poaching by the jesters?

Fair enough to say you dont think it will happen ( i am thinking 50-50). but please dont call me a conspiracy theorist when we have 10 years of evidence (revis being just 1 datapoint) that Pats get treated different by Go-to-hells' League than other teams.

 

[deroc5050]

The pick is not much value for what we lost.. and really had very little to do with why Jamie is gone. We most likely could have received a solid 3rd round pick if we shopped him to a contender.

I am not hating on the decision just saying the pick is whatever.. we basically cut collins.

 

[supafly]

The pick is not much value for what we lost.. and really had very little to do with why Jamie is gone. We most likely could have received a solid 3rd round pick if we shopped him to a contender.

I am not hating on the decision just saying the pick is whatever.. we basically cut collins.

I agree with your line of thinking. I think it was more about moving on than it was receiving a good draft pick. We've certainly seen that before with guys like Merriweather.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I'm not sure what the debate is over whether its a 3rd or 4th - basically the trade was just to get Collins out of town and on a team that was not a threat a few months early - but still being able to retain the compensatory pick had they kept Collins on the roster for the rest of the season

The Pats don't gain or lose anything in the picks department. They get whatever they would have gotten had he stayed on the roster and Cleveland gets BB doing them a nice favor with a rent a player for a few months