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There is a fine line between curbing destructive, socially irresponsible behavior, and whipping up frenzy of moral righteousness.

When Goodell first announced the 1 year suspension for Jones, I was totally on board and frankly somewhat relieved. Pacman is unapologetic and remorseless, thoughtless, entirely prepared to involve in whatever. The Las Vegas fight, shooting, which resulted in one guy paralyzed... clearly someone needs to hold Jones responsible for his actions. And the pattern of behavior is the thing that's most damning.

But watching ESPN yesterday, I was left with the vague impression that a line had been crossed, where the media was losing sight of the issue. John Clayton had a piece, and listening to him in isolation you'd think Jones's problems were escalating because:

1) He went to a strip club
2) He was caught speeding
3) He drove without a driver's license

Have we lost sight of the problem here? If you're trying to send a clear message to Jones and to football fans, it seems like we've regressed more than a bit from "shootings" to "speeding".

My criticism, I guess, is that Clayton should have limited himself to using the strip club and speeding without a license as signs that Jones wasn't holding himself to his own self-imposed rules for conduct. Instead it seemed to me that these actions were being positioned as morally reprehensible in themselves, as if to say, "here's more of the same from Pacman".

To me, Clayton missed the mark-- at worst those are stupid actions which show a lack of judgement and will, given the situation, but not at the same level as getting arrested for brawling. Going to a strip club isn't even borderline illegal. Perspective, John, please!
 
There is a fine line between curbing destructive, socially irresponsible behavior, and whipping up frenzy of moral righteousness.

When Goodell first announced the 1 year suspension for Jones, I was totally on board and frankly somewhat relieved. Pacman is unapologetic and remorseless, thoughtless, entirely prepared to involve in whatever. The Las Vegas fight, shooting, which resulted in one guy paralyzed... clearly someone needs to hold Jones responsible for his actions. And the pattern of behavior is the thing that's most damning.

But watching ESPN yesterday, I was left with the vague impression that a line had been crossed, where the media was losing sight of the issue. John Clayton had a piece, and listening to him in isolation you'd think Jones's problems were escalating because:

1) He went to a strip club
2) He was caught speeding
3) He drove without a driver's license

Have we lost sight of the problem here? If you're trying to send a clear message to Jones and to football fans, it seems like we've regressed more than a bit from "shootings" to "speeding".

My criticism, I guess, is that Clayton should have limited himself to using the strip club and speeding without a license as signs that Jones wasn't holding himself to his own self-imposed rules for conduct. Instead it seemed to me that these actions were being positioned as morally reprehensible in themselves, as if to say, "here's more of the same from Pacman".

To me, Clayton missed the mark-- at worst those are stupid actions which show a lack of judgement and will, given the situation, but not at the same level as getting arrested for brawling. Going to a strip club isn't even borderline illegal. Perspective, John, please!

I didn't see Clayton's piece but don't quite understand your point. When I heard about Jones getting caught speeding and driving without a license, I concluded that this guy has absolutely no control over his own actions. It's pretty significant in the context of what has gone on before -- he did break the law while at the same time appealing his suspension. His going to a strip club while under a microscope for character issues was just stupid, but casts further doubt on how serious he is about cleaning up his act. These things might be to "a lesser degree," but it really is more of the same from Pacman Jones.
 
It's Just Pacman being Pacman
 
Its called stirring the pot. That is all espn is good for now in days. They are not a legit sports sports network anymore.

I agree with this assessment 100%. You are dead on accurate with it! :rocker:
 
I didn't see Clayton's piece but don't quite understand your point. When I heard about Jones getting caught speeding and driving without a license, I concluded that this guy has absolutely no control over his own actions. It's pretty significant in the context of what has gone on before -- he did break the law while at the same time appealing his suspension. His going to a strip club while under a microscope for character issues was just stupid, but casts further doubt on how serious he is about cleaning up his act. These things might be to "a lesser degree," but it really is more of the same from Pacman Jones.

Well said. The "more of the same," I think, is in the context of not taking any of this seriously or maintaining any discipline about his own conduct. He couldn't even keep his nose clean long enough to have his suspension reviewed.
 
.... He couldn't even keep his nose clean long enough to have his suspension reviewed.

Originally Posted by Tunescribe
.... Jones getting caught speeding and driving without a license, .... this guy has absolutely no control over his own actions. .... -- he did break the law while at the same time appealing his suspension.


Yup.
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But watching ESPN yesterday, I was left with the vague impression that a line had been crossed, where the media was losing sight of the issue. John Clayton had a piece, and listening to him in isolation you'd think Jones's problems were escalating because:

1) He went to a strip club
2) He was caught speeding
3) He drove without a driver's license

Have we lost sight of the problem here?
No, you are just looking at an old issue. Gotta keep up, rook!

Pacman was suspended for a year for off-field behavior. The suspension could be lifted after 10 games if he does certaint things:
- stay clear of the law and doesn't get into trouble
- attend team counseling
- other things, I'm sure. He agreed to a midnight curfew, for one.

Three weeks into the one year suspension, he has broken the law, missed a team counseling session and violated the curfew, and he did these things days before he was to attend an appeal of the year suspension.

Add this to the fact that the night before his orginal suspension hearing, in which he promised to amend his behavior and turn his life around, he went to a strip club. If you recall, it was his actions in a strip club that precipitated the hearing in the first place.

Speeding and driving without a license after midnight is jsut dumb. But it is idiotic when reinstatement to your multi-million dollar job requires that you stay out of trouble.

That is the news item. Before the speeding/driving without a license incident, the question was: Will Pacman serve the entire sentence, or will he reform and get the lesser 10 day sentence.

The question now is: Will pacman play in the NFL ever again?

That sounds pretty newsworthy to me.

This guy has the self-control, self-restraint and moral turpitude of Maurice Clarrette, and look where he is.
 
Going to a strip club isn't even borderline illegal. Perspective, John, please!

Going to the strip club was not the problem. The problem was when Pacman suddenly decided to have his men throw thousands of dollars in ones onto the stage. When the girls went to pick up the cash, duh that's what strippers do, Pacman then got angry and had his men take back the cash. There's also the matter of the shooting in relation to that incident. Umm yeah. Please, Pacman is no choir boy. He's also rather stupid. Who in their right mind does NOT expect a stripper to pick up cash that you throw at them??
 
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Going to the strip club was not the problem. The problem was when Pacman suddenly decided to have his men throw thousands of dollars in ones onto the stage. When the girls went to pick up the cash, duh that's what strippers do, Pacman then got angry and had his men take back the cash. There's also the matter of the shooting in relation to that incident. Umm yeah. Please, Pacman is no choir boy. He's also rather stupid. Who in their right mind does NOT expect a stripper to pick up cash that you throw at them??

I think they meant going to a strip club the night before meeting with Goodell, not the strip club where the shooting took place-two different strip clubs
 
This guy has the self-control, self-restraint and moral turpitude of Maurice Clarrette, and look where he is.


I was thinking more along the lines of Lawrence Philips. Clarette, after all, was being blackmailed by Israeli gangsters, so it clearly wasn't his fault.
 
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