Patriots Daily News Thread Saturday Patriots News Thread 8/10

[palialka]

As wolf has been excellent IMO.. the one thing I'm confused on is the OT spots... we have guys there but seemingly no one they are convinced with. At this point there is no player out there that's a savior. Go with the best 5... AVP will run the rock and running the rock is the best thing to help the o line and unlock the offense.

I agree with you on this; besides a good running game always opens up the passing game.

Wolf has been very open about building this team through the draft. I think this is the best model to build for long term, sustained success; however, it does take 2-3 drafts to bear fruit depending on how many holes need to addressed. I’m really interested to see how Wallace develops throughout the season. Regardless, we’ll draft an OT high in next year’s draft so we have bookends to protect our QB for years to come. The other benefit to that is we can keep Onwenu at RG where he excels.

We all knew going into the draft that the team’s main weaknesses were on offense and Wolf did exactly what he needed to do…he drafted a QB, WRs and OL all within the first 4 rounds of the draft. He even addressed a developmental QB which we also needed.

Teams almost never allow quality starting OTs to hit FA so that was a pipe dream some posters had on this forum. There weren’t any OTs in FA worthy of investment. T. Smith is going to be for the Jets this season what Rodgers was last year. I read that he’s averaged playing 8 games a season the last 4-5 years…NO THANK YOU.

We tried hitting on the WR FA market but missed because the Pats just aren’t an attractive option right now. We need to starting winning before premium FAs want to come here…that’s the bottom line.

Anyways, here’s to a season of steady improvement

Sorry for my novel!

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree with you on this; besides a good running game always opens up the passing game.

Wolf has been very open about building this team through the draft. I think this is the best model to build for long term, sustained success; however, it does take 2-3 drafts to bear fruit depending on how many holes need to addressed. I really interested to see how Wallace develops throughout the season. Regardless, we’ll draft an OT high in next year’s draft so we have bookends to protect our QB for years to come. The other benefit to that is we can keep Onwenu at RG where he excels.

We all knew going into the draft that the team’s main weaknesses were on offense and Wolf did exactly what he needed to do…he drafted a QB, WRs and OL all within the first 4 rounds of the draft. He even addressed a developmental QB which we also needed.

Teams almost never allow quality starting OTs to hit FA so that was a pipe dream some posters had on this forum. There weren’t any OTs in FA worthy of investment. T. Smith is going to be for the Jets this season what Rodgers was last year. I read that he’s averaged playing 8 games a season the last 4-5 years…NO THANK YOU.

We tried hitting on the WR FA market but missed because the Pats just aren’t an attractive option right now. We need to starting winning before premium FAs want to come here…that’s the bottom line.

Anyways, here’s to a season of steady improvement

Sorry for my novel!

Not a novel at all. I love that post. Good material it's well spoken and you hit on everything. Mayo said today what we all know once we get back to winning and getting the roster set we will be a destination again

 

[Real fan 02]

I’d love to hear an analysis of how you judge wolf to be excellent.

We had a 4 win team with 100,000,000 of cap space to work with. Where do you see significant improvement? Wouldn’t there have to be significant improvement to say the GM did a great job? Which moves did he make that were excellent in your opinion?

Wolf and Mayo identified core players they wanted to retain.. to be part of the culture loving forward. The improvement was at least drafting a QB to be developed and signed a veteran to at least be serviceable and not an embarrassment like last season. Nothing is a finished product of course..

 

[Ring 6]

Wolf and Mayo identified core players they wanted to retain.. to be part of the culture loving forward. The improvement was at least drafting a QB to be developed and signed a veteran to at least be serviceable and not an embarrassment like last season. Nothing is a finished product of course..

Retaining players from a 4 win team and not adding anything if significance when you have a cap space bonanza wouldn’t be what I call excellent.
Every team gets draft picks. No one knows whether they used them effectively or not. The manager to bring in possibly the only qb out there with a lower ypc and TD% and 18-30 w/l than the guy they dumped. Hardly excellent.
It doesn’t seem they really started yet, much less finished.

Are you saying an excellent job by the gm of a 4 win team is to keep status quo and a journeyman mediocre qb and show up for the draft and make picks while leaving 40,000,000 of cap unspent?

 

[Real fan 02]

Retaining players from a 4 win team and not adding anything if significance when you have a cap space bonanza wouldn’t be what I call excellent.
Every team gets draft picks. No one knows whether they used them effectively or not. The manager to bring in possibly the only qb out there with a lower ypc and TD% and 18-30 w/l than the guy they dumped. Hardly excellent.
It doesn’t seem they really started yet, much less finished.

Are you saying an excellent job by the gm of a 4 win team is to keep status quo and a journeyman mediocre qb and show up for the draft and make picks while leaving 40,000,000 of cap unspent?

Considering it's the 31st out of 32 teams ranked yes I do. You have to retain your good players and build around them through the draft and FA. So with that being Considered also Kraft was going to spend as they were 29th in spending.. now they are in the top half of the league.

Hard for me to nit pick knowing the teams rebuilding.. we've been rebuilding since 2019. Let's see how this season goes. We have a championship level defense and 90% of the issue was offense. Getting the offense to be middling and you can probably be more competitive.

 

[DaBruinz]

As wolf has been excellent IMO.. the one thing I'm confused on is the OT spots... we have guys there but seemingly no one they are convinced with. At this point there is no player out there that's a savior. Go with the best 5... AVP will run the rock and running the rock is the best thing to help the o line and unlock the offense.

We'll agree to disagree about Wolf being excellent. WOLF is the one who made the decision to bring in JJ Smith-Schuster instead of keeping Meyers. Especially when JJSS wasn't healthy.

Wolf also made the decisions on the trades to bring in Lowe and Wheatley. Wheatley is IRed again. Lowe hasn't attained JAG level yet.

While I agree on bringing in Okorafor, there are questions about Wallace. Yes, he practiced daily at LT in college because he was LT2, but he hadn't taken snaps there. He saw snaps during the 1st game at both LT and RT, but against 2nd stringers, how much does it really tell you?

There is also the whole B'OB / KLEMM debacle from last season.

I hated that Wolf stayed at 3 and didn't trade down to get either Jefferson or Darrishaw along with both of Minnie's picks.. You want to talk about re-vamping the O pretty quickly, that's how you do it. You get a Franchise OT or WR in the trade, add the other piece in the draft and add a QB while you're at it.

A QB without an adequate line.. well.. we've seen those results the last 2 years.

 

[borg]

We'll agree to disagree about Wolf being excellent. WOLF is the one who made the decision to bring in JJ Smith-Schuster instead of keeping Meyers. Especially when JJSS wasn't healthy.

Wolf also made the decisions on the trades to bring in Lowe and Wheatley. Wheatley is IRed again. Lowe hasn't attained JAG level yet.

While I agree on bringing in Okorafor, there are questions about Wallace. Yes, he practiced daily at LT in college because he was LT2, but he hadn't taken snaps there. He saw snaps during the 1st game at both LT and RT, but against 2nd stringers, how much does it really tell you?

There is also the whole B'OB / KLEMM debacle from last season.

I hated that Wolf stayed at 3 and didn't trade down to get either Jefferson or Darrishaw along with both of Minnie's picks.. You want to talk about re-vamping the O pretty quickly, that's how you do it. You get a Franchise OT or WR in the trade, add the other piece in the draft and add a QB while you're at it.

A QB without an adequate line.. well.. we've seen those results the last 2 years.

Paying $19 mill/year for a guard, the team's highest paid non QB ever ......

 

[Real fan 02]

We'll agree to disagree about Wolf being excellent. WOLF is the one who made the decision to bring in JJ Smith-Schuster instead of keeping Meyers. Especially when JJSS wasn't healthy.

Wolf also made the decisions on the trades to bring in Lowe and Wheatley. Wheatley is IRed again. Lowe hasn't attained JAG level yet.

While I agree on bringing in Okorafor, there are questions about Wallace. Yes, he practiced daily at LT in college because he was LT2, but he hadn't taken snaps there. He saw snaps during the 1st game at both LT and RT, but against 2nd stringers, how much does it really tell you?

There is also the whole B'OB / KLEMM debacle from last season.

I hated that Wolf stayed at 3 and didn't trade down to get either Jefferson or Darrishaw along with both of Minnie's picks.. You want to talk about re-vamping the O pretty quickly, that's how you do it. You get a Franchise OT or WR in the trade, add the other piece in the draft and add a QB while you're at it.

A QB without an adequate line.. well.. we've seen those results the last 2 years.

Good post! Definitely with you there. But I have to disagree on juju...Bill was on board with that decision as he chose to sign juju for his YAC ability and chose not to re up Myers over a million dollars.

Bill was still the GM making, and having final say on all personnel decisions. The collaboration approach was in respect to drafting.

 

[DaBruinz]

Good post! Definitely with you there. But I have to disagree on juju...Bill was on board with that decision as he chose to sign juju for his YAC ability and chose not to re up Myers over a million dollars.

Bill was still the GM making, and having final say on all personnel decisions. The collaboration approach was in respect to drafting.

There was a recent article that said that Bill was NOT on board with bringing in JuJu. That Bill wanted to keep Meyers. Bill did not have full authority in 2023. That also came out.. Which is why he wasn't the one who brought back B'OB.

 

[Real fan 02]

There was a recent article that said that Bill was NOT on board with bringing in JuJu. That Bill wanted to keep Meyers. Bill did not have full authority in 2023. That also came out.. Which is why he wasn't the one who brought back B'OB.

I saw that article. Curran mentioned Bill still had all say, and final say on roster related decisions. Bill chose not to pay Hopkins, and extend Parker. Bill chose to sign juju over paying Myers, as Myers said himself it was over a 1 million dollars thst he didn't resign. Remember Bill also signed reiff and Chris board.

On Billy O. Curran mentioned Bill wanted to keep Patricia, but was open to Billy O returning as they had a great relationship.

Bill reportedly did not give Billy O full autonomy with the offense.