"San Diego will be watching this all week long"

[italia44]

I'm watching a replay of the Pats/Jets on the NFL network(it's also on at 10:30 p.m.tonite).

After the long TD pass to Cotchery,which gave the Jets a 10-7 lead,Brian Boldinger(a former Jet) interjected an analysis of this play.

He analyzed that the Patriots were in a 2 deep zone,with 5 dropping underneath and 4 rushing on the line of scrimmage.

Cotchery was in the slot,uncovered,with ILB Vrabel,responsible for dropping into a deep zone,
to initially cover Cotchery.

The problem,Baldinger says,is that neither of the Patriots ILB's(Vrabel and Bruschi)are fast enough to drop into this deep a zone,and that the Patriots lack speed also at safety.

Whether the defense was supposed to bump the slot receiver at the line of scrimmage,he doesn't say,however he did finish by saying:

"San Diego will be looking at this play,all week long"

I thought it was an on-target analysis,that we didn't get from the CBS guys,during the game.

Also,I thought I saw BB heatedly talking to Dean Pees after this play.

Does anyone remember that occurring?

 

[Mack Herron]

Our ILBs and FS lack speed, no doubt. That is why they have to take the proper drops and be in the right positions, which they did not do on the play in question. But Vrabel and Hawkins are smart. They will not make that mistake again. Sure SD will try to exploit the middle of the defense, and players like Gates will make his plays. But don't look for another hook and 45 YAC. Not gonna happen.

 

[Fanfrom1960]

I'm watching a replay of the Pats/Jets on the NFL network(it's also on at 10:30 p.m.tonite).

After the long TD pass to Cotchery,which gave the Jets a 10-7 lead,Brian Boldinger(a former Jet) interjected an analysis of this play.

He analyzed that the Patriots were in a 2 deep zone,with 5 dropping underneath and 4 rushing on the line of scrimmage.

Cotchery was in the slot,uncovered,with ILB Vrabel,responsible for dropping into a deep zone,
to initially cover Cotchery.

The problem,Baldinger says,is that neither of the Patriots ILB's(Vrabel and Bruschi)are fast enough to drop into this deep a zone,and that the Patriots lack speed also at safety.

Whether the defense was supposed to bump the slot receiver at the line of scrimmage,he doesn't say,however he did finish by saying:

"San Diego will be looking at this play,all week long"

I thought it was an on-target analysis,that we didn't get from the CBS guys,during the game.

Also,I thought I saw BB heatedly talking to Dean Pees after this play.

Does anyone remember that occurring?

I saw that (BB heatedly talking to Dean Pees) after a play but don't remember what play it was. However, that was the worst Patriots defensive play of the game, by far, so I'm guessing that was it.

 

[Flying Fungi]

I'm watching a replay of the Pats/Jets on the NFL network(it's also on at 10:30 p.m.tonite).

After the long TD pass to Cotchery,which gave the Jets a 10-7 lead,Brian Boldinger(a former Jet) interjected an analysis of this play.

He analyzed that the Patriots were in a 2 deep zone,with 5 dropping underneath and 4 rushing on the line of scrimmage.

Cotchery was in the slot,uncovered,with ILB Vrabel,responsible for dropping into a deep zone,
to initially cover Cotchery.

The problem,Baldinger says,is that neither of the Patriots ILB's(Vrabel and Bruschi)are fast enough to drop into this deep a zone,and that the Patriots lack speed also at safety.

Whether the defense was supposed to bump the slot receiver at the line of scrimmage,he doesn't say,however he did finish by saying:

"San Diego will be looking at this play,all week long"

I thought it was an on-target analysis,that we didn't get from the CBS guys,during the game.

Also,I thought I saw BB heatedly talking to Dean Pees after this play.

Does anyone remember that occurring?

I don't explicitly recall the Pees-Belichick interaction, but I'd imagine that they were both pissed after that play. Vrabel missed the initial contact and the timing of the route was perfect--a good call and execution for the NYJ. Poor execution by Vrabel and then the deep coverage.

What I would guess is happening at our end, is a defensive look is being devised to show that same vulnerability, to bait Cameron/Rivers into attacking a disguised coverage.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Baldy had a nice analysis of the play, Vrabel may not have dropped deep enough, but I know Hawkins overran the play inside. I'm not too concerned about team speed against the Chargers, other than LT and Turner, the WRs aren't known as great burners, neither was Cotchery, it just shows that execution makes a huge difference - Jets did, Pats didn't.

 

[italia44]

Baldy had a nice analysis of the play, Vrabel may not have dropped deep enough, but I know Hawkins overran the play inside. I'm not too concerned about team speed against the Chargers, other than LT and Turner, the WRs aren't known as great burners, neither was Cotchery, it just shows that execution makes a huge difference - Jets did, Pats didn't.

Box...did you see BB after this play?

I think it was a blown coverage,the nickle back,was supposed to be head up on the slot receiver.

Also,what will be our coverage,when SD goes 3 wide with LT in the slot.Do we blitz against this alignment or drop 7 into coverage?

 

[Seymour93]

Thanks for the heads up about NFL Replay. I just tuned in and saw the last bit of the game. They just showed Asante's INT. It was pretty smart move by Asante. He saw the safety had his man, so he stopped, turned around and got the inside WR. He happened to be at the right place at the right time. TD.

We need those turnovers to keep on coming. One of the things about last season was we were unusually not creating near enough of them.

 

[italia44]

Thanks for the heads up about NFL Replay. I just tuned in and saw the last bit of the game. They just showed Asante's INT. It was pretty smart move by Asante. He saw the safety had his man, so he stopped, turned around and got the inside WR. He happened to be at the right place at the right time. TD.

We need those turnovers to keep on coming. One of the things about last season was we were unusually not creating near enough of them.

Ironically......this is the "fake" man-coverage scheme developed by Eric Mangini,last year.

Samuels fakes man coverage on the wideout and whirls backwards to jump the route of the "drag"
receiver underneath.

Worked last year for a TD,also.

SHHHHHHH.......Don't tell Schotty and the Bolts.

 

[skri65]

Would that nickel have been Ellis Hobbs?

The nickelback, in general, was mickens for that game. I don't believe i saw anyone lining up with Cotchery in that play?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Box...did you see BB after this play?

I think it was a blown coverage,the nickle back,was supposed to be head up on the slot receiver.

Also,what will be our coverage,when SD goes 3 wide with LT in the slot.Do we blitz against this alignment or drop 7 into coverage?

I remember BB turning to Pees and being animated after the play - not something I get excited about since he's ripped coaches before, then promoted them.

Okay, I've got Baldy up on the DVR, the Jets are in a 4 WR, 2 to each side formation. The nickelback is over the left slot, Vrabel moves down behind Colvin inside the right slot and teases a blitz while looking out at the slot. Vrabes started his drop from 2 yds off the line, inside of the slot behind the RDE. It was a good read by Penny who knew the Safety was staying deep and Vrabel was mismatched on a WR and would be slow getting back off his blitz look. I think both from BB's reaction talking to Pees and what I'm seeing on the screen - the Pats either should have gone "dime" or Vrabel made a bad decision to tease a blitz while being the primary underneath coverage for the right slot WR.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

The nickelback, in general, was mickens for that game. I don't believe i saw anyone lining up with Cotchery in that play?

The poster in question has a thing for CBs who are shorter than his bias allows. This actually includes all the Patriots' CBs - six footer Chad Scott excepted - and has been an ongoing theme with no basis in fact for a very long time.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I think if Vrabel bumps cotchery on that play that at least slows him down enough for a safety to come out and make a play. But he didn't the rest is history. I think BB is well aware of this play and the gameplan will fix that or give it a wrinkle, maybe try to bait Rivers into thinking it's open and it becomes an int for one of our dbs.

 

[jcdavey]

If the Chargers are watching it, as you say, and that is probably a correct assumption, yu can bet your bippy that BB has already seen it a hundred times and has made the adjustments.

the chargers will be watching every play just like the pats will be watching every chargers play

these teams are both very well coached , and great at gameplanning.

i think one thing we really have over NE when we play them is, we make better halftime adjustments.

 

[Ghost of Ben Dreith]

the chargers will be watching every play just like the pats will be watching every chargers play

these teams are both very well coached , and great at gameplanning.

i think one thing we really have over NE when we play them is, we make better halftime adjustments.

I can't disagree with this statement at all on the halftime adjustments. This has been a problem all year. It seems either no adjustments get made or they don't get made until the 4th quarter. This was never the case with Weis/Crennel as we seemed to always make good halftime adjustments. I like Pees and I am still out on Skippy, but since it is on both sides of the line, it is probably coming from Bill. I really am at a loss for this.

 

[patsfaninpa]

Would that nickel have been Ellis Hobbs?

Hobbs played the opposite corner all day NEM. Leave him alone. He's not the reason the play worked. I don't remember C.Scott playing early in the game. I'm surprised we wouldn't have our nickel back on the slot receiver. It was a 3rd and 5. So, we were in nickel. May have been a blown call by secondary. Would leave Vrabel or Colvin to jam te and one of other lb's to pick up rb. Safeties were in two-deep.