Reason Harry was drafted over Brown Samuel revealed.

[TheRainMaker]

100% disagree.

Go back to 2019....week 14...N'Keal is ruled OOB when he scored a TD vs. the Chiefs... a TD ruled there by the official means we don't even need that week 17 game vs. the Dolphins at home to secure a BYE...which meant we would be hosting Houston...or going to Baltimore...and that is with N'Keal Harry.

Whereas A.J. Brown had a 52/1k/8TD rookie season.... dontcha think that would at least have prevented the Snau deal as well...thereby saving us a 2nd rounder...which turned out to be J.K. Dobbins....

So many variables that could have altered the trajectory of the last 5 years..... but yeah...on a basic level I agree...Brady was a goner when we did not extend him in 2017..., but I feel that if we swapped out Harry for Brown, things would have been very different....

A better WR in 2019 certainly gives them the #2 seed at worst. They most likely host KC in the Divisional.

Depending on how far they went in the playoffs, it may have changed the Pats tune on retaining Brady and giving him what he wanted. But even before the season started, he threatened to sit the season if the Pats didn’t remove their ability to franchise tag him at the end of the 2019 season. Brown or Mercalf would’ve had to have a Gronk/Hernandez type impact year 1 for him to stay at that point.

 

[gobesmug]

On that draft night I was literally chanting, "D.K. Metcalf, D.K. Metcalf...." in my living room for a solid 5 minutes before the Harry pick.....

My wife can attest to this.....

Man, that single pick really changed the trajectory of this franchise, IMO.

I was hoping for AJ Brown. He was my favorite WR that draft. I was pissed when Harry was picked over him. I've given up caring about players prior to the draft since then.

Just not worth the heart break lol

 

[Wozzy]

A better WR in 2019 certainly gives them the #2 seed at worst. They most likely host KC in the Divisional.

Depending on how far they went in the playoffs, it may have changed the Pats tune on retaining Brady and giving him what he wanted. But even before the season started, he threatened to sit the season if the Pats didn’t remove their ability to franchise tag him at the end of the 2019 season. Brown or Mercalf would’ve had to have a Gronk/Hernandez type impact year 1 for him to stay at that point.

Brady said on Howard Stern after he announced he was leaving he knew he was leaving by the end of 2018.

His wife wasn't happy, she wanted to live in Florida to be closer to her karate teacher, the Patriots were broke.

It was over... it didn't matter which WR they drafted.

People need to move on with their lives.

 

[Hyped]

So what do you disagree with me about?

At 43 Brady wasn't making his decision to stay/leave based on how a rookie WR did his first year.

Don’t really disagree with anything…was just saying that had we drafted AJ Brown, Brady could have stuck around….we’ll never know.

 

[Hyped]

I was hoping for AJ Brown. He was my favorite WR that draft. I was pissed when Harry was picked over him. I've given up caring about players prior to the draft since then.

Just not worth the heart break lol

And Brown was a Pats fan too!!!!

 

[Lansdowne]

And Brown was a Pats fan too!!!!

Look at how happy how he was to get a signed Brady jersey! Imagine how much happier he would’ve been playing with and catching passes from his hero. What could’ve been.

 

[Wozzy]

Don’t really disagree with anything…was just saying that had we drafted AJ Brown, Brady could have stuck around….we’ll never know.

He wouldn’t have stayed.

Also AJ Brown had a learning curve, he struggled for the first half of his rookie season before putting together a great second half for a rookie.

 

[Steve102]

This is an old topic and Breer already wrote about it back in 2021. His conclusion was that BB was close with Harry’s former coach at ASU, Todd Graham, and went with his input over his scouts.

Bill Belichick reportedly ignored scouts in drafting N'Keal Harry

Last week's comments from Patriots owner Robert Kraft, covered extensively here and on PFT Live, included a blunt and candid assessment of the team's recent failures in the draft.

www.nbcsports.com

On brand. BB valued coachability at this point in his tenure much higher than he used to earlier in his career.

 

[PatsFan2]

whats the point of having scouts…

For the GOAT HC to humiliate them.

 

[Hyped]

He wouldn’t have stayed.

Also AJ Brown had a learning curve, he struggled for the first half of his rookie season before putting together a great second half for a rookie.

N'Keal Harry 2019-2023: 64 receptions, 714 yards, & 5 TDs in 49 games.

A.J. Brown 2019: 52 receptions, 1,051 yards, & 8 TDs in 16 games.

And that was with Tannehill starting from week 7 and onwards.....

Ya don't think Brady would have cooked with Brown more that season?

Harry had 24 total targets that year in 7 games. AB put up 33% (8 targets) in one game as a Patriot, Josh Gordon saw 36 targets over 6 games, Snau saw 47 targets over 8 games (most coming in one game before he tweaked his ankle), even Dorsett saw 54 targets in 14 games (in 7 games that would be 27 targets), and other than those guys...the offense was all James White and Edleman....

With no extension....I think the Patriots would have advanced to the divisional round/conference title game...then Brady isn't so upset and they are able to draft another guy with the Snau 2nd rounder...and Kraft talks Brady into an extension that gives him a lot of upfront money with void years on the back end...and Brady retires a Patriot in 2022......

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Reportedly, that happened to a lot of great coaches as they got older. They just didn't want that kind of challenge anymore. They valued coaches and players that would just do as they ask. It took down Shula in the end, too.

 

[VJCPatriot]

N'Keal Harry 2019-2023: 64 receptions, 714 yards, & 5 TDs in 49 games.

A.J. Brown 2019: 52 receptions, 1,051 yards, & 8 TDs in 16 games.

And that was with Tannehill starting from week 7 and onwards.....

Ya don't think Brady would have cooked with Brown more that season?

Harry had 24 total targets that year in 7 games. AB put up 33% (8 targets) in one game as a Patriot, Josh Gordon saw 36 targets over 6 games, Snau saw 47 targets over 8 games (most coming in one game before he tweaked his ankle), even Dorsett saw 54 targets in 14 games (in 7 games that would be 27 targets), and other than those guys...the offense was all James White and Edleman....

With no extension....I think the Patriots would have advanced to the divisional round/conference title game...then Brady isn't so upset and they are able to draft another guy with the Snau 2nd rounder...and Kraft talks Brady into an extension that gives him a lot of upfront money with void years on the back end...and Brady retires a Patriot in 2022......

Thanks for debunking the constant myths. If 1,051 yards and 8 TDs is considered a "learning curve" for a rookie WR, I'll take that 10/10 times any day! AJ Brown was a stud from the very first season. Brady would have cooked something special with Brown. TB12 made good WRs like Edelman look great, and he made great WRs like Randy Moss look even better, breaking the record books in 2007.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Leaked Story Reveals The Ridiculous Reason Why BIll Belichick Drafted WR Bust N'Keal Harry Over Superstars A.J. Brown & Deebo Samuel In 2019

Bill Belichick once passed on drafting AJ Brown and Deebo Samuel ecause they were having too much fun during a visit to Foxborough.

www.totalprosports.com

fake news. BB values football talent and is not that petty

 

[SammyBlueCat]

N'Keal Harry was not Cat Like Quick

 

[DarrylS]

They should have taken their visit seriously..
But like many things that are written these days relying on what "some guy said".. sounds like ******** to me.

 

[Wozzy]

N'Keal Harry 2019-2023: 64 receptions, 714 yards, & 5 TDs in 49 games.

A.J. Brown 2019: 52 receptions, 1,051 yards, & 8 TDs in 16 games.

And that was with Tannehill starting from week 7 and onwards.....

Ya don't think Brady would have cooked with Brown more that season?

Harry had 24 total targets that year in 7 games. AB put up 33% (8 targets) in one game as a Patriot, Josh Gordon saw 36 targets over 6 games, Snau saw 47 targets over 8 games (most coming in one game before he tweaked his ankle), even Dorsett saw 54 targets in 14 games (in 7 games that would be 27 targets), and other than those guys...the offense was all James White and Edleman....

With no extension....I think the Patriots would have advanced to the divisional round/conference title game...then Brady isn't so upset and they are able to draft another guy with the Snau 2nd rounder...and Kraft talks Brady into an extension that gives him a lot of upfront money with void years on the back end...and Brady retires a Patriot in 2022......

Read what I wrote about Brown, Four of his five 100+ yard games came in the final third of the regular season. Don’t tell me he, and Deebo Samuel for that matter, didn’t improve. Deebo actually got benched for a game early in the season for mistakes.

The notion that Brady would have hung around based on what a rookie did is laughable. The Pats were broke, they entered 2020 with the third most dead cap in the league, they had 12 starters or major contributors that needed to be re-signed including the most expensive position in football. His wife wanted out of town… this is a fever dream.

 

[Wax Frog]

Just like old times...

 

[Wax Frog]

she wanted to live in Florida to be closer to her karate teacher

I'll bet!

 

[borg]

fake news. BB values football talent and is not that petty

Benched Welker for talking toes

 

[Hyped]

Read what I wrote about Brown, Four of his five 100+ yard games came in the final third of the regular season. Don’t tell me he, and Deebo Samuel for that matter, didn’t improve. Deebo actually got benched for a game early in the season for mistakes.

The notion that Brady would have hung around based on what a rookie did is laughable. The Pats were broke, they entered 2020 with the third most dead cap in the league, they had 12 starters or major contributors that needed to be re-signed including the most expensive position in football. His wife wanted out of town… this is a fever dream.

The Pats were broke because Brady left. Had he signed an extension….we would have had enough cap space to NOT pay Cam Newton a million bucks.

And maybe Giselle cuts ties earlier? So many ifs, could as, shoulda, & woulda beens here to make a definitive decision.