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Just a sprinkling of the snipits that are rummaging through my brain:

* I keep hearing about how tough Jax is and how their "physicality" is going to give NE trouble. I chortle to myself almost every time I hear this because playing physical almost never actual works against NE. The Ravens gave NE a hard time this year this way - in a road game that was the 3rd of three straight night games - and the Giants, with a far, far better DL, gave NE some problems. Other than that? Nada. The other teams that gave NE problems did so with a lot more than just being physical.

This is historically the case as well. Pitt gave a beat up NE team some troubles in the Halloween beat-down, but NE took it to them later that same season. I recall the 2004 Ravens game when Baltimore was supposed to "punch NE in the mouth" and run all over them. NE killed that team. Over and over again, NE rises to the occassion when teams supposedly have an edge in making games a "street fight". NE players love that schit. They love that grind and they live for the battle. Sure, you can't let them bully you around if you want to have a chance, but you need to come with more than just being physical.

* Also, with regard to NE being susceptible to the running game, I don't see this as being the case. Sure, NE has allowed a mediocre ypc, but that number is terribly inaccurate when you really look into things. First off, that number is inflated by teams either a) running when the game was out of reach against a NE defense ignoring the run (Miami, Pitt in the second half) or b) teams that NE played almost the entire game in nickle (Indy, Dallas).

Second, go through the list of close games:

Indy, Philly, Bal, NYJ, NYG

Of those games, only Indy and Baltimore really used the run as a primary weapon. And Indy was mostly successful with the run because NE - despite Indy's success - never once had less than 5 secondary players on the field. Only Baltimore was able to run successfully against a NE defense that was trying to stop the run and make a close game out of it. And, again, Baltimore was a road game that happened to be the 3rd of three straight night games. It was THE PASSING GAME that kept the Giants and Philly (and, to a lesser extent, the Jets) in their matchups, not the running game.

Third, alright, so the Ravens ran the ball very successfully in a narrow defeat. The Steelers also ran well (although some late game yardage makes that look worse than it really was) and kept the game close for a half. Who else ran the ball well against the "tired and old" NE defense down the stretch? Philly didn't. The Jets didn't, with the exception of a run or two using the option set. For all the huffing and puffing about the Giants, wasn't Jacobs held to single digits in the first half? Where was this susceptibility against the run again?

* A few other bits and pieces

1) BB has never lost an opening playoff game.
2) NE has allowed scores of 13, 14, 3, 3 and 16 in their opening playoff games.
3) NE has gone to the SB every single season that they opened the playoffs with a bye.

and one last one for Indy's benefit (stolen from footballoutsiders)

4) Only three teams in the history of the league have followed up a championship season by winning more regular season games. All three went on to repeat as champions.
 
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4) Only three teams in the history of the league have followed up a championship season by winning more regular season games. All three went on to repeat as champions.

Since the offensive rule changes in 1977-78, only 6 teams have ever scored twice as many points as they have allowed. They have all won the SB easily, except the St Louis Rams of 1999, who had to sweat it out vs Tennessee. The other teams are:

SF 1984
Chic 1985
Wash 1991
Packers 1996
St Louis 1999
Baltimore 2000

This season the Pats outscored opponents by more than 2:1.
 
Since the offensive rule changes in 1977-78, only 6 teams have ever scored twice as many points as they have allowed. They have all won the SB easily, except the St Louis Rams of 1999, who had to sweat it out vs Tennessee. The other teams are:

SF 1984
Chic 1985
Wash 1991
Packers 1996
St Louis 1999
Baltimore 2000

This season the Pats outscored opponents by more than 2:1.

:rocker:

Keep 'em coming!
 
good post...though I don't tend to put much stock in things like this:

1) BB has never lost an opening playoff game.
2) NE has allowed scores of 13, 14, 3, 3 and 16 in their opening playoff games.
3) NE has gone to the SB every single season that they opened the playoffs with a bye.

and one last one for Indy's benefit (stolen from footballoutsiders)

4) Only three teams in the history of the league have followed up a championship season by winning more regular season games. All three went on to repeat as champions.

those were different teams, with different coaches, different opponents, different situations, etc. the uniforms may be the same (or even just similar ) but the uniforms dont play the games

on the other hand, you could say "give BB 2 weeks to prepare and he'll come up with a great gameplan". thats probably true. when you open with a bye, 2/3 playoff games are after a bye week
 
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Since the offensive rule changes in 1977-78, only 6 teams have ever scored twice as many points as they have allowed. They have all won the SB easily, except the St Louis Rams of 1999, who had to sweat it out vs Tennessee. The other teams are:

SF 1984
Chic 1985
Wash 1991
Packers 1996
St Louis 1999
Baltimore 2000

This season the Pats outscored opponents by more than 2:1.
said another way:

According to Aaron Schatz of footballoutsiders.com, the team with the top Pythagorean record has won the Super Bowl 16 of the last 20 years (this was as of 2005)



the Pats led the league in Pythag wins this year. though, their Pythag wins are actually not the best of all time, even though their Point Differential was the best ever
 
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good post...though I don't tend to put much stock in things like this:



those were different teams, with different coaches, different opponents, different situations, etc. the uniforms may be the same (or even just similar ) but the uniforms dont play the games

on the other hand, you could say "give BB 2 weeks to prepare and he'll come up with a great gameplan". thats probably true. when you open with a bye, 2/3 playoff games are after a bye week

Granted, but when you see a team consistently shut down some very good offenses (with the help of the weather at times) in the first round. It tells me that they historically rise up to another level upon entering the playoffs. With 6 games to base that on, I think there is enough evidence to base a conclusion on.
 
This is like the 2003 game against the Titans. Then, people wondered how the Pats would match up with the physical titans.

The Pats are men. And real men don't whimper when punched in the mouth. They punch back!
 
said another way:

According to Aaron Schatz of footballoutsiders.com, the team with the top Pythagorean record has won the Super Bowl 16 of the last 20 years (this was as of 2005)



the Pats led the league in Pythag wins this year. though, their Pythag wins are actually not the best of all time, even though their Point Differential was the best ever

You can say it that way. I like my way better. 6 out of 6 means 100%.
 
You can say it that way. I like my way better. 6 out of 6 means 100%.

I agree. Doubling up points is not the same as leading in pythag wins. Every year someone leads in pythag wins. Rarely does anyone dominate the league the way NE did.
 
Of those games, only Indy and Baltimore really used the run as a primary weapon. And Indy was mostly successful with the run because NE - despite Indy's success - never once had less than 5 secondary players on the field. Only Baltimore was able to run successfully against a NE defense that was trying to stop the run and make a close game out of it.

The Ravens game is always given as an example of how the Patriots are vulnerable to the run. The Pats played an awful 3rd quarter but otherwise did a very effective job on McGahee.

The one thing I have been disappointed with lately is the Pats focus coming out of halftime. That is usually when they implement their halftime adjustments and take control of the game. Hopefully they can get back to this in the playoffs and make the 4th quarter a little less stressful.
 
Totally agree with your primary point--the Pats have absolutely throttled teams that will supposedly be too "physical" for them. This defense lives for teams like that. Speedy teams, with little guys all over the place on offense? Maybe an issue. Tough, etc.? Please.
 
This is like the 2003 game against the Titans. Then, people wondered how the Pats would match up with the physical titans.

The Pats are men. And real men don't whimper when punched in the mouth. They punch back!

The Titans were the second best team in the league that year, and McNair was (at the time) a better QB than either Manning or Brady.

Frankly, I think the only team with a chance against the Patriots is the Colts. But we shall see, won't we?
 
The Titans were the second best team in the league that year, and McNair was (at the time) a better QB than either Manning or Brady.

Frankly, I think the only team with a chance against the Patriots is the Colts. But we shall see, won't we?

How were they the second best team that year? They lost to both the Patriots (who finished two games ahead of them) and Colts (who swept the season series to win their division). They had the fourth best record in the AFC.
 
How were they the second best team that year? They lost to both the Patriots (who finished two games ahead of them) and Colts (who swept the season series to win their division). They had the fourth best record in the AFC.

They were a better team than the Colts, at least in my opinion... or at least tougher to play. That was a great Tennessee team. People forget how good McNair was in his prime.
 
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The Titans were the second best team in the league that year, and McNair was (at the time) a better QB than either Manning or Brady.

Frankly, I think the only team with a chance against the Patriots is the Colts. But we shall see, won't we?

I don't agree with your McNair sentiment. He was a very good QB just below Brady and Manning's level that rode a wave of positive sentiment to an MVP. In that same season, their backup QB (in 4 games, so the sample was good enough) put up equivalent or better numbers.

I do agree that they had a strong case to be considered the second best team in the league, but McNair wasn't ever the QB people made him out to be.
 
said another way:

According to Aaron Schatz of footballoutsiders.com, the team with the top Pythagorean record has won the Super Bowl 16 of the last 20 years (this was as of 2005)



the Pats led the league in Pythag wins this year. though, their Pythag wins are actually not the best of all time, even though their Point Differential was the best ever
Was one of those Pythag teams that lost the 2001 Rams (lost to N.E.)? They were first in points scored, 7th in points allowed, too lazy to look up the other teams.
 
You know, I forgot to say that I bet, if NE is stewing over anything this week, it isn't Spicer's words, it is the implication within all the analysts predictions that Jax is tougher than they are.

I have the feeling that Seymour's comments are that issue bubbling over the surface a little.
 
Was one of those Pythag teams that lost the 2001 Rams (lost to N.E.)? They were first in points scored, 7th in points allowed, too lazy to look up the other teams.

I believe they were. that 2001 Rams team was great
 
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