Pre Game Thread- Pats @ Browns

[Zuma]

 

[captain stone]

I am not buying for a second you are on Team Zappe until you change your avatar to a Zappe one and renounce all Tom Brady love.

And have him take down those two hot chicks? Not on your life!

 

[venecol]

I am not buying for a second you are on Team Zappe until you change your avatar to a Zappe one and renounce all Tom Brady love.

 

[venecol]

Don't do it Bill!

 

[venecol]

And have him take down those two hot chicks? Not on your life!

They'll be back, lol.

 

[Zuma]

Don't do it Bill!

Zappe ! Nice Av. Now we just need a separate forum.

 

[PScottman]

Slow your roll. Very good against the run, but uncle Dugg has unanswered questions in coverage ability

We have one elite defender on our team and his name is Matt Judon

I posted this in another thread...the "Dugger sucks in coverage" take is not based on fact...

Compare his passing defense numbers against his peers thus far this year below. He stacks up as well or better than many of them (some of whom are considered "coverage" safeties like Fitzpatrick and James)

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(I didn't put Budda Baker in here because he has zero stats in that line for comparison (which as he's also started every game likely means no one has even thrown a pass at his man...if true and not an error, that's pretty damn good.))

Was Dugger completely raw and not very accomplished in coverage when drafted - absolutely. Has he improved his coverage every year?
Yes.

Is he an all-pro yet? Probably not (looks like that'll be Baker if the stats are true and hold), but he likewise is comparable to some S that have been all-pros in the past SO FAR this year.

 

[PScottman]

Chubb & Hunt scare the crap out of me

However I will be back


...and in greater numbers

Bet most here didn't see the Pat Patriot logo etched on the sides of sand people head wraps.

 

[Triumph]

This is a photo of Mac being taken to the locker room after the injury.

Here is Brady after Bernard Pollard blew out his knee.

 

[Triumph]

Dude I don't bow to Buffalo

They're full of themselves

It's amazing how it's passed down through generations

They are good enough to win the Super Bowl.

 

[Ross12]

Kevin Harris is a good back, I think this could be a sign of a run-heavy game plan.

Yeah I am high on him… looked good in preseason outside of the slippery fingers. Hopefully he’s worked on that over the last few weeks. He should be able to take advantage of this weak Cleveland run defense.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

They are good enough to win the Super Bowl.

Yeah they can get there

... again

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[slash83]

Hopefully Guy is good to go this week.

 

[venecol]

Hopefully Guy is good to go this week.

Yea, he was limited which is better than DNP.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Dan Orlovsky from ESPN was on Merloni, Fauria & Mego today and he was asked for his thoughts on the QB situation in New England. Here are some quotes/notes from his interview:

• He believes that Zappe did a great job of not losing the game for the Patriots. He also says that he watched tape and Zappe only really had to make one "NFL throw"(the TD pass to Jakobi). Meaning, the rest of his throws were screens, dump offs, or just hitting his first read quickly.
• He had some high praise of the 2 guards in New England (Onwenu & Strange):
  "I've talked this for a few weeks now... Inside, their two guards, is as good as anyone's in the league"
• When asked about Bill not declaring Mac the starter in his press conference today:
  "Listen, I will be very clear. There is absolutely no shot that Bailey Zappe even sniffs becoming the starting quarterback for the New England Patriots as long as Mac Jones is on the team. That is not a knock to Bailey Zappe. But Mac Jones has the chance to be a very very good longterm NFL pro, and he's proven it."
• "Coach Belichick knows football better than anybody in the history of the planet. I don't think he's sitting there going, 'Well, we played good one game against a team that, right now, is the softest defense in the NFL in Green Bay. And then we played solid offensively against a team that had given up more points and yards than anybody in the NFL. Great. We've got a superstar at quarterback'."
• "There's no reality here that makes Bailey Zappe a threat, or potential person, to unseat Mac Jones"
• "Mac plays significantly faster both physically and mentally. Mac can cancel out things pre-snap in such a short amount of time. He has a way quicker delivery. His ball placement is significantly better... His ability to diagnose post snap movement and coverage... He's elite at this stuff. He's not good at it, he's ELITE at it."
• "While Bailey might do a couple of those things well, or good, certainly in the short body of work that we have of him, we've got a year in the NFL and 2+ years in college of watching Mac do this stuff... there's a reason one was a 1st round pick and one was a... 4th round pick."
• "There's so much physically and mentally that Mac does consistently, at a significantly higher level, than Bailey does"

I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong... BUT the stats this season paint quite the picture:

Mac Jones: 2 TDs 5 Ints 76.2 Passer Rating
Bailey Zappe: 2 TDs 1 Int 104.7 Passer Rating

OK, given that we have a very SMALL sample size it's way too early to draw conclusions.
However in 2022 Zappe is certainly ahead of Mac Jones at this stage of the game.

I feel like this time period in between now and when Mac returns to full health is Bailey's best chance to audition, whether its for the starting job of the Patriots or for another team to convince them he could be their guy.

AKA if we get a QB controversy in New England, it behooves BB to get draft capital out of one of these guys.

 

[captain stone]

Excuse me, I forgot Evan Lazar is the messiah of football. He walks on water around here. Don’t forget to follow him on Instagram.

Suddenly, Uncle Dugg is an “elite” NFL safety. This is amusing. @captain stone

No denying it, that was good coverage on Hockenson shown in that clip; and his down-hill tackling is indeed elite... But, Lazar is a shill for the company now, so naturally he's gonna be pimpin' his fellow employees... Doesn't make him wrong, but it doesn't automatically make him right either... What it does for me is make him no longer worth reading.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No denying it, that was good coverage on Hockenson shown in that clip; and his down-hill tackling is indeed elite... But, Lazar is a shill for the company now, so naturally he's gonna be pimpin' his fellow employees... Doesn't make him wrong, but it doesn't automatically make him right either... What it does for me is make him no longer worth reading.

It was elite coverage on Hockenson. Duggar flips his hips, accelerates, and runs the route better than Hock - reminiscent of Gilmore. This week Duggar has Njoku - a great test in the passing game. We will see, but Duggar looks great even after banging up his knee.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

No denying it, that was good coverage on Hockenson shown in that clip; and his down-hill tackling is indeed elite... But, Lazar is a shill for the company now, so naturally he's gonna be pimpin' his fellow employees... Doesn't make him wrong, but it doesn't automatically make him right either... What it does for me is make him no longer worth reading.

Is he the new Chatham? And will the famous patsfans Chatham group text chat led by Luuked & both bruins be replaced with a lazar run minion brigade

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I posted this in another thread...the "Dugger sucks in coverage" take is not based on fact...

Compare his passing defense numbers against his peers thus far this year below. He stacks up as well or better than many of them (some of whom are considered "coverage" safeties like Fitzpatrick and James)

Kyle Dugger Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

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(I didn't put Budda Baker in here because he has zero stats in that line for comparison (which as he's also started every game likely means no one has even thrown a pass at his man...if true and not an error, that's pretty damn good.))

Was Dugger completely raw and not very accomplished in coverage when drafted - absolutely. Has he improved his coverage every year?
Yes.

Is he an all-pro yet? Probably not (looks like that'll be Baker if the stats are true and hold), but he likewise is comparable to some S that have been all-pros in the past SO FAR this year.

That’s great that he’s improving in coverage