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Julian has really been one of the rocks for our offense this year. A go to guy in a transitional year for the receiving game, where we had to break in several rookies and new faces. Where we lost 1 star TE to jail and another star TE to injuries.

But Edelman was our constant. He is only the 10th wide receiver in franchise history to break the 1,000 yard mark (1,056) and only the 3rd to grab over 100 passes in a season (105).

He isn't big, or a physical freak. But he is constantly getting into the right places, doing the gritty work, and getting the job done. Congrats to Julian Edelman, the 7th round pick who could!!

Julian Edelman reflects, a bit, on breakthrough year for Patriots - Sports - The Boston Globe
 
I used to be pretty indifferent to Edelman, thought was he kind of a d-bag (and that scandal didn't help), but he really stepped up this year. Brady couldn't find anyone to throw to yesterday, and then Edelman was there as his passing rock. He's a gamer, and brings an attitude to an offense and team struggling to find swagger given the injuries woes they have sustained. When he caught that first down pass and threw his arm out in victory, I said to myself, "Pay. this. man." He's a true Patriot.
 
How much do you pay him? He is better than Amendola as a receiver (at least this yr.) and he returns punts and may be the best in the NFL at that skill as well. It will be an interesting decision for the front office.

I'd give him a $10 Mil. signon bonus and a three year contract at $3.5Mil per. For a total deal of $20.5Mil.
 
He's a really good player, very diverse in his talents....turns out many fans were worried about replacing WW, when his replacement was already on the team.....Hopefully the Pats can keep him for a few more years.
 
How much do you pay him? He is better than Amendola as a receiver (at least this yr.) and he returns punts and may be the best in the NFL at that skill as well. It will be an interesting decision for the front office.

I'd give him a $10 Mil. signon bonus and a three year contract at $3.5Mil per. For a total deal of $20.5Mil.

Another team is probably going to give him more than that, though, and the team already have Amendola a nice contract. Edelman has come on nicely and a full, healthy season certainly helped him. We'll more than likely face a couple of pretty decent pass defenses in the playoffs that will certainly key on him. Hopefully the other guys get as healthy as possible during the bye and are ready to step up.
 
Never mind Edelman replacing Welker, he may have just replaced Amendola.
 
Welker only got two years at $12 Mil so I think giving Edelman the $20 Mil all in or so would be enough to keep him? Who knows. I think Amendola is playing at half speed and will have surgery after the playoffs.

Also curious what the Pats do to get TB some more weapons. Dobson looks like he could develop into a decent #2 and Gronk should be back by week 8 or so. Probably need to draft another TE and try to get a #1 WR (again) ~ maybe pay Decker? Takes him away from Manning and gives Brady another tall guy to throw to.

I am guessing they will draft O Line and LB along with a TE.
 
Welker only got two years at $12 Mil so I think giving Edelman the $20 Mil all in or so would be enough to keep him? Who knows. I think Amendola is playing at half speed and will have surgery after the playoffs.

Also curious what the Pats do to get TB some more weapons. Dobson looks like he could develop into a decent #2 and Gronk should be back by week 8 or so. Probably need to draft another TE and try to get a #1 WR (again) ~ maybe pay Decker? Takes him away from Manning and gives Brady another tall guy to throw to.

I am guessing they will draft O Line and LB along with a TE.
Please, stop with the "pay him what he wants" crap. No one has banged the table for Julian Edelman more than I. But let's take a step back on this for a second. The Pats will offer him a huge pay raise, but nothing that gets into the $20MM range. Not for a WR, especially one who has only proved himself for one year. ESPECIALLY a WR.

Lets not forget that we are awash with WR's who have huge upsides in Thompkins, Boyce, and Dobson. Guys who have all flashed the kind of skills that can give us hope that Brady will ride into retirement with the best WR talent since Moss, Branch, Welker and Brown were in their heydays.

Dobson and Thompkins BOTH passed Branch's rookie mark for WR's, and that's DEPSITE each missing 6 or more games, and quite frankly I liked what Boyce showed in his brief opportunity. All 3 can be expected to make big jumps in their 2nd year in this offense. So paying big money to a good but not great WR, who hasn't proven he can remain healthy over the long haul is NOT prudent. I'm thinking a $10-12MM deal with a signing bonus large enough to ensure his financial security (say $4MM) and a few million more in incentives for games played and receptions.

Don't forget we can't pay Edelman for the numbers he put up THIS year. We have to pay him for the numbers he's likely going to get in the next 3 years playing with an improved group of current rookies, a healthy Amendola and Gronk, and a top notch running game that needs to be fed. Baring another set of off the chart multiple injuries, Edelman is never going to get close to the number of targets he got this year.

The unfair fact is, that as long as Tom Brady is the Pats QB, the team would be much better off investing their money into the OL and defense and NOT in overspending in an area that is by far the easiest position to find suitable replacements.

Look at it from BB's POV. He basically lost his top 5 receivers from the previous year and wound up with the exact same record and a playoff bye. Granted the offensive results were down, but who cares. Its only the 12-4 that's important and THAT didn't change. Shouldn't there be a lesson in that. Would it have been any better if it were Welker had gotten the 105 catches and over 1000 yds and Edelman wound up playing in Denver putting his results and giving Denver $5MM more in cap space???

When are we going to learn? A lot of the best WR's in the league play for teams that RARELY make the playoffs. You can't overinvest in a position that isn't critical to wins and losses. Julio Jones is truly a great WR, but the Falcons would have been much better off with a slightly less great receiver and the 5 picks they lost moving up to get him. A single WR is NEVER going to make or break a teams chances to win it all. A QB might, or even a great pass rusher or DLman, but NOT a WR.

I keep trying to preach this message, but sometimes I feel like if falls on deaf ears. We are too often like chicks falling for rock stars, and that's what WR's are... Rock Stars. Lots of hype but easily replaced. If they weren't we all wouldn't be all googlie eyed over a dozen or more guys we can get in the first 4 rounds of the draft come this April, just like last April, and the April before that, etc.
 
Why are people dismissing the possibility of him liking it in New England and giving them a team friendly deal while seeing a decent bump in salary?

Although I guess some are still snake bitten from the whole Welker contract thing.
 
Maybe I was a bit expen$ive in my thinking. I just hope they keep him. I am not sold on the rookie receivers although I hope they continue to improve. I am sold on Edelman having a strong chemistry with Brady and he is a very valuable punt returner as well.

I also echo the thoughts and hope that he gives NE a somewhat hometown discount. It usually takes receivers three years to reach their prime so we'll see what happens I guess but I hope they give Edelman a good contract.
 
I thought Edelman was a unique pick from the start....full of value though....a QB from Kent State!

He's one of the best returners the Patriots have ever had.


Wes Welker went down for the year and Julian stepped up and played great.

Our secondary was depleted and he played some DB! (Troy Brown as well)

He's more intelligent than most of the other drafted receivers we've got over the last few years. I like Vereen too! smart and quick

losing Hernandez, Gronkowski, Woodhead, Welker was awful but Edelman has helped TB deliver efficiently and quickly- the run game has made a big difference too.

Blount was an A+ acquisition.

We're lucky to have Julian- we wouldn't be here if he wasn't
 
Edelman has been our most consistent receiver in 2013. He's also our best punt returner. I think this is a guy you keep so that you can keep the consistency in the offense.

I think something in the range of 5yrs/25m with a decent chunk being upfront bonus money is reasonable. Hopefully the Pats keep him for the future. He has been an even better player for us than Amendola.
 
Please, stop with the "pay him what he wants" crap. No one has banged the table for Julian Edelman more than I. But let's take a step back on this for a second. The Pats will offer him a huge pay raise, but nothing that gets into the $20MM range. Not for a WR, especially one who has only proved himself for one year. ESPECIALLY a WR.

Lets not forget that we are awash with WR's who have huge upsides in Thompkins, Boyce, and Dobson. Guys who have all flashed the kind of skills that can give us hope that Brady will ride into retirement with the best WR talent since Moss, Branch, Welker and Brown were in their heydays.

Dobson and Thompkins BOTH passed Branch's rookie mark for WR's, and that's DEPSITE each missing 6 or more games, and quite frankly I liked what Boyce showed in his brief opportunity. All 3 can be expected to make big jumps in their 2nd year in this offense. So paying big money to a good but not great WR, who hasn't proven he can remain healthy over the long haul is NOT prudent. I'm thinking a $10-12MM deal with a signing bonus large enough to ensure his financial security (say $4MM) and a few million more in incentives for games played and receptions.

Don't forget we can't pay Edelman for the numbers he put up THIS year. We have to pay him for the numbers he's likely going to get in the next 3 years playing with an improved group of current rookies, a healthy Amendola and Gronk, and a top notch running game that needs to be fed. Baring another set of off the chart multiple injuries, Edelman is never going to get close to the number of targets he got this year.

The unfair fact is, that as long as Tom Brady is the Pats QB, the team would be much better off investing their money into the OL and defense and NOT in overspending in an area that is by far the easiest position to find suitable replacements.

Look at it from BB's POV. He basically lost his top 5 receivers from the previous year and wound up with the exact same record and a playoff bye. Granted the offensive results were down, but who cares. Its only the 12-4 that's important and THAT didn't change. Shouldn't there be a lesson in that. Would it have been any better if it were Welker had gotten the 105 catches and over 1000 yds and Edelman wound up playing in Denver putting his results and giving Denver $5MM more in cap space???

When are we going to learn? A lot of the best WR's in the league play for teams that RARELY make the playoffs. You can't overinvest in a position that isn't critical to wins and losses. Julio Jones is truly a great WR, but the Falcons would have been much better off with a slightly less great receiver and the 5 picks they lost moving up to get him. A single WR is NEVER going to make or break a teams chances to win it all. A QB might, or even a great pass rusher or DLman, but NOT a WR.

I keep trying to preach this message, but sometimes I feel like if falls on deaf ears. We are too often like chicks falling for rock stars, and that's what WR's are... Rock Stars. Lots of hype but easily replaced. If they weren't we all wouldn't be all googlie eyed over a dozen or more guys we can get in the first 4 rounds of the draft come this April, just like last April, and the April before that, etc.
There are people who have "banged the table" more than you for Julian Edelman, so let's get that out of the way right now. " When are we going to learn?" About what? When have we overpaid a WR? If your message falls on deaf ears, it's because it should. No one in her/his right mind is suggesting breaking the bank for Edelman. But, letting him go by not offering him a fair deal would be stupid - and BB is not stupid. If Edelman refuses a fair offer, then that's one thing, but I'm betting BB will offer him that fair deal. Anyone thinking this team would even be in the playoffs without Edelman's contributions this year is kidding her/himself.
 
Guys, he is the best punt returner in the history of the NFL, not just one of the best Pats punt returners. The BEST Pats punt returner easily.

Also, I am thinking its going to have to be something like 9mil for 3 with several mil guaranteed.
 
Don't forget we can't pay Edelman for the numbers he put up THIS year. We have to pay him for the numbers he's likely going to get in the next 3 years playing with an improved group of current rookies, a healthy Amendola and Gronk, and a top notch running game that needs to be fed. Baring another set of off the chart multiple injuries, Edelman is never going to get close to the number of targets he got this year.

Huh?

Wes Welker, 2011: 172 targets
Wes Welker, 2012: 174 targets
Julian Edelman, 2013: 151 targets
 
I think something in the range of 5yrs/25m with a decent chunk being upfront bonus money is reasonable. Hopefully the Pats keep him for the future. He has been an even better player for us than Amendola.

I think you're being way too generous with your prediction myself, but we'll have to see. I can almost guarantee that if that's the case, we'll be forced to let Edelman walk. There's no way we can afford to pay both Amendola and Edelman 5+ million AAV for both of them in my opinion.

I think we're going a bit overboard with these kinds of numbers, and that something in the 3m AAV range in much more likely. That will already give him a salary increase of 4x plus. Yes, he has improved each season here, and he's worked hard. Those are traits that Belichick will appreciate, and we all want to see him stay here, but 25 million with "a decent chunk of upfront bonus money" is really on the high end in some people's opinion.

Edelman himself recently referred to having issues with blown routes and blocking assignments a couple of weeks ago, and said that he's still working to be a better player. I think a nice raise of 400% would be more than reasonable considering the circumstances. He is definitely still raw in some aspects, even if he was our leading receiver due to lack of other viable targets. Either way, we all hope like hell that he stays and that some of those teams who have 40-50 million dollars in cap room don't snag him up with an offer like what happened with David Givens; who coincidentally enough received the exact same offer that you're suggesting back in 2005--2006 with 5 yrs/25 million dollars.
 
Huh?

Wes Welker, 2011: 172 targets
Wes Welker, 2012: 174 targets
Julian Edelman, 2013: 151 targets

I'm pretty sure that Ken is saying that it was a bit of a weird year in the sense that we suffered major injuries to both Gronkowski and Vereen, along with bringing in and attempting to develop 3 new rookies.

Let's not forget that there was a 6 game period where Edelman was damn near forgotten about starting at the beginning of October through the middle of November. Obviously, the return of Gronk had a lot to do with that. During that 6 game span Edelman totaled 18 receptions, and I think that falls directly in line with Ken's point.

What are the "real" circumstances with Julian Edelman? Is it that 6 game span where we had more attention focused on our main target in Gronk, where Edelman was on pace to secure 48 catches total over the course of a 16 game season? Or is it the current scenario, where we really have no other options and he ends up doubling that production? There certainly is some grey area, you'd have to admit that the 2013 season has provided a weird sample to try to base things off of.

Any and all of Gronk, Vereen, Amendola, and the new rookies should be assumed to produce much more than they did this year, which would equate to a lessened number of targets and production from Edelman in "normal" circumstances.

The bottom line is that it's highly unlikely that we keep Edelman if another team offers him the kinds of deals that some posters are throwing around, and I would think that you'd also agree with that thinking. Belichick isn't likely to pay both Amendola and Edelman 5+ million AAV, let alone especially due to the fact that he likely envisions less targets for Edelman under regular circumstances. I think we should hope that he decides to keep him for 3 million AAV or so to be honest with you. We all want to keep him, so we'll have to hope that no one swoops in with a better offer, especially if McDaniels ends up in CLE with 50 million in available cap space....wow.
 
I'm pretty sure that Ken is saying that it was a bit of a weird year in the sense that we suffered major injuries to both Gronkowski and Vereen, along with bringing in and attempting to develop 3 new rookies.

Let's not forget that there was a 6 game period where Edelman was damn near forgotten about starting at the beginning of October through the middle of November. Obviously, the return of Gronk had a lot to do with that. During that 6 game span Edelman totaled 18 receptions, and I think that falls directly in line with Ken's point.

What are the "real" circumstances with Julian Edelman? Is it that 6 game span where we had more attention focused on our main target in Gronk, where Edelman was on pace to secure 48 catches total over the course of a 16 game season? Or is it the current scenario, where we really have no other options and he ends up doubling that production? There certainly is some grey area, you'd have to admit that the 2013 season has provided a weird sample to try to base things off of.

Any and all of Gronk, Vereen, Amendola, and the new rookies should be assumed to produce much more than they did this year, which would equate to a lessened number of targets and production from Edelman in "normal" circumstances.

The bottom line is that it's highly unlikely that we keep Edelman if another team offers him the kinds of deals that some posters are throwing around, and I would think that you'd also agree with that thinking. Belichick isn't likely to pay both Amendola and Edelman 5+ million AAV, let alone especially due to the fact that he likely envisions less targets for Edelman under regular circumstances. I think we should hope that he decides to keep him for 3 million AAV or so to be honest with you. We all want to keep him, so we'll have to hope that no one swoops in with a better offer, especially if McDaniels ends up in CLE with 50 million in available cap space....wow.

Amendola playing the slot in place of Edelman during that period is what happened. Edelman was relegated to limited snaps and lining up outside.

Gronk was there against Denver and Houston when he took off again. The reason he took off again is they started featuring him in the slot again.
 
I really don't now if they resign him next year given the 3 rookies will be another year in the system. Unless its very team friendly I can't see a deal.
 
I really don't now if they resign him next year given the 3 rookies will be another year in the system. Unless its very team friendly I can't see a deal.

None of Thompkins, Boyce, and Dobson though can replace Edelman's position. Right now, he and Vereen are splitting the roles formerly taken by Welker and Hernandez. I don't see the rookies being able to do that. So the team really does need to find a way to make such a deal work. Probably a first-round RFA tender starts the process off. (A $3MM commitment for 2014 is by no means unreasonable, and guarantees a first-round pick if anybody else tries to take him.)
 
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