Peyton Manning vrs Joe Montana.

[pazrul72]

I don't need to look at meaningless statistics to determine who is the better QB between Joe Montana and Peyton Manning. I think BB says it best. Stats are for losers. I'll take Montana, just like most people would.

The odd thing about Peyton Manning is that in spite of all the folks who want to throw his name in there as the GOAT, he doesn't even crack the top ten for clutch QBs. If you wanted a QB to lead your team in the biggest game of them all, most people would pick in an order something like this;

Montana, Elway, Brady, Staubach, Unitas, Starr, Stabler, Graham, Young Aikman and Bradshaw. You could also throw in Marino and current QBs like Brees and Rogers and they'd probably rank ahead of Peyton too.

There's also another name that disappears from those type of clutch QB lists beside Manning's. You won't find anyone wanting to put everything on the line with Brett Favre as their QB either.

There are stats and then there are stats. Yes who gives a monkey's behind which QB throws for more yards in the third quarter in the month of September when it is snowing out and the opposing defense is ranked 30th or lower in the league. I will even grant if it was just one stat that manning owns Joe in. It's not. Every single important career stat favors manning. That is important and the only reason I bring it up is for people who base their opinions purely on stats Manning IS clearly superior. Now getting back to my post as I stated several times I do not rely purely on stats and would rather have Montana every day of the week and 100 times on Sundays. There is more to winning football games then how many times you throw for 400 yards and Manning despite his greatness is not as good when it matters most as Montana and Brady. What bothers me is people like you who dismiss what is easily a top 20 QB ever as if he was sanchize. Is Manning the GOAT? Of course not that's just crazy talk but he is IMO top 10 and not giving him respect is uncalled for

 

[Hael]

Again there is an era problem. Manning plays in an era where wrs are getting far more open than at any time in the past. Back in the 80s and 90s, dbs were clawing, bumping and scratching every wr to stay close, and there was much more man to man.

The premium in that era was thus how to fit a ball within a very tight window and so accuracy, timing and having a quick ball release were much more of a premium than today. Also, going through 3 or 4 different receivers in your tree was huge back then, but much less so now. By those standards, Manning is not in the same class as Montana. He's great of course, but not like that.

Today the premium is on reading defenses. Making adjustments at the line to get favorable matchups, and of course arm strength for redzone play and to get the ball to the wide open wr quicker so they have more time to gain an absurd amount of yards. By those standards, Manning is better than Montana.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Peyton Manning has spent most of his NFL career with a stacked offense. He's also had a defense with excellent pass rushers for much of that time, allowing him the luxury of facing teams that must deal with even more adversity once they fall behyind. The notion that Montana had a stacked team but Manning hasn't is absurd.

Montana's a top 5 QB. Manning's a top 9-15 QB. Putting Manning above Montana is insane.

let's not kid ourselves again. colts D were a joke in many of those years. this year's broncos D? another joke.

it's insane to think there is 8 better QBs than manning. lol, that's the biggest joke.

again, Montana is great, but his team was like 07 pats + 00 ravens put together in many years. you put colin kaepernick on those niners team, and he would win multiple championships.

let's there is a QB draft for all QBs. Peyton would be chosen way before montana.

and just think about it. when montana beat elway's broncos it was worse beating than us beating tebow's broncos. 55-10 and was a yawner. IN THE SUPER BOWL. why? because niners were that much better.

think this way. if brady plays inferior team every weak he would be them 9 out of 10 times. it won't be that difficult to beat buffalo bills in the playoffs when you have healthy gronk, and co. and just imagine brady having bruschi, mcginnest, wilfolk, and boys.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

and joe cool also never really had to deal with bad weather that much either.

 

[GaryfromTO]

Is this even a fair question or is Peyton Manning so thoroughly out classed by Joe Montana's achievements that to even mention them together is completely laughable considering Peyton Manning's abysmal post season record?

Further more, if it is a laughable absurdity to compare Peyton Manning against Joe Montana, based on their accomplishments, is it fair to say that Peyton Manning actually piggy-backs on Tom Brady's shoulders into the GOAT conversation due to them being compared as the two best of their generation?

I think that's an interesting point that I never see raised anywhere.

Tom Brady can be compared to Joe Montana.
Montana: 4 Superbowl championships and 16 post season victories.
Brady: 3 Superbowl rings, 5 Superbowl appearances, 17 post season wins.

Peyton Manning.... simply cannot.

Montana: 4 Superbowl championships and 16 post season victories.
Manning: 1 Superbowl Championship, 2 Superbowl appearances, most first round post season eliminations by a starting quarterback.

Peyton Manning leeches his way on Tom Brady into the best of all time discussion.

He really has no business being there at all, and were he not compared to Brady, by virtue of their team and generational rivalry, he wouldn't be in that discussion at all.

Fair statement?

Or can you argue Peyton is in Montana's league without invoking Tom Terrific as a bridge to get him there?

Actually Manning has 2 Super Bowl wins.
just that one of them was for The Saints

 

[1960Pats]

What bothers me is people like you who dismiss what is easily a top 20 QB ever as if he was sanchize. Is Manning the GOAT? Of course not that's just crazy talk but he is IMO top 10 and not giving him respect is uncalled for

I don't think I dismissed him. I merely stated that I preferred Montana, which was the question.

I then offered up a few names that most "experts" believe are more clutch than Manning, so much so that none of them picked him in their top ten, just as they didn't for the last media darling QB, Brett Favre.

I'll give Peyton Manning as much respect as he and his old man gave to the young lady he molested at Tennessee.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Anyone who boasts about MVP awards has a serious problem with logic.
Why don't you add "most media praised" to his resume as well?

MVP's are arbitrary. They're subjective. Their pomp and ceremony.

They aren't championships.

You don't need to overcome the best defense in the league in a 2 minute drill to get an MVP.

It's a meaningless award based on opinion. You could let Patriot fans decide the league MVP and Tom Brady would win it every single season.

Big deal?

Is Kanye West a superior musician to Mozart because he has more grammy awards? lol. Please stop with the MVP's.

I stopped reading after you mentioned MVP because it became evidence after that that your opinion is worthless to me.

mvps are an individual accomplishments. and it is decided by credible people. i love me some brady, but i can't argue his mvp candidacy this year. it's peyton's to lose. why? not only he win games, but he put up stats. i do agree that he stole 1 mvp from drew brees. but he had 13 brady like season that year with better stats. so i can't really fault him for that.

SBs are team accomplishments. seriously. i don't care if brady never wins another SB. IMO, brady is already better than Joe montana. nobody ever considers Terry bradshaw top 5 even though he has 4. nobody ever considers troy aikman top 10 even though he has 3 and played well in them.

yes, SB helped brady's GOAT candidacy. because we are splitting hairs. i would say SB is 20-25% of the argument. Brady hasn't won the SB for how long? but we can all say this brady is much better than the one who won 3SBs. and just look at peyton's team in many of those years. colts were soft as hell. that team also didn't have any business winning 06. we should've won that year. and i just don't think they can win this year. is it his fault? no. i just think broncos are flawed team. if peyton played for seahawks, could he win it all this year? most likely.

SB IS A TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT. THIS IS A FACT. Joe Mo happened to be in a right place at a right time. he is great. i'm not arguing that. but Joe mo was flawed player if you dissect his game. he didn't have the arm like brady. his accuracy is pimped up because of the offense(like drew brees), and he was 6ft 2 and barely 200lb. he would need to gain 15-20lb if he wants to stay healthy in this league. and he was going up against slower and smaller defenses. the size difference between now and mid 80's are substantial. i like the fact both brady and manning are over 6ft 4+. brady is 225lb and he still looks somewhat skinny.

and honestly put russell wilson instead of Joe Mo, i bet wilson would've won multiple SBs too. wilson could be a perfect bill walsh's toy. he is no joe montana, but who knows with that genius coach and jerry rice and that sick defense?

 

[FirstAndGoal]

You either never saw Montana play or you didn't understand what you were seeing... either way, you're lost in delusion and I'm afraid you're stuck there.