Pats win by losing Revis

[n1997y]

This is a good example of the way the Pats do business at a level far above the rest of the NFL. NESN discusses a story by Breer about how Revis might've stayed with the Pats. Breer reports that when the Pats tried to re-sign Revis, "In the end, if the money was close between the Jets and 30 other clubs, it was always going to be the Jets. If the cash was close between the Patriots and 30 other clubs, he’d have picked the Patriots. If the Pats and Jets were close? Anyone’s guess. But it wasn’t close.”

But when Revis came to the Pats, it was a different story. Revis had offers for $16 million-per-year before the 2014 season, but he decided to take $4 million less to sign with the Patriots, according to Breer. “When the Patriots signed Revis, the team wanted a second year on the deal for cap purposes, so the player’s camp asked that a roster bonus be built into in that year to force the club to cut him in time for the start of free agency,” Breer wrote. “The team insisted it be an option bonus. Why? Because with an option bonus, the Patriots would be in line to take home a compensatory pick. With a roster bonus, they’d get nothing. Pretty smart, and it’ll probably give the Patriots an extra third-rounder.”

That attention to detail is what sets the Pats apart. Option bonus vs roster bonus, costs neither party anything in the negotiation or contract, but pays the club back bigtime after the inevitable breakup.



Report: Darrelle Revis Loved Playing For Bill Belichick, Could've Stayed A Patriot

 

[NYPatsFan]

Everyone outside of New England assumes that the Patriots cheat to stay on top. I mean, how else can they remain so good for so long when the league is structured to prevent it from happening? This is how. Belichick is smarter than they are.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I didn't read much into it but did the pats have an offer on the table for revis? I am happy with the comp pick but i feel they need another corner after brown went down.

 

[VectorPrime]

I didn't read much into it but did the pats have an offer on the table for revis? I am happy with the comp pick but i feel they need another corner after brown went down.

We'll never know for sure but talks were that the Pats were floating 12.5 per year back in March

 

[NYPatsFan]

I didn't read much into it but did the pats have an offer on the table for revis? I am happy with the comp pick but i feel they need another corner after brown went down.

Let's not forget that if they somehow managed to pay Revis his ransom, they would not have been able to extend key guys this year and next.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

Lol...

 

[IcyPatriot]

Can't wait to see who we pick to be here for the next 6 years ....

A possible 3rd and 2 possible 6ths ... we'll get 2 out of 3 at least there.

Maybe Belichick will find a way to trade our 2nd and 3rd for a very high 2nd
to piss the NFL off and we'll still have the Revis 3rd?

 

[Archeryaddict12]

It'd be hilarious if the pats win this sb and trade for pick #33 and still have a third. Essentially we'd pick in the same spot. Still be out a pick but loss at a first round talent is negligible.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Everyone outside of New England assumes that the Patriots cheat to stay on top. I mean, how else can they remain so good for so long when the league is structured to prevent it from happening? This is how. Belichick is smarter than they are.

There's a thread up at the Colts forum called "The Patriots Model" about why the Colts, or anyone else can't have the sustained success of the Patriots. A couple of "hurdurr cheaters" posts in the 75 or so replies. But for the most part no.

The Patriots Model - Colts Football

Evidence that other fans don't actually believe the cheating excuse, they just like to say it. Deep down, they have a pretty good idea why the Pats are successful.

 

[patfanken]

I think we are finally starting to get the true story of what caused Revis to leave. The fact is that while he liked playing for BB, Revis really wanted to be in the NYC area. That was his primary focus if it were possible.

The second part of this was that the Jets made it there PRIMARY focus to bring him back. There was no offer the Pats would be able to match, the Jets would always have a bigger one. And tampering was never an obstacle for the Jets as they showed. Christ, the Jets media knew the winning offer before contracts were allowed to happen.

The ONLY way the Pats could have kept Revis for this season would have been to have initiated the 2nd year option, which THAT would have simply been cap suicide, and everyone in the league knew it wasn't happening.

Nice to know that Revis liked playing here for a year. Nice to know that his teammates thought he was was a good guy. But the 60 minutes episode showed that Revis is his own guy and lives his life the way HE wants to and he's good enough to get away with it. According to the report, he lives across the river in NJ over a restaurant with a view of Manhattan and visits museums. The guy is different and living in Foxboro 6 months of the year wasn't where he wanted to be.

I'm sure his ideal would be to have Bill be the HC of the NYJ. What would have been interesting would have been if the Giants had been heavy bidders, but I don't think they were interested at anything near the price. For the Jets at the time, Revis was almost as valuable for what he brought off the field than what he brought on it.

BOTTOM LINE: Glad he was here. He was well worth the expense. I completely understand why he left, and don't hold it a bit against him. Look forward to seeing who that comp pick produces

 

[Tuck]

Bill's best move in fre agency last year was not signing Revis. He's going to be a weight around their neck for the next four years.

 

[Wordsmyth]

Revis the Albatross, a la "Rime of the Ancient Mariner."

 

[supafly]

Bill's best move in fre agency last year was not signing Revis. He's going to be a weight around their neck for the next four years.

When the line is crossed is anyone's guess, but for the time being, Revis is a fine signing for the NYJ. I would imagine that would continue through 2016 as well. They don't have a franchise QB to pay, so they chose to pay a franchise CB instead. More power to them. It instantly added talent to an already good defense. Just as importantly, it gave their fanbase some much needed hope and reason for excitement after two horrid years.

"How long" Revis will prove to be a good signing will be the obvious key here. I'm guessing that they'll get 3 years (2 very good and 1 good) out of him before they regret the decision and have to eat some dead cap money, although I don't know the specifics of how much that would be in year four. Probably not too bad, just expensive for those 3 years. It may even prove to be a good decision overall for them, just not the kind you see here in N. England.

 

[PATS16N0]

I consider Revis little more than a Jets player field trip to see a winning football team.

 

[1960Pats]

Everyone outside of New England assumes that the Patriots cheat to stay on top. I mean, how else can they remain so good for so long when the league is structured to prevent it from happening? This is how. Belichick is smarter than they are.

It isn't just Belichick who's smarter than Goody and The Jests.

Fraudger decided when he took over as Commish that his main goal was parity. Ironically, Kraft was on his side with that. However, we've had anything but parity ever since, in spite of the fact that the idiotic 4 team division setup guarantees that we'll have a "winner" from all four.

Since Goodell took over there have been 54 playoff openings in each conference.
23 of the 54 AFC slots have been taken by only 3 teams. Baltimore missed only 2 of 9 years, Indy missed only 1, the year they tanked the season to get Lucky, and the Pats missed out the year that Brady went down, in spite of an 11-5 record.
Oddly enough, none of those top three have missed out in the same year, meaning that for 5 years all three were in the playoffs and 4 times 2 of them were.
The next group of 4 teams, Cincy (5), Den (4), Pitt (5) and SD (5), have taken up 19 of the playoff slots. By my calculations, that means that 42 of the slots have been taken up by only 7 of the 16 AFC teams.
There isn't much that Fraudger has accomplished in his 9 years, and his main stated goal of parity isn't one of them.

 

[BobDigital]

IDK how it would have worked next year and the year after but to keep Revis here are the moves we would have had to make.

#1 Cut Mayo (not a huge loss so far juding by his play this year... really has been our 4th LB. I appreciate what he has done for us in the past but going by this year you need to admit the pay does not make sense.

#2 Don't sign Sheard - This one hurts. He has played so well for you.

#3 Don't sign Tarell Brown/Fletcher/McClain/Wayne

#4 Don't sign Scott Chandler

Those 4 things would just about do it for you.

#1 & #3 wouldn't hurt you really.. You don't need all those CBs if you have Revis and Wayne was a nice try but in retrospect not being able to sign him and keeping Harper/Gibson as an option would not have mattered.

Sheard and Chandler do hurt though but I think what Revis would do for this D would make up for those moves. Maybe you can keep Chandler if you decide to let someone else go or cut Nink for Sheard but who knows. The point is those are the spots IMO you would need to be weaker at.

I would argue for this year looking at that Keeping Revis would make you better,

The problem IMO really starts with next year and the year after. You would need to let 2 of 3 of Hightower/Collins/Jones walk in all likelihood. Getting rid of your top young front 7 players to keep an aging player is not ideal.

Personally I solve this in part by letting Solder or Vollmer walk to keep Collins and Hightower if that is what it takes. You either keep Solder and weaken RT or keep Vollmer and move him to LT. Weakening yourself at RT is not ideal but worth it to keep Hightower/Collins intact.

 

[Miguel]

IDK how it would have worked next year and the year after but to keep Revis here are the moves we would have had to make.

#1 Cut Mayo (not a huge loss so far juding by his play this year... really has been our 4th LB. I appreciate what he has done for us in the past but going by this year you need to admit the pay does not make sense.

All the moves that had to happen to pick up Revis' option had to happen before 4PM March 10. Cutting Mayo then would have increased his 2015 cap number from $10,287,500 to $10.5m since his $4.5m injury guarantee would have come into play

 

[50-yard-line]

Bill's best move in fre agency last year was not signing Revis. He's going to be a weight around their neck for the next four years.

Every team is under the cap, obviously, and the Jets are 4-1 and have one of the best D's in football - and Revis is playing like Revis.

He would have been an albatross for the Pats, maybe, because of the way BB likes to build depth., but a team like the Jets, with no Brady, is taking a shot at staying healthy and having a chance. Plus, they're loaded with high draft picks from the last few years on rookie contracts.

I don't think Revis is an albatross to them.

 

[n1997y]

I consider Revis little more than a Jets player field trip to see a winning football team.

After a trip to Florida to see the opposite.

 

[BobDigital]

All the moves that had to happen to pick up Revis' option had to happen before 4PM March 10. Cutting Mayo then would have increased his 2015 cap number from $10,287,500 to $10.5m since his $4.5m injury guarantee would have come into play

Well I am not talking about the Revis option I am talking about signing him to a longer term deal(that is why I was worried about the cap implications more down the line). We were all making projections earlier in the off season about how such a thing could have been possibly and we were certainly fitting him in then. I don't think anyone projected taking the option to keep him.

At some point in this off season if I am not mistaken you could have cut Mayo and saved 6M for this year. Is that correct or not? Could be wrong.