Patriots Daily News Thread Patriots practice Thursday 8/31/23

[Kasmir]

I agree, and that's part of the point I was trying to make above. Even cash-rich owners can't operate as if the cap doesn't matter, eventually it catches up with them. The cap is accounting, but in the real world bad accounting can get you thrown into jail, and in the NFL it can get you into the position the Bucs and the Rams now find themselves in.

The point some in the media are trying to make is there is always some team that can sign Player X if they want to, the cap is not the reason why that binkie is not being signed. That's true, but also teams are not signing Player X because they don't think Player X is worth the money he is asking for, and the reason why the can't just pay him what he wants eventually boils down to the cap. Some in the media portray this as an excuse, and perhaps it is. It's easier to tell your fans that you aren't signing the binkie because of the cap, instead of telling that player, his agent, and the world that they think that player isn't worth the money he's asking for. Yet there is some truth behind the excuse, cap does eventually matter, just ask the Bucs and the Rams.

Everything in finance is about picking a side in a "money now for the chance of more money later" proposition. Accounting (particularly accrual accounting) helps you keep score, but you don't get something for nothing.

That said, I do sometimes wonder whether some teams' cap accounting uses a too-conservative present value for the deferred amounts given the history of continual growth in the cap. Miguel: if you're reading this, how accurate have past projections of future cap limits been given the seemingly perpetual growth in cap limits? Have the Pats proven to be conservative, realistic or aggressive in their history of cap limit projections?

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Real fan 02]

Agree. I prefer to focus on the game and players and not the business side of the NFL.

Yes, this is the time of year that I always got excited for. Zuma I'll say the sense of urgency couldn't be more apparent. We cannot get in a hole.. if we can sneak a win out next Sunday then that could propel this team forward. IMO I believe we can go 3-3 in the division. That's pretty good if we can. Our division is tough.

 

[moosekill]

Yes, this is the time of year that I always got excited for. Zuma I'll say the sense of urgency couldn't be more apparent. We cannot get in a hole.. if we can sneak a win out next Sunday then that could propel this team forward. IMO I believe we can go 3-3 in the division. That's pretty good if we can. Our division is tough.

We think our division is tough. Every year we go through preseason saying omg they have Roger’s, or Tua is the best ever. Let’s see how things go. Tua might suck or get hurt Game 1. Roger’s may have lost it. Who knows

 

[Real fan 02]

We think our division is tough. Every year we go through preseason saying omg they have Roger’s, or Tua is the best ever. Let’s see how things go. Tua might suck or get hurt Game 1. Roger’s may have lost it. Who knows

I'll agree. It's just this season feels different. The jets were literally a QB away.. they have a stacked offense, a 2023 level dominant defense.. the only thing we have right now over any teams in our division is coaching. So as you've said we'll see how it goes. All I know is if we get into a hole. 1-3 , 2-4 start we may not be able to recover given the schedule. The Bills are still the bills. I'll agree on tua.. who knows what he'll do this season. For some reason we seem to fare well with Waddle and hill as far as coverage goes. However we struggle with Diggs.

 

[Sicilian]

Everything in finance is about picking a side in a "money now for the chance of more money later" proposition. Accounting (particularly accrual accounting) helps you keep score, but you don't get something for nothing.

That said, I do sometimes wonder whether some teams' cap accounting uses a too-conservative present value for the deferred amounts given the history of continual growth in the cap. Miguel: if you're reading this, how accurate have past projections of future cap limits been given the seemingly perpetual growth in cap limits? Have the Pats proven to be conservative, realistic or aggressive in their history of cap limit projections?

I think there's some element of that, where there's always a certain amount of money you can kick down the road because the cap is going to increase. But I don't think that automatically tilts it too much, because as the cap goes up, teams are going to value each position higher as well. So yes, you front load a contract with bonuses so that a wide receiver has a dead cap hit in a year where you have a higher cap, but now replacing that wide receiver is going to cost you more because the market is richer.

 

[Zuma]

We think our division is tough. Every year we go through preseason saying omg they have Roger’s, or Tua is the best ever. Let’s see how things go. Tua might suck or get hurt Game 1. Roger’s may have lost it. Who knows

Divisions don’t always finish the way we think they will. Like you said…multiple things can happen…and do.

 

[Real fan 02]

Divisions don’t always finish the way we think they will. Like you said…multiple things can happen…and do.

We are the under dog.. I like that position. We thrived off being the under dog for years. I don't think nationally we are favored in any game this season. Can correct me on that.

 

[Patsfan1958]

 

[Zuma]

Yeah this unusual but like

 

[Bill Lee]

Everything in finance is about picking a side in a "money now for the chance of more money later" proposition. Accounting (particularly accrual accounting) helps you keep score, but you don't get something for nothing.

That said, I do sometimes wonder whether some teams' cap accounting uses a too-conservative present value for the deferred amounts given the history of continual growth in the cap. Miguel: if you're reading this, how accurate have past projections of future cap limits been given the seemingly perpetual growth in cap limits? Have the Pats proven to be conservative, realistic or aggressive in their history of cap limit projections?

My reaction to your post is I do think BB believes he can get something for (next to) nothing.

Look at his recent acquisitions from the last week or so: OL, WR, QB.

All of these are big-ticket items on the open market, far cheaper during cut-down week.

Also noticeable is his swing-and-a-miss on DL, and picking up Zeke late in training camp.

Of course the quality isn't the same, but if you can make chicken salad out of chicken **** you win big.

I'm pretty confident BB is saying to himself during early free agency that he can find players on the cheap that he can make into serviceable players.

It's pretty frustrating to most fans, but there are some notable players we've taken off other people's scrap heap ( Vrabel, Ninkovich, etc ).

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

My reaction to your post is I do think BB believes he can get something for (next to) nothing.

Look at his recent acquisitions from the last week or so: OL, WR, QB.

All of these are big-ticket items on the open market, far cheaper during cut-down week.

Also noticeable is his swing-and-a-miss on DL, and picking up Zeke late in training camp.

Of course the quality isn't the same, but if you can make chicken salad out of chicken **** you win big.

I'm pretty confident BB is saying to himself during early free agency that he can find players on the cheap that he can make into serviceable players.

It's pretty frustrating to most fans, but there are some notable players we've taken off other people's scrap heap ( Vrabel, Ninkovich, etc ).

I agree. The Cap makes finding needles in the haystack even more lucrative. But BB does pay top dollar from time to time.

What is the DL comment? I think our DL is good and I am excited to watch them. Did you mean OL?

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah this unusual but like

At this point it's pretty much survival for th O line.. guys are banged up, some recovering from things. Put the most ready 5 guys out there and pray!