Patriots could have fewest points allowed in NFL in last three years

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Over the last three seasons, the 2014 Seattle Seahawks surrendered the fewest points allowed with 254. The 2016 Patriots have allowed 236 points, so if they allow 17 or less points to the Dolphins, they will be the stingiest defense in three years, in terms of points surrendered. Even though you could argue that based on yards allowed, turnovers, sacks, strength of opponents, etc. this is not be the "best" defense of the last three years, having a chance at this accomplishment is darn impressive nonetheless. Points allowed isn't the only measuring stick, but it certainly is the most important one.

The 2013 Seattle Seahawks allowed 231 points, so the Patriots would be unable to match that mark.

Not bad for this garbage dump defense that doesn't meet the eye test, and that senile Belichick, who unloaded all of his talented defenders to purposefully throw away this season for a minimal return.

 

[Pessimistic Pete]

No, no, no.

YARDS is more important. Just look at the top 5 defenses in the league

YPG
Texans
Vikings
Cardinals
Jaguars
Ravens

PPG
Patriots
Seahawks
Giants
Cowboys
Chiefs

Clearly, yards-per-game have the defenses that more accurately represent reality. Those Jaguars are downright nasty! The fact that they give up 25 points a game is irrelevant!

 

[AHoodieWorshipperInParis]

No, no, no.

YARDS is more important. Just look at the top 5 defenses in the league

YPG
Texans
Vikings
Cardinals
Jaguars
Ravens

PPG
Patriots
Seahawks
Giants
Cowboys
Chiefs

Clearly, yards-per-game have the defenses that more accurately represent reality. Those Jaguars are downright nasty! The fact that they give up 25 points a game is irrelevant!

Yards win championships

 

[deroc5050]

YPG is a meaningless stat used by itself. But I don't look at any 1 stat... if its about wins, look at teams played, and more importantly when they played them.. it is a huge never discussed hard to quantify stat.

And then you can add in all the PPG, YPG, and all the other offensive and defensive stats.

Like for example when we played Denver in Denver and Denver was fighting for there playoff lives against us, are they going to put the same amount of effort in the following week after they have been knocked out of the playoffs? Most likely no.

 

[patfanken]

Over the last three seasons, the 2014 Seattle Seahawks surrendered the fewest points allowed with 254. The 2016 Patriots have allowed 236 points, so if they allow 17 or less points to the Dolphins, they will be the stingiest defense in three years, in terms of points surrendered. Even though you could argue that based on yards allowed, turnovers, sacks, strength of opponents, etc. this is not be the "best" defense of the last three years, having a chance at this accomplishment is darn impressive nonetheless. Points allowed isn't the only measuring stick, but it certainly is the most important one.

The 2013 Seattle Seahawks allowed 231 points, so the Patriots would be unable to match that mark.

Not bad for this garbage dump defense that doesn't meet the eye test, and that senile Belichick, who unloaded all of his talented defenders to purposefully throw away this season for a minimal return.

Nice stat, yet even so the Pats defense is just NOW getting the bare minimum of credit by the Mediots. Remember they haven't played anyone yet.

 

[BobDigital]

We will see. Clearly they are a championship caliber defense. I wouldn't call them the best this year but they are good enough for sure. Also I don't think PPG is the best measurement of a defense but for a simple easy to look at stat it is.

Also they didn't pass the eye test early in the year but they have since Seattle. I was one of the people talking about the eye test and the fact they are clearly passing it now doesn't mean they were before.

 

[deroc5050]

Nice stat, yet even so the Pats defense is just NOW getting the bare minimum of credit by the Mediots. Remember they haven't played anyone yet.

I think the Pats defense is for real. They are playing fast and seem to be very physical. But what are the top 3 best wins of the year for the Pats?

I would say:
Denver
Baltimore
@Buffalo or @Arizona

None of those teams are in the playoffs. I think for 2 of those teams we put the nail in there coffin though.

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

Yards win championships

Everyone knows points don't correlate to wins.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

If the Patriots can beat the Phins 57-0 they will have the highest point differential total since 2007 . Going back thru 07, from a point differential standpoint the Patriots are league beasts. It appears to be a telling stat in terms of a team's complimentary football capability (unfortunately it doesn't always translate to SB victories).

It is an interesting argument about the points allowed versus eye test/yards. It certainly seems there have been times where the eye test suggested the D had some fundamental flaws that offenses could a bit too easily exploit. However, the list of top teams regarding 'yards allowed' versus the list of top teams for 'points allowed' is pretty compelling. I'd be curious to see what the counter argument is from those that are skeptical of the D based on 'eye test/yards'.

 

[fightingirish595]

If the Patriots can beat the Phins 57-0 they will have the highest point differential total since 2007 . Going back thru 07, from a point differential standpoint the Patriots are league beasts. It appears to be a telling stat in terms of a team's complimentary football capability (unfortunately it doesn't always translate to SB victories).

It is an interesting argument about the points allowed versus eye test/yards. It certainly seems there have been times where the eye test suggested the D had some fundamental flaws that offenses could a bit too easily exploit. However, the list of top teams regarding 'yards allowed' versus the list of top teams for 'points allowed' is pretty compelling. I'd be curious to see what the counter argument is from those that are skeptical of the D based on 'eye test/yards'.

Their is no counter argument. If you watch the games and still think they do not pass the eye test you are a damn fool. They haven't given up a meaningful TD drive of over 50 yards in over a month. Their performance to me just looks better now than it did 2 months ago. I feel like we played really well the first 3 weeks, then we regressed a little bit, now we're just getting better every week

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Truly amazing how well this defense has been this year.

Consider the distraction of the Brady suspension, The rotation of bodies at #2 CB, random benchings (sheard, brown and jones), Cyrus's inability to hang onto a football, early season fumbling problems by the offense, and the biggest by far, the trade of Collins and introduction of van noy!

I can not say enough how impressed I am with this team.

I love it when the mediots start doubting our defense and the defense circles the wagons and gets that us against the world mentality!

 

[Tony2046]

What I've seen from this team in the last 3 weeks has been downright nasty. They have literally embarrassed teams one way or another. The defense has swag and the offense looks like a chameleonic scoring machine. They can run on you, they can throw on you and they can burn the clock. Oh and let's add a few ST plays into the mix to give them field position.

The stats didn't lie. Initially this Defense was solid in the red zone. Now they have evolved into a Defense that is solid anywhere on the field.

Anyways I look forward to a competitive Miami game but expect them to play to win it. It should be a good game. We'll see.

 

[ALP]

who was it in 2012?

so the seahawk D has been getting progressively worse since 2013, interesting

 

[edkk323]

I do not think PPG nor YPG is the best indicator. If your offense turns the ball over frequently, the opponent have more yards and more points. I will say TB only throwing two INTs is a big factor in PPG. Also Cyrus J's special team fumbles are probably the biggest factor in PPG. Remember the special team turnovers gave the opponent short fields too.

Also how good is Patriots' defense? Defense downs, we are 3rd. Defense takeaways, we are 14th. DOVA, we are 13th to 20th to dead last.

Is our defense good or their offense just bad? I gave up stats as a major for good reasons. They are meaningless.

 

[luuked]

I gave up stats as a major for good reasons. They are meaningless.

This might be the stupidest thing I have read on this board in a long time.

 

[edkk323]

This might be the stupidest thing I have read on this board in a long time.

So you read 372854 posts. The sample is too small.

 

[patsrulenfl]

You guys are all wrong. Yards wins championships, just ask P. "Papa John's" Money and D. Brees.

 

[luuked]

So you read 372854 posts. The sample is too small.

I wouldn't have said anything if you had limited your "stats are meaningless" to football. But claiming that stats are useless in general is just dumb.

 

[edkk323]

I wouldn't have said anything if you had limited your "stats are meaningless" to football. But claiming that stats are useless in general is just dumb.

of course I did not mean it definitively. "Stats can be manipulated to prove any points; therefore, are useless" was my point. Again, you are taking something out of context.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

The reason yards are often used is because all the yards given up are by the defense. Points are affected by the other two phases of the game.