OT: Weis crying in South Bend

[QuiGon]

Just because ND plays a Big-10 school doesn't make them powerhouses. Example: Michigan State. The flaw of your logic is that you think just because a school is usually good doesn't make them good every year. Example: UCLA, Georgia Tech (7-win for the past 4 seasons), Purdue (5 win last year, 2 7-win seasons in the last four years), Penn State ( with the exception of last year have been mediocre for the last 3 seasons)

I didn't say every Big-10 school is a powerhouse but you seem to not realize that football schedules are made years (if not decades) in advance. Who knew in 1985 whether or not Purdue and Michigan State would be good or would be creampuffs in 2006...? So you are ignorant to suggest that ND is deliberately scheduling easy games.

Why don't you talk about the other teams I had named? Army? Navy? Air Force? North Carolina? Stanford?

Navy is their one annual "gimme" that they've been playing every year for over a half century. This is the first time they've played Army in forever. And North Carolina and Stanford are the same as Michigan State and Purdue... When the schedule was made 20 years ago, there was no way to know if those schools would be good or bad in 2006.

The truth of the matter is ND has always played nobodies for the majority of their schedule.

That makes them just like every single other top-10 team in the nation. Why do the computers have ND so high since, according to you, they have such a weak schedule...? Hmmmm...?

I will give you one team who has a tougher schedule, and this is just off of my head: Florida. They had to play LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee... and those are just the SEC games. Florida has played 3 Top-15 teams, while ND has played only 1 Top-15 and that was Michigan, granted they have not yet played USC.

That's a great example - but their tough schedule is a product of the fact that the SEC is very tough this year. Their non-conference schedule includes such creampuffs as Central Florida, Southern Miss and the mighty mighty Western Carolina Catamounts (!).

So, in conclusion, perhaps you should follow college football some more before even attempting to call me out on it.

Like I said... learn a little bit more about college football and you'll learn how wrong you are... Notre Dame's computer average is #8, but their "people polls" average is 10... given that little fact, pretty tough to make the argument that the coaches and sportswriters are biased in ND's favor, huh..?

 

[QuiGon]

To drive my point further, here are the 4 of the rankings I found for the BCS.

Jeff Sagarin - 15th ND, 6th FLA, 1st USC
Massey Ratings - 8th ND, 3rd FLA
Anderson Sports - 8th ND, 2nd FLA
Colley Matrix - 18th ND, 10th FLA

As you can see, plenty of teams are above ND. 15th in JS, 8th in MR, 8th in AS, 18th in CM. Florida ranks at least 10th. With 2 rankings in 3rd and 2nd.

'Nuff said.

WRONG!!! I don't know where the hell you got your little stat above from, but it is all a bunch of made up crap. You've just made a complete fool of yourself by cherry picking stats so poorly and being so wrong that it is obvious you have an agenda behind your claims - and you don't really know much about college football rankings.

Colley Matrix has Notre Dame 6th - not 18th as you claim. http://www.colleyrankings.com/

Looks to me like you didn't know that when you look at BCS computer rankings, the HIGHER the number, the better you are. According to you, Ohio State is ranked #24 by Colley and Michigan #25th.

FACT: Every single computer system used by the BCS currently has ND ranked 7th or 8th.

'Nuff said.

EDIT: Here's a question you probably can't answer: How can the Colley Matrix website have ND ranked 6th, but the CM ranking in the BCS poll have them at 8th..?

 

[edgecy]

WRONG!!! I don't know where the hell you got your little stat above from, but it is all a bunch of made up crap. You've just made a complete fool of yourself by cherry picking stats so poorly and being so wrong that it is obvious you have an agenda behind your claims - and you don't really know much about college football rankings.

Colley Matrix has Notre Dame 6th - not 18th as you claim. http://www.colleyrankings.com/

Looks to me like you didn't know that when you look at BCS computer rankings, the HIGHER the number, the better you are. According to you, Ohio State is ranked #24 by Colley and Michigan #25th.

FACT: Every single computer system used by the BCS currently has ND ranked 7th or 8th.

'Nuff said.

EDIT: Here's a question you probably can't answer: How can the Colley Matrix website have ND ranked 6th, but the CM ranking in the BCS poll have them at 8th..?

This is so sad.

You want me to show you who in the nation has a tougher schedule than ND, and I did. You didn't ask me where ND is ranked in the computer polls, you only asked me to show you who has a tougher schedule. In the same link you provided, it is very clear ND ranks 18th in schedule.

Colley Matrix: http://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html
Anderson Sports: http://www.andersonsports.com/football/ACF_frnk.html
Jeff Sagarin: http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm
Massey Ratings: http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cf

Here are the links that I "made up". Why don't you go to every one of them and look. Come back when you're done.

 

[edgecy]

I didn't say every Big-10 school is a powerhouse but you seem to not realize that football schedules are made years (if not decades) in advance. Who knew in 1985 whether or not Purdue and Michigan State would be good or would be creampuffs in 2006...? So you are ignorant to suggest that ND is deliberately scheduling easy games.
Navy is their one annual "gimme" that they've been playing every year for over a half century. This is the first time they've played Army in forever. And North Carolina and Stanford are the same as Michigan State and Purdue... When the schedule was made 20 years ago, there was no way to know if those schools would be good or bad in 2006.
That makes them just like every single other top-10 team in the nation. Why do the computers have ND so high since, according to you, they have such a weak schedule...? Hmmmm...?
That's a great example - but their tough schedule is a product of the fact that the SEC is very tough this year. Their non-conference schedule includes such creampuffs as Central Florida, Southern Miss and the mighty mighty Western Carolina Catamounts (!).
Like I said... learn a little bit more about college football and you'll learn how wrong you are... Notre Dame's computer average is #8, but their "people polls" average is 10... given that little fact, pretty tough to make the argument that the coaches and sportswriters are biased in ND's favor, huh..?

Aye. Again, you do not seem to read very well. I did not say ND goes out of its way to schedule easy games, but that doesn't change the fact that this year they have played nobody and is in not position to whine about poll position. I am sure when they scheduled them they are great teams, but that's not the case now is it? The rankings are about who are the best teams in the nation NOW, not 1985.

 

[QuiGon]

This is so sad.

I agree... your doublespeak and horribly worded posts are very sad.

You wrote a post which said (direct quote):

To drive my point further, here are the 4 of the rankings I found for the BCS.

Jeff Sagarin - 15th ND, 6th FLA, 1st USC
Massey Ratings - 8th ND, 3rd FLA
Anderson Sports - 8th ND, 2nd FLA
Colley Matrix - 18th ND, 10th FLA

As you can see, plenty of teams are above ND. 15th

Sorry, but I don't see anything in there that says you were talking about strength of schedule. And since you didn't quote any post, who knows what in the world you were responding to...? So you'll have to forgive me for not understanding your very poorly worded and ridiculously vague post.

In response... if those are strength of schedules, then thank you for proving my point that ND's is very tough. Are they the single most difficult schedule in the nation..? Perhaps not. But only an ignorant fool would write "They play nobodies - UCLA, Navy, Army, Air Force, North Carolina, Purdue, Stanford, Michigan State (and LOST!)" - not to mention the fact that they didn't lose to Michigan State which I guess you didn't know because you don't seem to follow college football all that closely.

Besides, except for USC, the teams which have very difficult strength of schedules is based on their conference games - then they go with creampuffs for their non-conference games. Western Carolina Catamounts, anyone...? I don't see Western Carolina on Notre Dame's schedule, do you...?

 

[Michigan Dave]

Just worry about Ohio State - we don't need them winning another National Championship

Oh, we'll take care of that. Or else I will be in a fit of rage over not accepting the $2G I was offered for my tickets.

 

[PatsFanInEaglesLand]

Western Carolina Catamounts, anyone...? I don't see Western Carolina on Notre Dame's schedule, do you...?

I must of missed the @AUBURN @TENNESSEE Home LSU and the Neutral site GEORGIA on ND's schedule. So what about W. Carolina, a lot of teams scrambled to add the extra game the NCAA has now permitted.

 

[Jacky Roberts]

I don't see Western Carolina on Notre Dame's schedule, do you...?

Yes I do, they just wear Army, Navy, and/or UNC uniforms. Like several people have said, ND is painfully overrated led by an overrated blowhard who is trying to do a Bill Parcells "tough guy" imitation.

Bottom line is I feel bad for ole Charlie. I wonder if his gripe is that he's upset that teams jumped ND in the rankings or if he wishes he could stay home and eat cheeseburgers. I guess we'll never know.

 

[Michigan Dave]

I must of missed the @AUBURN @TENNESSEE Home LSU and the Neutral site GEORGIA on ND's schedule. So what about W. Carolina, a lot of teams scrambled to add the extra game the NCAA has now permitted.

Please tell me no one is trying to compare Florida's gauntlet of a schedule to ND's? That would be silly.

Hell, I'm amazed we got through this ridiculous stretch: @ND, Wisconsin, @Minnesota, Michigan State, @Penn State, Iowa with an undefeated record.

 

[edgecy]

I challenge you to show me any school that has a tougher schedule than Notre Dame.

DONE.

I've already provided the links that show that PLENTY of schools have a tougher schedule than Notre Dame, yet you are so blind and so eager to save your own faces that you can't recognize it.

 

[edgecy]

Please tell me no one is trying to compare Florida's gauntlet of a schedule to ND's? That would be silly.

Hell, I'm amazed we got through this ridiculous stretch: @ND, Wisconsin, @Minnesota, Michigan State, @Penn State, Iowa with an undefeated record.

The only reason I compared them two was because QuiGon challenged me to show him a team that has a tougher schedule than ND. And I did.

 

[QuiGon]

DONE.

I've already provided the links that show that PLENTY of schools have a tougher schedule than Notre Dame, yet you are so blind and so eager to save your own faces that you can't recognize it.

Yeah, and I gladly conceded the point. Notre Dame does not have the #1 toughest strength of schedule this year - but they are easily in the top 20 (if not the top 10) in toughest schedules. So only a moron would write

"They play nobodies - UCLA, Navy, Army, Air Force, North Carolina, Purdue, Stanford, Michigan State (and LOST!)"

don't you agree..?

Now what was that you were saying about how Michigan State beat Notre Dame...? I missed that explanation.

 

[QuiGon]

Yes I do, they just wear Army, Navy, and/or UNC uniforms.

OK, this shows you don't know what you are talking about...

Like several people have said, ND is painfully overrated led by an overrated blowhard who is trying to do a Bill Parcells "tough guy" imitation.

The computers have Notre Dame at #8. I guess the computers are just biased, huh...? Yeah, the computers are all caught up in the media hype.

Bottom line is I feel bad for ole Charlie. I wonder if his gripe is that he's upset that teams jumped ND in the rankings or if he wishes he could stay home and eat cheeseburgers. I guess we'll never know.

Geez... you really are a pathetic troll....

 

[edgecy]

Yeah, and I gladly conceded the point. Notre Dame does not have the #1 toughest strength of schedule this year - but they are easily in the top 20 (if not the top 10) in toughest schedules. So only a moron would write "They play nobodies - UCLA, Navy, Army, Air Force, North Carolina, Purdue, Stanford, Michigan State (and LOST!)" don't you agree..?

Now what was that you were saying about how Michigan State beat Notre Dame...? I missed that explanation.

Regarding Michigan State that was a mistake on my part.

But the point still stands, ND is overrated, they play a bunch of losing teams and yet somehow manage to still be in the Top 10 in the BCS. AND still have the guts to whine about poll positions.

But it is nice to see that you are willing to accept the fact that there ND doesn't have the toughest schedule, like your original challenge.

Oh, I apologize for my bad grammer. English is my fourth language and I am still working on mastering it.

 

[QuiGon]

Please tell me no one is trying to compare Florida's gauntlet of a schedule to ND's? That would be silly.

Hell, I'm amazed we got through this ridiculous stretch: @ND, Wisconsin, @Minnesota, Michigan State, @Penn State, Iowa with an undefeated record.

You must not think too much of your team then... I mean, according to everyone in here, Notre Dame sucks, right..? So take away ND and there's what...? 1 team on that list of yours ranked in the top-25...?

 

[QuiGon]

Regarding Michigan State that was a mistake on my part.

But the point still stands, ND is overrated, they play a bunch of losing teams and yet somehow manage to still be in the Top 10 in the BCS. AND still have the guts to whine about poll positions.

According to your own figures, their s.o.s. is in the top 20 (if not the top-10) in the nation.

But it is nice to see that you are willing to accept the fact that there ND doesn't have the toughest schedule, like your original challenge.

Yeah it's just too bad you can't admit you were wrong when you said (direct quote): "They play nobodies."

Oh, I apologize for my bad grammer. English is my fourth language and I am still working on mastering it.

No apologies needed. I haven't once mentioned your poor grammar or spelling; there's too much else from which to choose.

 

[edgecy]

According to your own figures, their s.o.s. is in the top 20 (if not the top-10) in the nation.

Yeah it's just too bad you can't adit you were wrong when you said (direct quote): "They play nobodies."
No apologies needed. I haven't once mentioned your poor grammar or spelling; there's too much else from which to choose.

Okay, I was going to try and end this on a good note, but apparently that won't work.

How about this, why don't you offer any examples of why ND is so great instead of picking on my language skill in general?

When I said Top 10 BCS I didn't say SOS. Which is funny, because you've been trying to pass ND's BCS ranking as their SOS when I offered the facts that said ND's SOS is not the toughest.

Keep up, rook.

But, being the bigger person, I will end this on a good note. I will give you the last word on this thread and let you tell the rest of us why ND is so great.

I will be pullin' for ya.

 

[QuiGon]

Okay, I was going to try and end this on a good note, but apparently that won't work.

How about this, why don't you offer any examples of why ND is so great instead of picking on my language skill in general?

When I said Top 10 BCS I didn't say SOS. Which is funny, because you've been trying to pass ND's BCS ranking as their SOS when I offered the facts that said ND's SOS is not the toughest.

Keep up, rook.

By your own admission, your English reading comprehension skills are poor. So don't blame me for your poor grammar, spelling, and reading comprehension skills. If you've been speaking French all your life and we had a discussion in French and there was a miscommunication, I would blame myself as my French skills are relatively poor. But you refuse to take any of the blame - and then to make things quite hilarious declare yourself the "bigger person".

But, being the bigger person, I will end this on a good note. I will give you the last word on this thread and let you tell the rest of us why ND is so great.

I will state what I have said all along. You may have a hard time understanding this because of your tendency to put words in my mouth. Read slowly and try to follow along:

1) Notre Dame is a good team worthy of a top-10 ranking.
2) They are not national championship contenders this year, nor do they deserve to be.
3) Notre Dame consistently has one of the tougher schedules in football. Besides annual games against USC and Michigan, they also schedule teams like Penn State, Tennessee, Nebraska, UCLA or Georgia Tech that you can usually assume will be decent when it comes time to play them.
4) Like Charlie Weis said, the system is stupid when a team can win a game but get passed over by another team that did nothing.

Now what part of those 4 points do you not understand...?

 

[Yankees/Colts]

Weis crying in South Bend

That's Indiana football. :rocker:

 

[brady2brown]

He has a legitimate point? How? They have one quality win vs. GT, got smoked by Michigan at home, needed to come back from a 17 point deficit at a pathetic MSU team, and almost lost at home to UCLA.

You guys that think a come from behind win is somehow worthless make me laugh. (They almost lost, they almost lost. Wah wah wah.)

What, you think UCLA should rise in the rankings because they almost won? No, you win or you lose. Coming from behind shows character and resolve.

ND won. FL didn't play. So explain to me again why FL jumped ahead of ND?