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  1. BobDigital

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    This is a scary unit, but I think it needs to be put in perspective. There is one team that had Hunt and the current team that doesn't. They are 2 very different offenses.

    PPG with Hunt (11 games) - 36.7, PPG without Hunt (including playoffs) 32 PPG

    Mahomes with Hunt - 264/391 67.5% 3628 yards 9.3YPA 37 TDs 10 Ints 117.9 Passer Rating

    Mahomes without Hunt - 146/230 63.5% 1747 yards 7.6YPA 13 TDs 2 Ints 102 Passer Rating


    Also just for reference the average PPG defense KC faced in the first 11 games was 16.9th overall. In the last six games it was 15.8th overall. So they have faced on average a slightly better D in the last 6 games than the first 11, but it is virtually the same caliber of defense on the whole.

    Going by the numbers ever since they lost hunt this O has come back down to earth a bit. Before Hunt got left they were held at or under 31 PPGs only 4 times in 11 games. Since losing Hunt they have been held at or under 4 times in the last 6 games.

    3 of the 4 games they were held at or under 31 points were at Arrowhead. So it isn't like they get a huge offense boost playing at home. Full disclosure. 4 of their last 6 games were at home. So that may be slightly misleading.

    Perhaps most important of all. With Hunt a record of 9-2. Without Hunt a record of 4-2 that also features an overtime win.
     
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    Good numbers. Although Williams has impressive numbers, Hunt is a guy a defense has to plan around - which is really difficult with two others like that in Hill and Kelce. However Willims isn't at that level so we should be able to play the pass (Hill and Kelce) more and letting Williams do what he does as a JAG. It's nice to have numbers to back it up, though.
     
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    Chiefs offense is more potent on the road.

    Obviously their defense seems to get a big boost at home. Colts offense was shutout for the first 55 minutes on Saturday. Crowd will be crazy this is literally the biggest football game that’s ever been played in Kansas City.
     
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    QB12 In the Starting Line-Up

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    How did Seattle beat them?
     
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    maust1013 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I'm all in favor of our D running some current through that KC offense

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    43 rushes for 210 yards helped Seahawks win TOP 35-25 minutes.

    I think the Pats can (and will) run on them like they did in week 6.
     
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    Ran the ball alot and used Wilson’s creativity to destroy the defense. Also won the turnover battle
     
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    mosi In the Starting Line-Up

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    I think they scored more points.
     
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    BB and company can beat anybody this time of year.

    We have as good as chance as ever. No guarantees , but I never bet against a disrespected BB and TB in January.

    If these guys play like they did Sunday, I like our chances.

    Besides, FU Chefs fans.
    A bunch of bandwagon, ruthless, toothless, "We are a dynasty (yet haven't done squat yet), jealous, betting the farm, a55hole, hick, delusional, illiterate, mullet wearing, sheep loving...………………………...
     
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    Link?
     
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    edkk323 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Nothing you said deserved a Dislike....
     
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    Yeah but that cold ass weather...good luck making noise.
     
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    Can anyone provide a writeup on Reid's Chiefs in cold games?
     
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    Rather than start a new thread here's some info on the KC defense. Bango coverage is for receiver stacks but if the offense doesn't do stacked sets the man-zone principles still apply.

    Stout Assessments: banjo coverage and the Chiefs

    ITP Glossary: Banjo Coverage - Inside The Pylon

    banjo coverage – MatchQuarters | #ArtofX

    This comes down to can Sutton disguise which technique their using enough to confuse Brady. Note in the third link the Robber Coverage which led to the Pick-6 vs Atlanta when Alford jumped the route. We saw the Chargers playing a straight cover 3 with these concepts and Brady brutalized them. Sutton is going to have keep mixing it up.

    Justin Houston playing this time around is a huge plus for the Chiefs. When healthy he's still a beast. Eric Berry who also didn't play in the previous matchup is day to day. He's an impact player who could make a big difference.
     
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    Makes sense to counter their really good pass rush...
     
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    Haven't posted in a long time and this might be some stupid questions but

    1. Don't you think the cold will have a dramatic effect on KC's vertical game (note that I read somewhere Mahomes is from TX and hasn't seen this type of cold) - haven't really heard anyone discuss this or is the answer too obvious

    2. I see a lot of overall stats on KC but what are the stats like when they play at home (With or without Hunt)

    Be interested in what everyone thinks
     
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    1. Mahomes obviously hasn’t played as many cold weather games as Brady (who is the NFL best cold weather QB), but he has played in some cold games. His first start was in 17 degree weather. Interestingly, Mahomes is 3-0 when the temperature is 32 degrees or lower. His average stats in those games are 313 yards, 1 TD and 0.67 INT. He’s looked fairly unaffected by the weather and never wears long sleeves (except on his throwing arm). This will likely be the coldest game of his career.

    2. The Chiefs still have the most explosive offense in the league. Without Hunt, and at home, the Chiefs are 3-1 (BAL, LAC, OAK, IND). The average score in those games is 30-17 in favor of KC. Less explosive at home but still elite
     
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    Sammy Watkins' injury happened the game before Kareem Hunt was cut, which would clearly contribute to the statistical drop-off, and Watkins looked like he was moving pretty well in his first game back on Saturday. (6 catches on 8 targets, for 62 yards) especially his first catch of the game when he caught a shallow crosser and weaved upfield for 34 yards.
     
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    the cold slowed Mahomes not much but a little bit. It was the first game in a while where he didnt have a touchdown pass.
     
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