OT: Steph Curry joins Brady & Gretzky as history's only unanimous MVPs

[letekro]

Bird is a superior 15-20 ft shooter. Tougher defenses back then. Isn't all about 3s.

I'm a fan RW, but, respectfully, this argument is equal parts homer and old codger.

 

[Fixit]

Bird is a superior 15-20 ft shooter. Tougher defenses back then. Isn't all about 3s.

Two questions:

1) By what metric is Bird a better 15-20 foot shooter?
2) Is hitting a long 2-pointer better than hitting a 3?

Jesus, Curry's 2-pt % from the last three years: .509, .528, .566.

 

[letekro]

I marveled at Bird. But Curry now is like Steroids-era Barry Bonds. No one has ever seen anything remotely like it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm a fan RW, but, respectfully, this argument is equal parts homer and old codger.

I dont think you know how deadly LB was from 15-20 ft and even in the post.

Clearly Steph is a better 3pt shooter. That is not debatable.

LB was a more diverse shooter.

Might want to watch some games as a refresher.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Two questions:

1) By what metric is Bird a better 15-20 foot shooter?
2) Is hitting a long 2-pointer better than hitting a 3?

Jesus, Curry's 2-pt % from the last three years: .509, .528, .566.

Defense was better back then.

It is better if someone is in your face.

 

[Fixit]

Defense was better back then.

It is better if someone is in your face.

Under no circumstances is two points preferable to three. As far as "defenses being better," that's also debatable, because the majority of the league sucked defensively in the 80's and 90's, just as today.

At any rate, teams game plan to stop Curry, and he abuses them. Even when the defender plays perfect in-your-face defense, Curry blows by him or just pulls up for a 28-footer. He creates his own shot better than anyone. Ever.

I grew up breathing Bird books and instructional DVDs, and I know that Curry's a better shooter from any range. And he's like 6" shorter.

Bird's arguably on Mt. Rushmore, but Curry's a better shooter.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Under no circumstances is two points preferable to three. As far as "defenses being better," that's also debatable, because the majority of the league sucked defensively in the 80's and 90's, just as today.

At any rate, teams game plan to stop Curry, and he abuses them. Even when the defender plays perfect in-your-face defense, Curry blows by him or just pulls up for a 28-footer. He creates his own shot better than anyone. Ever.

I grew up breathing Bird books and instructional DVDs, and I know that Curry's a better shooter from any range. And he's like 6" shorter.

Bird's arguably on Mt. Rushmore, but Curry's a better shooter.

An uncontested 2 is preferred over a contested 3. That's a philosophical thing.

We know Bird is a better player. That's fine.

Teams game planned to stop LB too and in his prime it didn't matter. He still put up 30.

Steph is great. Best player in the league. I love him.

I admit if it was LB vs a tsuami Bird would win.

In his 13 years I watched 90% of LBs games I have never seen a 15-20 ft shot blocked. Never.

 

[Kontradiction]

Well deserved. I do worry, though, that they're not going to be able to take the Cavs in the Finals.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Well deserved. I do worry, though, that they're not going to be able to take the Cavs in the Finals.

Agree.

Cavs are playing best in LeBron era.

Playing very good D.

 

[Kontradiction]

Agree.

Cavs are playing best in LeBron era.

Playing very good D.

Great D. They're knocking down their 3's as well which means that defenses can't simply crowd the paint to stop LeBron and Kyrie Irving from penetrating. The team is extremely difficult to defense. Further, Golden State, with the same team, had trouble with the Cavs last year sans Irving and Love. The Cavs have both this year and Love has, unfortunately, found his niche. The Warriors make a living on the three from time to time. The Cavs can kill you either off the dribble or from shooting beyond the arc.

 

[BobDigital]

Yes he was
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So was Mike Trout in 2014
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Plus 15 others including Frank Thomas,Griffey Jr,Pujols

The difference is that is just half the teams not all of them. Not really the same thing unless you win the entire MLB MVP. That is worth putting other MVPs in a different class.

 

[BobDigital]

I have been thinking about this on and off for the last 24 hours and i think Curry clearly is the MVP this years and deserve the unanimous MVP due to his accomplishments this year.

Also while I don't usually talk BB i have come to a bit of a revelation about it. If you can make 3 pointers nothing else matters.

Can't rebound? Doesn't matter. Can't defend? Doesn't matter. Can't make points in the paint? Doesn't matter.

In Basketball if you reliably make 3's CONSISTENTLY then it doesn't matter much if you do everything else borderline JAG level. If you are able to continuously get open for 3s and make them at a high clip you pretty much become the best player on the floor even if the rest of your game is meh.

The problem with this is of course no one consistently makes 3 pointers at a high enough clip for this to be true. That is until Steph Curry this year.

If Curry can keep this up i see no reason GS can't win it every year till he can't. It is simply that dominating and overwhelming a tactic. There is no reasonable defense for it. You going to put 2 guys on the perimeter? Someone will have a wide open easy look or be able to just go straight to the basket uncontested. There really is not much you can do about it. If you lose the 3 point battle substantially winning becomes incredibly difficult and can not be pulled off consistently.

Team A goes 7 for 20 (21 points) Team B goes 11 for 20 (33 points) 12 points is a lot to make up with equal possessions when 3 point shots can't help you bridge the gap.

 

[letekro]

The difference is that is just half the teams not all of them. Not really the same thing unless you win the entire MLB MVP. That is worth putting other MVPs in a different class.

I agree about making the distinction, but I don't think there is a MLB MVP.

 

[BobDigital]

I agree about making the distinction, but I don't think there is a MLB MVP.

No there is not. I was just kinda saying that to make a point but should have been more clear.

 

[neuronet]

This isn't OT, this is main event baby, esp in the offseason

 

[fair catch fryar]

An uncontested 2 is preferred over a contested 3. That's a philosophical thing.

We know Bird is a better player. That's fine.

Teams game planned to stop LB too and in his prime it didn't matter. He still put up 30.

Steph is great. Best player in the league. I love him.

I admit if it was LB vs a tsuami Bird would win.

In his 13 years I watched 90% of LBs games I have never seen a 15-20 ft shot blocked. Never.

I know the numbers favor Curry and he is considered by many as the best shooter and although I'm a homer, I still have to say that if the fate of the free world depended on someone needing to make to make a shot under extreme pressure, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind who would have the ball....#33.

 

[Galeb]

I know the numbers favor Curry and he is considered by many as the best shooter and although I'm a homer, I still have to say that if the fate of the free world depended on someone needing to make to make a shot under extreme pressure, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind who would have the ball....#33.

I didn't "like" this post because I agree with what you said. I don't know enough about basketball to have an educated opinion on the matter. I liked it because you wrote "favor Curry". When paired, those words are usually in the opposite order. I like the jib of your cut.

 

[Kontradiction]

I know the numbers favor Curry and he is considered by many as the best shooter and although I'm a homer, I still have to say that if the fate of the free world depended on someone needing to make to make a shot under extreme pressure, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind who would have the ball....#33.

Maybe Ray Allen, too, if Game 6 of the 2012-2013 NBA Finals was any indication.

 

[letekro]

I know the numbers favor Curry and he is considered by many as the best shooter and although I'm a homer, I still have to say that if the fate of the free world depended on someone needing to make to make a shot under extreme pressure, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind who would have the ball....#33.

#33 is a fine choice. #23 would be a fine choice as well (and I don't mean Jason Richardson). I would feel comfortable if my life rested in either pair of hands. Curry doesn't have the clutch resume yet.

 

[JPsPats]

Bird is a superior 15-20 ft shooter. Tougher defenses back then. Isn't all about 3s.

Disagree with tougher defence back then. Players today are bigger, faster, stronger, and more fit then ever with all of the advanced dieting and workouts.