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Programming note: Bill Parcells on NFLN

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Looking forward to this show; it debuts Friday night at 8. Commercials have been good - looks like they even got Belichick to talk. The link above is to a little preview, talking about Parcells and Curtis "My Favorite" Martin -- one of the great Pats picks of all-time. What a shock it was when he left. Pats got a first and third out of it and picked Robert Edwards and fullback Chris Floyd.

If mods feel the need to move this I understand, but I figured the Pats ties with this will be strong and people might be interested.
 
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Yeah, seen the ads and am definitely watching. Should be good.
 
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Couldn't pay me to watch that jackhole.
 
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Tivoed and I will watch as soon as I get back from the Celts. Looks like a very good look into the life of a life long NFLer and should provide some fun insight into Legends like LT, the Time Parcells spent in New England, and grooming the greatest HC of all time.
 
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I'm sure the Dolphins are thrilled as they collapse upon themselves.
 
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I'm sure the Dolphins are thrilled as they collapse upon themselves.

Could have been worse he quit on them 4 weeks into the season instead of say 18 weeks or so like he has been known to do
 
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"Some of these guys need to get their head out of their ass." What he did to LT before the rams game was pretty funny, it got him motivated .
 
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Tivoed and I will watch as soon as I get back from the Celts. Looks like a very good look into the life of a life long NFLer and should provide some fun insight into Legends like LT, the Time Parcells spent in New England, and grooming the greatest HC of all time.

Yup. Reality is he was a better groomer than shopper or strategist or builder... Many of his protogees took away what he did best and learned not to do what he did worst... That and they all benefitted from association with each other over time.

He was one conflicted dude throughout his life and absent the Giants championships that some guy on his defensive coaching staff had a lot to do with than most, he'd just be a character. He bailed on teams twice after accepting positions...and that was before he even started. Then there were the predictable bailouts on NY (once he lost his binky), Dallas and now Miami... And he always seems to leave chaos in his wake (including underperforming talent that often projected as better because he selected and/or motivated it...). His W-L record absent the two years the Giants won it all isn't all that impressive...

BB says he was a big picture guy who wasn't detail oriented. Somehow I think that coexisting with ownership is part of the big picture he never could acknowledge. I think as with his staffers he hated to share credit for success (although he was not nearly as stingy with the blame).
 
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Yup. Reality is he was a better groomer than shopper or strategist or builder... Many of his protogees took away what he did best and learned not to do what he did worst... That and they all benefitted from association with each other over time.

He was one conflicted dude throughout his life and absent the Giants championships that some guy on his defensive coaching staff had a lot to do with than most, he'd just be a character. He bailed on teams twice after accepting positions...and that was before he even started. Then there were the predictable bailouts on NY (once he lost his binky), Dallas and now Miami... And he always seems to leave chaos in his wake (including underperforming talent that often projected as better because he selected and/or motivated it...). His W-L record absent the two years the Giants won it all isn't all that impressive...

BB says he was a big picture guy who wasn't detail oriented. Somehow I think that coexisting with ownership is part of the big picture he never could acknowledge. I think as with his staffers he hated to share credit for success (although he was not nearly as stingy with the blame).

This seems to be a pretty accurate portrayal. With the exception of leaving chaos in his wake IMO most teams he left were better off than when he arrived. They all seemed to take steps back but I am not sure that is his fault as much as the next guys fault.

Using the Patriots as an example they were clearly 10 fold better off when he left then when he arrived. Sure ownership has a ton to do with it, but there was talent that Big Bill brought in that was core to our championship 5-6 years later and I think the backslip between big bill and little bill was due to the soft Pete Carroll who clearly was the wrong guy for the job.
 
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Parcells has always had good talent on his staff, but his exits have tarnished his legacy. His best assistant coaching talent never inherited the excellent playing talent he had assembled, because of how he exited. If he had left the Giants right after the SB season Belichick would have been coach there, instead he waited months and Belichick had jumped to Cleveland. Parcells' Patriots exit forced them to go to Carroll rather than Belichick (who Kraft has said he liked back then), and his Jets coaching exit was done in a way that Belichick felt he needed to leave. So each team ended up with inferior coaching after him and that played a big role in the teams taking a step back.
 
Anyone else watch this tonight? Great look at Parcells, with comments from Kraft, BB and Sean Peyton. Interesting to see a young BB in some clips and BB giving Parcells props. Parcells yelling at Charlie Weis on the sidelines was hilarious.

Didnt realize the man crush Curtis Martin had for Parcells - he was like a father figure to him and many other players.
 
I thought it was exceptionally well done. Love him or hate him, Parcells is a fascinating guy.
 
“I wanted to be late so you’d have somebody to yell at for NFL Films,” Belichick to Parcells when walking into a meeting room during the Pats yrs..
 
“I wanted to be late so you’d have somebody to yell at for NFL Films,” Belichick to Parcells when walking into a meeting room during the Pats yrs..

I saw that, BB is pretty jokes when he decides to be.
I'm just wondering is it true that BB and BP aren't good anymore because of BB declining the Jets job?
 
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Bill Parcells, who has never won a single playoff game without Bill Belichick on his staff, is the master of taking horrible teams and winning 10 or 11 games before losing in the Wild Card. That is exactly what he did with all 3 teams he took over without Belichick - meaning the Patriots (before he got Belichick back), Cowboys and Dolphins.

If you're a horrible team looking for respect and media attention and trying to rally the fanbase, hire the man. If you're a horrible team (or even a not-so-horrible team) looking for a Lombardi, go in another direction.
 
I dunna know. Parcells has his faults no question but NFL history is littered with great coaches who because of their egos, had run-ins with ownership or management and moved on.

Lombardi- Packers to Redskins
Paul Brown- Browns to Bengals
Shula- Colts to Dolphins

Tuna is no different IMO. Hes a serial entrepreneur. Once, in his mind hes done a good job, he starts to get antsy.

Either way, the way he left NE was deplorable. But I also think that they do not go to the SB w/o him.
 
Either way, the way he left NE was deplorable. But I also think that they do not go to the SB w/o him.

I think he had no other choice but to leave. Kraft and Bobby Greer were about to destroy the teams with a series of disastrous drafts and Parcells would have taken the blame. It happens all the time; a good coach gets a job with a lousy personnel system / GM and the coach gets the axe. Parcells was smart enough to get out in time. It is too bad that Kraft could not have been convinced to take a hands-off policy (as he has now for the most part) before Parcells left.
 
I think he had no other choice but to leave. Kraft and Bobby Greer were about to destroy the teams with a series of disastrous drafts and Parcells would have taken the blame. It happens all the time; a good coach gets a job with a lousy personnel system / GM and the coach gets the axe. Parcells was smart enough to get out in time. It is too bad that Kraft could not have been convinced to take a hands-off policy (as he has now for the most part) before Parcells left.

Right, Parcells left because he knew bad decisions would be made. He can see the future. Thats why he leaves everywhere, right? Give me a break How could Kraft have been hands off when Parcells was threatening to retire every year? They needed some accountability there. I am sure Kraft would noy be hands off if BB told him he might not be back next year.
 
I saw that, BB is pretty jokes when he decides to be.
I'm just wondering is it true that BB and BP aren't good anymore because of BB declining the Jets job?

That was the case for several years. They buried the hatchet a couple of years ago when Tuna was still in Dallas and he lost his brother, who was his only real best (contemporary) friend to cancer. He said at the time he realized that he didn't really have a lot of close friends and it had something to do with his behavior towards the guys who should have been his closest friends. So he made amends with them, including first and foremost BB, and they are now good friends. BB had to leave the JETS if he was ever going to have a shot at succeeding on his own merits, and he knew that at the time because he knew Bill and knew he was never really going to leave and that if the JETS failed it would dog BB and if they succeeded it would be because of the man upstairs...

And while he may have gotten better at tempering his ego, even now as he departs Miami there were sources leaking less than flattering assessments of Ireland's capability to be a GM/talent evaluator and simultaneous reports that Sporano had essentially free reign in the coaching dept (lest what is unraveling now be somehow linked to Tuna...). If they win he'd have gotten most of the credit, if they lose his liability is limited to hey, I brought them together and gave them an opportunity and they didn't make the most of it.

Just like in Dallas it started to be about who was picking the groceries (even though he got things he wanted including a veteran QB Jones wasn't keen on ahead of Romo) when it began coming up frustratingly short because when it doesn't work it can't be him. Truth is his way doesn't work nearly as well as it used to because today's players are so egotistical and empowered financially many of them can't be motivated by a wiley old school coach's barbs. That ended in the 80's after FA and escalating contracts with hefty signing bonuses and implicit guarantees due to cap ramifications meant that guy screaming at you could no longer necessarily end your career on a whim - and you could just as likely get his ass fired....

I think that was another thing BB realized was the way the business of the game was headed - which is why while demanding accountability and running a disciplined system he utilizes a player core to police it and he makes extra effort to avoid guys however talented who may need external motivation or special handling to achieve their potential. As a position coach and coordinator he hated the way Tuna had different rules for his elite talent like LT. Tuna figured he needed LT to perform to win, so he did whatever it took to get LT motivated to perform, including sometimes looking the other way. That made it difficult for his staff to grapple with when it came to maintaining discipline and performance across the board, and made it hard to sustain. But Tuna never cared about sustaining it since he was always poised to move on from success (or eventually lack thereof) to the next challenge.

That is why he and Kraft butted heads. It wasn't a case of conflicting egos - the experienced coach vs. the meddlesome neophyte owner. That was just how Tuna spun it. For Bob is was about how can I entrust everything to a guy who keeps telling me he's not sure he's gonna be here next season... Remember, that issue - Tuna's committment phobia - preceeded the superbowl season. It was rooted in the apparent struggle to succeed that didn't get turned around until he got that defensive genius who got canned in Cleveland back on his staff here in 1996...just in time to impact a lot of performances. But by then it was too late to do over the soured relationship he had engineered with Kraft to validate his decision to move on.

I thought it was indicative of his remaining underlying ego issues that in last nights program he had to underscore how talented he left the organization it was so difficult for him to leave because he was not being allowed to shop for the groceries...LOL I'll tell you what... The man in the mirror remains to this day a piece of work - that's for sure. I'm glad for him as a human being that he's comfortable with the guy. But don't believe for a minute he didn't have humongus warts, several of which are rooted so deeply they will remain 'til the day he dies... He's not a bad or evil guy per se, and football clearly matters to him, but he is a self absorbed guy and in many respects something of a front runner... He loves winning, the process not so much... and not at all if it doesn't always go his way. Lucky for us BB is a process guy. And not remotely self absorbed. That is also why after more years into the pro game than his supposed mentor, the game doesn't grind on him as it does on so many - including that mentor.
 
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