OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[sb1]

Manning won super bowls with two different teams and Favre, Warner, and Montana went to the conference championship games with their new teams. Brady has more talent around him than any of them. Pressure's on...

Nah. What Brady does now is gravy. He doesn't have to prove a thing to anyone to enhance his legacy, that's already set. Whether he wins or not doesn't change anything. But winning it for sure will remove that talking point from the Fivehead fans over Brady.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You are hilarious. There's 0 pressure. The standards you set for TB12 are ridiculous. Oh Bill you are a genius for 7 wins. Brady.. you suck you didn't win a SB. I guess every QB in the league is hot garbage. Rodgers has the best WR in football according to PFF and a top RB and OL. He better win the superbowl or he's garbage. Manning...better cancel the HOF.... only 2 Superbowls and you sucked in a few that you played? Cancel that **** you are not worthy.

And you obviously didn't read anything I wrote about Bill in this thread. I never said he was a genius for 7 wins. I didn't say Brady would suck if he didn't win the SB. I merely saying that with all the chest-thumping on this thread about how Bill is nothing without Tom, then Tom better do well in the postseason like some of his previous counterparts.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Manning won super bowls with two different teams and Favre, Warner, and Montana went to the conference championship games with their new teams. Brady has more talent around him than any of them. Pressure's on...

Yes - his legacy is really in the balance. If he is unable to a dominant post season like Manning did in 2015 it will leave a mark he can never recover from.

 

[Tottie]

And you obviously didn't read anything I wrote about Bill in this thread. I never said he was a genius for 7 wins. I didn't say Brady would suck if he didn't win the SB. I merely saying that with all the chest-thumping on this thread about how Bill is nothing without Tom, then Tom better do well in the postseason like some of his previous counterparts.

You said Superbowl or bust many times. Look it's obvious you are just defending this team but come on man. Your takes are insane. Some people have been anti BB to insane levels but your counter of bashing Brady hasn't really rung home with anyone. There is 0 pressure it's house money as was said up above by another poster. Enjoy the ride man. If you can't that's cool. I love watching Brady but I still can't make myself like Tampa even a little bit so I can understand some people not giving 2 ****s about them at all.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yes - his legacy is really in the balance. If he is unable to a dominant post season like Manning did in 2015 it will leave a mark he can never recover from.

Regardless Manning ended up winning it with another team.

 

[203Pat]

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You said Superbowl or bust many times. Look it's obvious you are just defending this team but come on man. Your takes are insane. Some people have been anti BB to insane levels but your counter of bashing Brady hasn't really rung home with anyone. There is 0 pressure it's house money as was said up above by another poster. Enjoy the ride man. If you can't that's cool. I love watching Brady but I still can't make myself like Tampa even a little bit so I can understand some people not giving 2 ****s about them at all.

Look unless Brady does it with another team (deep playoff run), the argument that BIll is nothing without him goes out the window. I'm not talking about his legacy amongst NFL fans in general, but this is more directed towards the Bill vs Brady debate amongst Pats fans. He has more weapons at his disposal than at any point in his career, so he better deliver if the argument that he made Belichick is going to hold any water. Right now, without Bill:

1-5 vs playoff teams

10-0 vs non-playoff teams

10 TDs, 9 INTS vs playoff teams

30 TDs, 3 INTS vs non playoff teams

 

[1960Pats]

Yes - his legacy is really in the balance. If he is unable to a dominant post season like Manning did in 2015 it will leave a mark he can never recover from.

Manning was far from dominant in 2015. Denver's defense was though. The SB MVP was Von Miller.

 

[Tottie]

Look unless Brady does it with another team (deep playoff run), the argument that BIll is nothing without him goes out the window. I'm not talking about his legacy amongst NFL fans in general, but this is more directed towards the Bill vs Brady debate amongst Pats fans. He has more weapons at his disposal than at any point in his career, so he better deliver if the argument that he made Belichick is going to hold any water.

No. None of that makes sense. It's not all or nothing in one season. If that were the case I could say BB was a bum after his days in Cleveland. You already know all this though.

 

[Doctor DDS]

Manning was far from dominant in 2015. Denver's defense was though. The SB MVP was Von Miller.

Sorry - I thought my sarcasm was evident. If Manning had led them to the Championship in 2013 behind their great offense it would have meant something. I do not blame him for 2015 as his body had clearly shut down but I do not give him much credit for it either.

 

[1960Pats]

Brady struggled with long passes earlier this season with TB but he seems to have come around. It's funny how every time even the slightest fault shows up in Brady's game and people start to criticizes him for it, he fixes the problem and shuts them up. It's almost like he works at his game.

 

[farn]

Tom Brady is the closest to Bobby Orr that Boston fans have ever had. Both were GOATs in and out of sports.

OT, but not being from Boston, I'd choose Gretzky if I was starting a team. Again, a star on and off the ice...

 

[1960Pats]

Sorry - I thought my sarcasm was evident. If Manning had led them to the Championship in 2013 behind their great offense it would have meant something. I do not blame him for 2015 as his body had clearly shut down but I do not give him much credit for it either.

My bad. The problem is that I have the poster to which you were responding on ignore.

 

[1960Pats]

OT, but not being from Boston, I'd choose Gretzky if I was starting a team. Again, a star on and off the ice...

For sure, and if he played in Boston I'd agree.

 

[PP2]

Tom Brady is the closest to Bobby Orr that Boston fans have ever had. Both were GOATs in and out of sports.

Huh? Orr only won two cups.

Bill Russell is the benchmark by which all Boston athletes will be measured against, before or hereafter, forever with his 11 championships. Brady is in second place.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

No. None of that makes sense. It's not all or nothing in one season. If that were the case I could say BB was a bum after his days in Cleveland. You already know all this though.

Because you are not comprehending...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Brady has already accomplished his “legacy goal” in Tampa. The concern about Brady was never about his ability to win but how much ThE SyStEm masked his supposed weaknesses compared to other all-time great QBs. That has already been answered and in a dramatic way, considering the Tampa offense is stylistically so different and emphasizes downfield passing. At 43, he just put up a season filled with highlight reel plays.

Even the most casual football fan understands this was the actual question about Brady.

Concerns about Manning when he went to Denver were about his inability to play well in the biggest games. He may have won a SB, but he was exactly the same as in Indy, crapping his pants. That’s why no one legitimately argues he’s the greatest anymore.

There are maybe three people left in the world who think Brady has anything to lose...one of them lives in this thread.

 

[1960Pats]

Now that the Pats are done I'm going to enjoy being a Tompa Bay Gronkaneer fan. Anyone who doesn't think they have a chance to win it all hasn't been watching Brady for the last 20 years.

 

[upstater1]

Doesn't even account for all the deep balls that were on target but were called DPIs. Now, I'm sure other QBs had a few of those, but I doubt they had more than Brady. I bet Brady had at least 8 over the season.

 

[amfootball]

Brady has already accomplished his “legacy goal” in Tampa. The concern about Brady was never about his ability to win but how much ThE SyStEm masked his supposed weaknesses compared to other all-time great QBs. That has already been answered and in a dramatic way, considering the Tampa offense is stylistically so different and emphasizes downfield passing. At 43, he just put up a season filled with highlight reel plays.

Even the most casual football fan understands this was the actual question about Brady.

Concerns about Manning when he went to Denver were about his inability to play well in the biggest games. He may have won a SB, but he was exactly the same as in Indy, crapping his pants. That’s why no one legitimately argues he’s the greatest anymore.

There are maybe three people left in the world who think Brady has anything to lose...one of them lives in this thread.

I just posted the same thing about a page back. Brady's legacy was proving he could win/play elite without the Pats/Bill and he did that while Bill floundered without him and is now being questioned as a GM as a result. That is what was on the line this season. It was never about the Super Bowl but how each team faired and Brady won in a landslide.