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OT: Do people really believe this sh*t?

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I know several Colts fans and this Vinateri thing seems to be their newest shtick to try and knock Brady. The dumbest part of it is the fact Peyton also hasn't won a superbowl without Vinateri, and the year Manning won a superbowl he needed Vinateri to go 5 of 5 and his defense to get him great field position when he could do absolutely nothing against Baltimore.

When Brady was winning superbowls, he was playing within the system. He was a dink and dunk game manager because that's what kept his defense fresh and off the field and it's all he could do with the likes of Troy Brown and Deion Branch. Rather than whine about Brady being overrated, Coltfan should worry more about Bill Polian designing a team that requires his QB to have a 35 TD season and attempt 50 passes a game.
 
You haven't heard, it's all those great weapons that make Manning the player he is. At least most Indy fans now understand that was never the case. We are watching the tail end of the GOAT and i will enjoy every minute of it.

BTW, it was mostly NE fans yelling that crap about all the weapons Manning had. Brady has won nothing since having his all pros on offense because teams win SB's not great players on offense.

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It's laughable when you consider Harrison and Wayne may of been the best Wide Receiver tandem of all time. Even now the Wayne Clark duo beats any tight end wide out combination.

Brady has done nothing with his weapons besides putting up one of the best seasons of all time.Then he proceeded to lead his team on a nice touchdown drive allowing his great defense to choke a Superbowl victory away five or six times.

Compare that to Manning who could of drove his team down the field for a tying score but instead he threw a pick six costing them a Super Bowl win.
 
What happened to the career of Deion Branch when he left here?...David Givens?,David Patten?

The truth be known those WRs were a better player because Brady made them better...if he was so average those players might never have made it too far in the league and none of those mentioned were any better when they left NE.
 
When all is said and done, you can take all of the regular season stuff and all of the arguments and talk and talk about them, but here is the bottom line:

The Patriots and Colts organizations have both given their all-world quarterbacks great supporting casts and put them in position to win championships many times. Anyone who argues that the Colts are a garbage team without Manning is just stupid. The Colts have lots of terrific players. Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, Antoine Bethea, just to name a few. The Colts would not be 4-12 without Manning. They've had a top defense several times in the last few years, and they play in a dome, so they should allow (and score) more points. Yes, Brady has had an overall better supporting cast in the big picture, but the gap is not that great.

The results are that Manning has won a single championship, and that was around an all-around underachieving playoff performance that he personally put together in 2006. You can't blame the organization for losses in 2005, 2007, 2008 (when Brady wasn't even playing) 2009, when the Colts had championship caliber defenses and skill players. These were golden opportunities. The "bad supporting cast" argument essentially died after 2004.

Brady has won three championships and put his team in position to win a 4th in 2007, when he played a great game considering the amount of pressure he was facing (makes me laugh to hear Polian complaining about the pass protection last year when Brady was swallowed up on every play.)

I just don't think you can make rational argument that Brady has much better coaching, defenses, or supporting cast anymore. After 2004, the Colts have been better in those categories.
 
They're Colts fans. Who cares what Colts fans think?
 
Without Peyton Manning, the Colts are a 4-12 team. So who cares?

Anyone who knows anything about football knows that Brady is one of the best all time.

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Peyton Manning is a great quarterback, but if you want to befuddle a Colts fan who criticizes Brady for having a great kicker and good defense on his championship seasons, just point out that Manning had the worst postseason EVER for a Super Bowl winning QB in 2006. You can look up the numbers. 3 TD 7 INT. I wonder if Brady has ever relied on his kicker and D that much to bring home a Lombardi...
 
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Colts fans would like to believe it all, simply put.
 
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