PostGame Thread Official Post Game Thread: Pats destroy the Browns

[50-yard-line]

Harry 35 snaps (actually 8 more than Bourne).
LaCosse 9 snaps (I think most/all in garbage time).

So apparently Harry brings something LaCosse doesn't.

Harry contributed with his blocking.
Agholor (47 snaps to Meyer's 48) contributes by forcing a safety to stay back. So he's part of the run game too with his wind sprints, just indirectly. That long incompletion to Agholor was worth something in the chess match. Fantasy football isn't real football - it's easy for some fans to confuse the two.

Meyers was 4/4 49 yesterday.
Bourne was 4/4 98
Henry was 4/4 37
Agholor was 2/4 21, +2 10+ DPIs. Of the two misses, one wasn't close, and the other was just a bit overthrown by Jones, into double coverage, that might well have been a TD if it was about a foot shorter.
Oh, Bolden was 3/3 38
Harry 1/1 26 (anyone notice that he's catching everything thrown near him?)
Stevenson 4/5 14

So, if you play the Bills, job 1 is stopping Diggs. If you play the Pats, who are you focusing on?

Which is kind of the point.

 

[50-yard-line]

They'd better figure it out with Jonnu because $12M/year is a disaster if they can't use him well. As you said, 4 years, can't cut him or trade him without a massive massive cap hit. So yes better figure it out.

Oh just stop it, okay? It's not a "disaster." They are spreading the ball around between 3 wrs, two TEs, and RBs. (See above). This is the team they want to be. They're all getting between 4-6 targets a game, typically.

A disaster is when you pay a QB godly money $40+/per and he gets hurt. A contributing TE at 12+ is not a disaster, and by the time you get to years 3 and 4 in this contract, neither Henry nor Smith will be anywhere near the most expensive TEs in the game. There are about 8 guys on their rookie deals right now who are going to get paid, and with rare exception, they're not better than Smith or Henry, they're just targeted more.

 

[captain stone]

Dugger really showed a lot. He's making the leap as a pass defender. What's his ideal long term spot? Strong safety ? Both Dugger and Philips are good, want to keep both on the field. Can either of them potentially replace DMac later or do they have to find a FS replacement.

Perhaps SloJuan could become our FS of the Future, because he sure as heck's not gonna make it here as a CB... Shaun the Concussion Wade's another possibility, because he had a rep at Ohio State as an excellent tackler and was also awful as an outside CB last year...

 

[Bill Lee]

They'd better figure it out with Jonnu because $12M/year is a disaster if they can't use him well. As you said, 4 years, can't cut him or trade him without a massive massive cap hit. So yes better figure it out.

Such hyperbole. No one gets all their FAs right. We may be paying Jonnu too much, but we may not be paying Judon enough. We'll survive the "disaster", IMO.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Oh just stop it, okay? It's not a "disaster." They are spreading the ball around between 3 wrs, two TEs, and RBs. (See above). This is the team they want to be. They're all getting between 4-6 targets a game, typically.

A disaster is when you pay a QB godly money $40+/per and he gets hurt. A contributing TE at 12+ is not a disaster, and by the time you get to years 3 and 4 in this contract, neither Henry nor Smith will be anywhere near the most expensive TEs in the game. There are about 8 guys on their rookie deals right now who are going to get paid, and with rare exception, they're not better than Smith or Henry, they're just targeted more.

Look at the 2022 cap. It is a disaster if you're trying to keep JC and other great young players and you're out of space because there are players like Jonnu and Wynn taking up $22M in cap space (and other players).

I never said to force targets. I always said they had 6 good pass catchers and don't need to chase an expensive stud WR. I'm all for the 'pass to the open guy' offensive philosophy. I saw somewhere this week someone complained they only passed it 13 times to WRs. What a dumb thought. It doesn't matter how many passes went to WRs, you want to attack all parts of the field and pass it to the open guy, not force it to a position group. My issue with Jonnu, Wynn, and others is how it wrecks who else they can keep in 2022 and beyond.

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[DropKickFlutie]

Perhaps SloJuan could become our FS of the Future, because he sure as heck's not gonna make it here as a CB... Shaun the Concussion Wade's another possibility, because he had a rep at Ohio State as an excellent tackler and was also awful as an outside CB last year...

I haven't noticed #33 in any egregious plays the last couple weeks so that's a good sign for him. If SloJuan can play zone then sure let's try this experiment.

It's an interesting problem to have both Philips and Dugger be good players but neither is a true FS, both of them are hybrid/box Strong Safety types who can play the run, cover a TE, but you don't want them playing slot corner or to cover WRs if you can help it. It's an unusual secondary where they are short/thin on good man-cover cornerbacks but have 2 good SS's.

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[patsfanincleveland]

One of the added benefits about yesterday is that a lot of supposed Pats fans who are actually Bucs fans now, but constantly trash Belichick, Jones, and the Pats are mostly persona non grata today. Without pointing fingers at individuals, some of these people are insufferable.

I don't really go to the Tom Brady forum. I assume they are there.

It is rather noticeable how much better threads flow without the "insight" of the Douche Awry.

 

[BTTA]

SMH at fans that get all worked up because the Pats have two or three players on the roster that are being overpaid in relation to their current performance.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

SMH at fans that get all worked up because the Pats have two or three players on the roster that are being overpaid in relation to their current performance.

It's more pertinent to 2022 and beyond. it becomes a problem for anyone who understands math. But you can cry later when someone explains to you later why we can't afford to keep JC Jackson.

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[captain stone]

Funny, not funny moment early in the game. Pats stop Browns only to have Uche blatantly and needlessly encroach the LOS. 5 yards, Browns still alive. A wicked pissed BB waives Uche over to him but camera shot moves away. Shortly thereafter camera back to view a still steaming BB speaking clearly into his chin mic "Bleeping bleep hole!" Uche in the canine home.

Found the play... 12:38 left in first half... 3rd/9 for Brownies at their own 35, down 14-7... Ref called the penalty on #95, who wasn't on the field... The INC/near-pick by JCJack was the very next play on 3rd/4, so no harm no foul in this case... Bill however absolutely said "that ****ing azzhole" right in front of the camera, no doubt about it.

 

[mike_usagisan]

It's more pertinent to 2022 and beyond. it becomes a problem for anyone who understands math. But you can cry later when someone explains to you later why we can't afford to keep JC Jackson.

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I don’t think the problem is the math (because you’re right), it’s your timing. We’re coming off a great win, past trade deadline, trying to make it to playoffs, and you’re talking about cap issues and free agency. Can we check back in on this problem after the Super Bowl when you’ll probably have a lot more people agreeing with you and wanting to talk about it.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I don’t think the problem is the math (because you’re right), it’s your timing. We’re coming off a great win, past trade deadline, trying to make it to playoffs, and you’re talking about cap issues and free agency. Can we check back in on this problem after the Super Bowl when you’ll probably have a lot more people agreeing with you and wanting to talk about it.

I hear ya. It's a good point. I do tend to think about the future and predict or plan ahead. Not the first time I've raised an issue that becomes a widely accepted thought 6-12 months later, when today I totally get that people aren't even thinking past week11 right now. I also think it's a fixable problem, I think Jonnu is really talented, so it's just a matter of getting him the ball more in space and stop making him a blocker which he's not good at.

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[jah]

Smith is here for four years, Agholor for two. He's a UFA after next season.

I'm not talking about how long the contracts are, I'm talking about how soon we can get out of them.

 

[captain stone]

Harry 35 snaps (actually 8 more than Bourne).
LaCosse 9 snaps (I think most/all in garbage time).

So apparently Harry brings something LaCosse doesn't.

Harry contributed with his blocking.
Agholor (47 snaps to Meyer's 48) contributes by forcing a safety to stay back. So he's part of the run game too with his wind sprints, just indirectly. That long incompletion to Agholor was worth something in the chess match. Fantasy football isn't real football - it's easy for some fans to confuse the two.

I thought that was an excellent pass by Mac, just where it needed to be, and that Agholor should've been able to run underneath it... I also thought that this dude couldn't be over-thrown, especially by somebody like Mac?

 

[mike_usagisan]

I hear ya. It's a good point. I do tend to think about the future and predict or plan ahead. Not the first time I've raised an issue that becomes a widely accepted thought 6-12 months later, when today I totally get that people aren't even thinking past week11 right now. I also think it's a fixable problem, I think Jonnu is really talented, so it's just a matter of getting him the ball more in space and stop making him a blocker which he's not good at.

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I think that’s exactly right. Maybe he’s Cordell Peterson, who took us a while to figure out to use him. Or maybe he never makes it. With so many new parts on this team, it just seems like you never know when it’s going to click for all of them.

 

[captain stone]

I think Bourne is the best WR on the team. Need to get him more involved.

I wouldn't call the Bourne signing "under-rated"... He signed a big contract, after all, and very early too...

 

[PScottman]

Let me ask you. What is Mac Jones' glaring weakness? I am not trying to say he is an elite QB or even a top QB in the league. But even the elite QBs like Brady have at least one glaring weakness even if it is difficult to exploit (Brady's is he is susceptible to the inside rush and getting hit too much). I don't think Jones' glaring weakness has been exposed yet. That is an advantage for the Pats at least until it is exposed.

I think you answered your own question - the last two games where he struggled - it was because the rush had sped up his internal clock where he was rushing his decision making, and therefore his throws - so he was less efficient and effective. He still was clutch in necessary moments, but when he takes a couple sacks that can (based on what we have seen so far) impact his play. (example: the Gilmore INT was a rushed throw)

That said, small sample size to know versus guess. Let's see if he has another "hit early/often" game (or games) and if he starts rushing a little again before we say it's truly a weakness or just part of his growth as a rookie.

 

[50-yard-line]

I'm not talking about how long the contracts are, I'm talking about how soon we can get out of them.

Doing so would be kind of dumb, but since you asked: Agholor at the end of next year.

Smith after 2023, with a 3.75m hit.

The Pats don't put phony years on guys they want, typically. And they wanted, and still want, I'd bet, these two.

 

[captain stone]

Under the radar storyline

Bryant has been $ every position he lined up. Possibly most influential PS signing across the league esp. considering NE DB depth.

Some here kept Bryant on the PatsPicker 53 because they felt that he was the best candidate in camp to be Jonathan Jones' backup at Slot CB, and he appears to have not disappointed so far... I especially like his aggressive tackling, he seems to enjoy that part of it... I would not, however, give him many significant snaps at either Outside CB or at FS, he just doesn't have the body for those positions.

 

[50-yard-line]

I wouldn't call the Bourne signing "under-rated"... He signed a big contract, after all, and very early too...

3/15 is a "big contract" for a WR in what universe?