No Comp Picks for the Patriots

[Triumph]

Its no big deal.

The Pats have enough picks this draft anyway.

 

[PATSNUTme]

The Patriots will get 1 or more 7th rounders before the draft is over via trades. The value of 7th rounders is greater this year with no UDFA's.

No one has any idea when they may be able to add UDFA's to the roster. The longer they can't practice with mini camps and training camp, the less of a chance they will have making a roster.

That is not fact just my opinion based on common sense.

 

[jmt57]

Largely, but not entirely, correct.

Only certain UFAs count in the calculations. The short version is:

* The player must not have been waived by his old team.
* The player must sign a contract with his new team before a certain deadline, and must remain on the team for a certain length of time.
* The player must sign a contract worth at least slightly more than the vet minimum.

No team that has signed more qualifying FAs than it lost has ever gotten a comp pick.

When teams lose more than they sign, they try to "cancel out" contracts as best they can (i.e., a player with a $1M contract will cancel out a $2M contract instead of a $6M contract). [The primary determinant of what round a pick is slotted in is the average annual value of the contract.]

If a team loses as many as it signs, it may get a late comp 7 if the players lost are significantly better than the players signed.

Thanks for posting what factors go in to receiving a compensatory pick; there's a lot of misinformation out there on the topic.

To me one part of the process that would seem to make sense to remove is the 'must remain with the new team for a certain amount of time' portion of the formula. Think of the word compensatory; the picks are compensation for losing a player via free agency - i.e., being out bid for that player. What happens after that should be for the most part irrelevant. Just because the player may become available again later on should not be a factor because by then the old team would have been forced to find another player, and pay him.

I know this sounds like whining in regards to not getting a pick for losing Jarvis Green, but that was only borderline. A better example would be Tampa Bay losing Antonio Bryant to the Bengals, where he signed a $28 million contract with $8 million guaranteed. Because Bryant never played a down for Cincinnati the Bucs received nothing in return. In my opinion the $8 million that Bryant did receive should have been the biggest factor in the formula, rather than how many games he did or did not play. Once the player signs elsewhere anything else should be very minor in what that pick should be.

In addition, the rule stating compensatory picks cannot be traded should be done away with; there's no need for that.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I know this sounds like whining in regards to not getting a pick for losing Jarvis Green, but that was only borderline. A better example would be Tampa Bay losing Antonio Bryant to the Bengals, where he signed a $28 million contract with $8 million guaranteed. Because Bryant never played a down for Cincinnati the Bucs received nothing in return. In my opinion the $8 million that Bryant did receive should have been the biggest factor in the formula, rather than how many games he did or did not play. Once the player signs elsewhere anything else should be very minor in what that pick should be.

In addition, the rule stating compensatory picks cannot be traded should be done away with; there's no need for that.

To be precise, it's not because he "never played a down," but because they waived him.

I understand your point, although I'm not sure it would improve the system.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

The Patriots will get 1 or more 7th rounders before the draft is over via trades. The value of 7th rounders is greater this year with no UDFA's.

No one has any idea when they may be able to add UDFA's to the roster. The longer they can't practice with mini camps and training camp, the less of a chance they will have making a roster.

That is not fact just my opinion based on common sense.

My bet would be on the 7th or 8th pick of the 7th round, both currently held by SF. The Niners got 2 compensatorys in the 7th round given them 4 picks in that round ( the last two not tradeable)

 

[jmt57]

To be precise, it's not because he "never played a down," but because they waived him.

I understand your point, although I'm not sure it would improve the system.

Well, my idea was that if compensatory picks are supposed to be compensation for free agents lost to another team, simply tie the comp pick formula to what each player the team lost was signed for/made his first year; then adjust similarly for each free agent the team gained that qualified (had played out his contract rather than being cut, and that was signed prior to July 1). In my opinion what does or does not happen later (pro bowl, being cut before the season starts) should have very little or no impact on the compensatory pick formula.

 

[lurker1965]

Goodell is still commissioner right?

Yes?

Oh...well then I'm not surprised.

Bingo! Oh for the complete idiots who say this is not Goodell's fault, so? I bash him because I can. Deal with it.

yep lots of hypocrites

every team's board has ******s who bash goodell for "being against their team"

bunch of morons lol

Hey jcdouchey,
Yes, it was 100% fair him taking a first round draft pick for interpreting a rule so confusing it got superseded by a memo.
Yes, it was 100% fair of him to suspend rapistburger when no court even arraigned him, let alone convicted him.
Yes it was 100% fair for him to tell Peter King things people thought were in confidence because he was never told "off the record, commissioner."
You actually need more examples of his being as stupid as you claim others are?

Before you complain I called you a douche, you opened the door by calling everyone who hates Goodell a moron, so deal with yourself.

 

[lurker1965]

Its no big deal.

The Pats have enough picks this draft anyway.

I agree, How many late rounders hit? Yes, there are examples like Tom Brady but for every 1 that hits there must be like 20 that are out of the league in a few years.

Of course, what else can we talk about in March?

 

[PatsFanSince74]

CT - While you have been "saying this for awhile", it doesn't mean the Pats weren't hosed.

Ben Watson was signed for $4 million a year. Look at Watson's production in Cleveland.

68 Receptions - 763 Yards, 3 TDs.

Alge Crumpler was signed for under $2 million a year. Compare that to Crumpler's production:

6 Receptions - 52 Yards- 2 TDs

How anyone can say that the two were comparable and off-setting is just lunacy.

Not saying you're wrong or right, but I think there's a formula used for that. Does anyone have it?