New IR Rule for start of season

[h0c2000]

New NFL injured reserve rule and how it is coming into play for the Lions

In past years, a player's season was over if they were placed on the injured reserve before the final roster cutdowns. However, a rule change adopted by the NFL in 2024 means that's not necessarily the case anymore. And that new rule change could come into play for…

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Do the Pats put anyone on IR to free up one or two slots at the deadline Tuesday? Lowe for one maybe?

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t think the patriots have any players they need to save a spot for. Getting up to 53 will be harder than getting down to 53

 

[Taxed in Maine]

Bourne and Barmore?

 

[Sicilian]

Bourne and Barmore?

Barmore definitely, though is there an NFI/Illness list that could be used instead? Moot because I don't think they have enough players they'll need this for to warrant trying to save a spot.

Bourne can go on PUP since he started camp there, so he doesn't need this rule.

But basically any player that's injured that they think needs at least three weeks would be worth using this on. There's no real downside to it in that case. If a player is close to returning though it doesn't make sense as they'd be unable to practice for four weeks, as I understand it.

 

[Ross12]

Barmore definitely, though is there an NFI/Illness list that could be used instead? Moot because I don't think they have enough players they'll need this for to warrant trying to save a spot.

Bourne can go on PUP since he started camp there, so he doesn't need this rule.

But basically any player that's injured that they think needs at least three weeks would be worth using this on. There's no real downside to it in that case. If a player is close to returning though it doesn't make sense as they'd be unable to practice for four weeks, as I understand it.

I don't think Barmore can utilize NFI because he already had practiced this offseason. So I do think he will be one "day-of" IR choice. Bourne, Strange and Takitaki will start on PUP so no need for IR for them.

I'm not sure who the other pick will be if they use it, but I'd say Marte Mapu makes sense. I can see them carrying Lowe for a day on the 53 while claiming some linemen, and then placing Lowe on traditional IR after a day passes once their claims process.

 

[Pape]

Is there a limit on PUP designations?

I would think Cole Strange will be one. Based on my limited understanding of his injury, he's going to be out awhile.

Barmore? Based on David Andrews missing the season because of blood clots, I'd lean to Barmore not being available for the whole of 2024.

Bourne would be the other one... can bring him back slowly that way, allow him a full recovery before rushing him back...

can't think of any others...

 

[mgteich]

Is there a limit on PUP designations?

I would think Cole Strange will be one. Based on my limited understanding of his injury, he's going to be out awhile.

Barmore? Based on David Andrews missing the season because of blood clots, I'd lean to Barmore not being available for the whole of 2024.

Bourne would be the other one... can bring him back slowly that way, allow him a full recovery before rushing him back...

can't think of any others...

There is no limit to PUP designations.

2 IR's to return don't count against the 53-man roster.

There will be a total of 8 IR to return for the season; any used on Tuesday would count towards the 8.

 

[JohnJH]

I don’t think the patriots have any players they need to save a spot for. Getting up to 53 will be harder than getting down to 53

If healthy, I would really like for them to keep Jaheim Bell. But not just as a Receiving TE, but also as a RB. He could provide some help in that area, at least as an Emergency RB. I'm concerned that if lost, he could be one of those players that thrives on a team that utilizes him properly.

 

[mgteich]

If healthy, I would really like for them to keep Jaheim Bell. But not just as a Receiving TE, but also as a RB. He could provide some help in that area, at least as an Emergency RB. I'm concerned that if lost, he could be one of those players that thrives on a team that utilizes him properly.

OK, I want us to keep Bell. HOWEVER, I have zero concerns about cutting him. If we don't want him as part of our 53, then I'm fine with him succeeding elsewhere. Just because a player not being the right choice for us doesn't mean that he isn't right for someone else.

Let's consider the reverse. We hope that there are players that don't make someone else's 53 that we would consider an upgrade of our 53.
Some hope for 3-5 such players.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

How many guys are actually in contention to be on the 53 man roster?

QB (4) - Brissett, Maye, Milton, Zappe
RB (4) - Stevenson, Gibson, Harris, Hasty
WR (7) - Bourne, Douglas, Thornton, Polk, Osborn, Baker, Reagor, Boutte
TE (4) - Henry, Hooper, Bell, Wilcox
OL (11) - Lowe, Sow, DAndrews, Robinson, Onwenu, Strange, Wallace, Okorafor, Leverett, Anderson, Jordan
DL (7) - Barmore, Godchaux, Eukale, Pharms, Hill, Watts, Roberts
EDGE (6) - White, Wise, Jennings, Uche, Ximines, Bradley-King
LB (6) - Bently, Tavai, Takitaki, McMillan, Giles-Harris, Elliss
CB (9) - Gonzalez, JJones, MJones, Austin, Wilson, Bolden, Dial, Hearn, Wade
S (7) - Dugger, Peppers, Hawkins, Mapu, Pettus, Schooler, Bledsoe
K (2) - Slye, Ryland
P (1) - Baringer
LS (1) - Cardona

Maybe I'm missing someone, but I'm counting 69 guys that I could see actually being in contention to make the team.

Seems like a pretty easy call to put Barmore/Strange/Bourne on some type of injured list. So now down to 66 and 13 more cuts to make. Feels like there's a surplus at WR/CB/S where we might have to cut someone we like, but other than that seems like mostly "meh" group of players to cut.

Disagree with the takes in here that we'll be hurting to get up to 53. That's extreme. But the guys worthy of making the team on the backend seem concentrated a few positions. Using the IR spots might let you sneak a couple on the team for a day before you cut them after to make room for waiver claims at spots we need more. We tend to overrate how many guys from our teams are actually at risk of being claimed though.

 

[Ring 6]

How many guys are actually in contention to be on the 53 man roster?

QB (4) - Brissett, Maye, Milton, Zappe
RB (4) - Stevenson, Gibson, Harris, Hasty
WR (7) - Bourne, Douglas, Thornton, Polk, Osborn, Baker, Reagor, Boutte
TE (4) - Henry, Hooper, Bell, Wilcox
OL (11) - Lowe, Sow, DAndrews, Robinson, Onwenu, Strange, Wallace, Okorafor, Leverett, Anderson, Jordan
DL (7) - Barmore, Godchaux, Eukale, Pharms, Hill, Watts, Roberts
EDGE (6) - White, Wise, Jennings, Uche, Ximines, Bradley-King
LB (6) - Bently, Tavai, Takitaki, McMillan, Giles-Harris, Elliss
CB (9) - Gonzalez, JJones, MJones, Austin, Wilson, Bolden, Dial, Hearn, Wade
S (7) - Dugger, Peppers, Hawkins, Mapu, Pettus, Schooler, Bledsoe
K (2) - Slye, Ryland
P (1) - Baringer
LS (1) - Cardona

Maybe I'm missing someone, but I'm counting 69 guys that I could see actually being in contention to make the team.

Seems like a pretty easy call to put Barmore/Strange/Bourne on some type of injured list. So now down to 66 and 13 more cuts to make. Feels like there's a surplus at WR/CB/S where we might have to cut someone we like, but other than that seems like mostly "meh" group of players to cut.

Disagree with the takes in here that we'll be hurting to get up to 53. That's extreme. But the guys worthy of making the team on the backend seem concentrated a few positions. Using the IR spots might let you sneak a couple on the team for a day before you cut them after to make room for waiver claims at spots we need more. We tend to overrate how many guys from our teams are actually at risk of being claimed though.

Many of those guys don’t belong in an NFL roster. You have a list of 40-45 NFL players maybe a handful that could be borderline and 15-20 guys who are practice squad at best.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Barmore? Based on David Andrews missing the season because of blood clots, I'd lean to Barmore not being available for the whole of 2024.

A reminder: Andrews had blood clots in the lungs (pulmonary embolism). AFAIK, Barmore did not. That doesn't guarantee he'll return this season, but it does increase the odds a bit.

 

[JohnJH]

OK, I want us to keep Bell. HOWEVER, I have zero concerns about cutting him. If we don't want him as part of our 53, then I'm fine with him succeeding elsewhere. Just because a player not being the right choice for us doesn't mean that he isn't right for someone else.

Let's consider the reverse. We hope that there are players that don't make someone else's 53 that we would consider an upgrade of our 53.
Some hope for 3-5 such players.

I agree with your general premise of getting players that are cut by other teams, but I'd still like to keep Bell.

 

[mgteich]

How many guys are actually in contention to be on the 53 man roster?

QB (4) - Brissett, Maye, Milton, Zappe
RB (4) - Stevenson, Gibson, Harris, Hasty
WR (7) - Bourne, Douglas, Thornton, Polk, Osborn, Baker, Reagor, Boutte
TE (4) - Henry, Hooper, Bell, Wilcox
OL (11) - Lowe, Sow, DAndrews, Robinson, Onwenu, Strange, Wallace, Okorafor, Leverett, Anderson, Jordan
DL (7) - Barmore, Godchaux, Eukale, Pharms, Hill, Watts, Roberts
EDGE (6) - White, Wise, Jennings, Uche, Ximines, Bradley-King
LB (6) - Bently, Tavai, Takitaki, McMillan, Giles-Harris, Elliss
CB (9) - Gonzalez, JJones, MJones, Austin, Wilson, Bolden, Dial, Hearn, Wade
S (7) - Dugger, Peppers, Hawkins, Mapu, Pettus, Schooler, Bledsoe
K (2) - Slye, Ryland
P (1) - Baringer
LS (1) - Cardona

Maybe I'm missing someone, but I'm counting 69 guys that I could see actually being in contention to make the team.

Seems like a pretty easy call to put Barmore/Strange/Bourne on some type of injured list. So now down to 66 and 13 more cuts to make. Feels like there's a surplus at WR/CB/S where we might have to cut someone we like, but other than that seems like mostly "meh" group of players to cut.

Disagree with the takes in here that we'll be hurting to get up to 53. That's extreme. But the guys worthy of making the team on the backend seem concentrated a few positions. Using the IR spots might let you sneak a couple on the team for a day before you cut them after to make room for waiver claims at spots we need more. We tend to overrate how many guys from our teams are actually at risk of being claimed though.

PUP: Strange, Bourne, Takitaki
IR or NFI: Barmore, Mapu

That reduces you to 64. There are at least a dozen more that could be easily cut.

 

[mgteich]

Is there a limit on PUP designations?

I would think Cole Strange will be one. Based on my limited understanding of his injury, he's going to be out awhile.

Barmore? Based on David Andrews missing the season because of blood clots, I'd lean to Barmore not being available for the whole of 2024.

Bourne would be the other one... can bring him back slowly that way, allow him a full recovery before rushing him back...

can't think of any others...

Takitaki is on the PUP list now and will stay there.

Mapu seems likely to be one of the two placed on IR on Tuesday (not counting against the 53)

 

[signbabybrady]

I don’t think the patriots have any players they need to save a spot for. Getting up to 53 will be harder than getting down to 53

Don't go fulll Sam Bam on us of course it will be hard and also we need to fit anyone we claim too.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Is there a limit on PUP designations?

I would think Cole Strange will be one. Based on my limited understanding of his injury, he's going to be out awhile.

Barmore? Based on David Andrews missing the season because of blood clots, I'd lean to Barmore not being available for the whole of 2024.

Bourne would be the other one... can bring him back slowly that way, allow him a full recovery before rushing him back...

can't think of any others...

Any way they can get Drake Maye on there? I think his finger is sore. He was shaking his hand at one point last night. They can take him off it once his offensive line, I mean finger, is better.