Moss: "I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

[livinginthe past]

Despite no Superbowl, the Randy Moss era has been great fun - 2007 was truly something i'll never forget.

Now, as for his comments about the Patriots 'not paying' thats simply groundwork for 2011 when the Patriots and him part ways.

He'll be able to point back to the 2010 offseason and claim he knew the Patriots wouldn't pay - otherwise teams will be liable to jump to the conclusion that he just isn't worth paying what he will inevitably be asking for.

If a team like the Vikings is willing to pay good money to take Favre and all his inevitable baggage for a shot at a SB (one that came pretty close to realisation) then i'm willing to believe a team will pay over the odds for a game breaker like Moss - in the hopes it puts them over the top.

Its just groundwork - players are willing to sign for the Patriots because

1. It gives them a very realstic shot at a SB.

2. The Patriots have a long history, under Belichick, of increasing the value of players.

If he's healthy, I think we can expect a huge year from Mr Moss.

 

[Kontradiction]

Its a fact they don't pay "bonus money" which directly comes from the owners pocket. They play the game of spending to the cap every year very well, which is not true by the way. Every team is given 129 mil and that's how you build your team, but to get or retain the best players that's where the owner comes in. My biggest beef with the Pats is the sort of a mean spirit attitude that permeates with BB and that organization to the players when it comes to contracts. I think your going to see very soon this will not be a destination for players in the future unless your drafted by them. The attitude will change quickly around here and on this board once the Jets take the division and kick our ass twice next year. Does anyone think the Pats are going to spend more than 100 mil this year? They will pocket the 29 mil just like a lot of these owners are going to do. In the lockout year and there will be a lock out do the teams still get the 129 mil to build there teams and if they do why would you as a business man want a season that year if you could pocket the cash and walk away with 129 mil in your pocket?

I know how the salary cap works, and a few of my favorite players have been shipped out too when the team probably could have paid them. What does this have to do, at all, with Randy Moss calling the team out in the offseason... to the media?

 

[Patjew]

Since when don't bonuses count against the cap?

Since when does someone other than the owners pay all salaries "from their pockets"?

 

[ramon]

Moss, Thomas, Samuel, throw Patriots under the bus

Like it or not the Patriots definitely now have a reputation among players as being cheap and not willing to remunerate for top performance.

In the past this was easier to overcome, because they were Super Bowl contenders every year and any Free Agent considering playing for the PATS knew they would have a crack at making the Super Bowl and improving their own reputations as a "Patriots winning type of player"

Is it time for the Patriots to evolve and perhaps get rid of the reputation as not willing to pay fairly for good performance? So that players will want to play for the Patriots. If you look at what the Eagles have done for example, I think they have been really smart. They restructure contracts early on and lock up promising players. Maybe this should have happened with both Wilfork and Samuel for example

Or should they completely ignore this reputation and keep doing what they have been..not go after top tier FAs, never be afraid to lose any player except Tom Brady and focus on draft and team players?

 

[ramon]

What Moss did is an extremely bad omen for his performance this year.
Not exactly the sign of a mature team captain who wants to set an example for other younger players.

I don't know why he felt he had to say this and I suspect he did not think of the implications.

Itsure sounds as if there is major potential for him to be a bad apple if things do not go well early on.

The Patriots better get very serious very soon about finding a really good potential successor for Moss.

Has he already decided to mail it in?

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Moss, Thomas, Samuel, throw Patriots under the bus

You couldn't have put this in the other thread? Personally, I agree with Florio. Wilfork will be franchised, Moss will have his last season of big money come in 2010 (with a modest contract offer the year after), and the money freed up from Moss' contract expiring will hopefully be used to retain Wilfork, fresh off of playing under the franchise tender.

 

[Kontradiction]

What Moss did is an extremely bad omen for his performance this year.
Not exactly the sign of a mature team captain who wants to set an example for other younger players.

I don't know why he felt he had to say this and I suspect he did not think of the implications.

Itsure sounds as if there is major potential for him to be a bad apple if things do not go well early on.

The Patriots better get very serious very soon about finding a really good potential successor for Moss.

Has he already decided to mail it in?

The Patriots do have Oakland's 2011 first rounder and it certainly sounds as if the Raiders aren't going to be any better this year. We could be looking at grabbing either one of A.J. Green or Julio Jones next season. As for Moss mailing it in, nobody can know that besides Moss himself. I certainly hope not...

 

[HarkDawg]

it wont happen.... but what kind of draft pick do you think Moss would net?


Philly imo would go balls deep on Moss

 

[HarkDawg]

What Moss did is an extremely bad omen for his performance this year.
Not exactly the sign of a mature team captain who wants to set an example for other younger players.

I don't know why he felt he had to say this and I suspect he did not think of the implications.

Itsure sounds as if there is major potential for him to be a bad apple if things do not go well early on.

The Patriots better get very serious very soon about finding a really good potential successor for Moss.

Has he already decided to mail it in?

don't be dumb..... go back numerous pages..... I listed the reasons

he cant "mail it in" if he is playing for a contract elsewhere.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Anyone else think that Tom Brady might have a say in how this plays out?

I'm not saying Tom will go to the mat for Randy, but if he says he wants Moss or a comparable number one receiver in addition to Welker (coming off an injury with an uncertain prognosis) during his own contract negotiations, somehow I think that happens. In other words, I don't think there will be a repeat of the last time Tommy signed a contract and was left without his two top receivers the next season.

 

[Rob0729]

Moss probably won't get a new contract after this year because of his age, inconsistency (every year with Brady, his production fell off at the end of the season), and probably what he is expecting. It has nothing to do with with whether the Pats pay or not. They paid Moss very well his last contract. Money that apparently no one else was ready to step up to the table and pay him except maybe Philly.

I don't care what Moss said. I think it was stupid for him to say it and probably why the Pats made a lot of effort to keep him him from the media over the years. But who really cares. Moss will play out this year (or not) and move on after this year.

 

[chevss454]

Anyone else think that Tom Brady might have a say in how this plays out?

Yep, and I would bet that TB has already spoken to RM about this.

The Pats, since BB took over anyway, have been tight-lipped and very private about business affairs. They want the players and coaches to follow suit. At the same time, they also have taken exception to being held hostage by negotiations which have gone public, hold-outs and the like. (Seymour, Branch, Law, Milloy) That's just the way it is.

Since Wilfork's initial outburst 2 wks ago, we haven't heard a thing more. Hopefully, that means negotiations are getting serious. Imo, if Wilfork comes out again, it will tell me things aren't going well.

For Randy, this is also pertinent, and if he comes out again in the future, his days with the Pats will indeed be numbered. Otoh, if all is quiet, all is good.

 

[spacecrime]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

If they let him go I might for a short while give up my seat on the bandwagon

Good. There isn't much lower than a bandwagon fan. I'd almost welcome a losing season so they'd all go away and buy Tony Romo jerseys or something, except that they'd be right back as soon as we started winning again, pulling that Brady jersey off the closet floor.

 

[mosslost]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

Good. There isn't much lower than a bandwagon fan. I'd almost welcome a losing season so they'd all go away and buy Tony Romo jerseys or something, except that they'd be right back as soon as we started winning again, pulling that Brady jersey off the closet floor.

HA. Tony Romo the ******* ****. :americaflag:

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

It's pissing you off because he just badmouthed the team and then tried to sweep it under the rug as if it was no big deal in the very next sentence. And a lot of people here are falling for it. BradyFTW, you're a smart guy, but there is no sugar coating this. Moss just laid the hammer down on this football team while still on the roster. The reality of the situation is that there is no spin here, as those words actually came out of Moss' mouth when the reality is that he could have just kept his mouth shut about this and waited until his contract expired. Welcome to an offseason of turmoil, guys.

I said it before and I'll say it again. 2007 was exilerating, to a point. Extending him after 2007 was a mistake. They know it. Don't like it, have tried to mitigate it, even with contrived captaincy, but it is what it is. As long as he's here this offense will be all about trying to keep Randy engaged and involved. He's not a bad guy, he's just not a patriots kind of guy. He thinks winning is a birthright ...he doesn't get what it took for them to win before. He's too sensitive and thin-skinned. Walk away now...damage control mode. This team won before Randy. Haven't won since. They need to get back to their roots, and I don't mean as a smashmouth run over you team because they were only that once before they made that other extension mistake in 2005... Get back to being a blue collar, team oriented, spread the ball, play smart and tough and physical, whatever it takes to win team and quit having Brady have to deliver impassioned post game pleas for guys to fight through it...because they don't get what being an unselfish, team first, football matters guy is.

 

[Brarrell]

Since when don't bonuses count against the cap?

Since when does someone other than the owners pay all salaries "from their pockets"?

You know what it doesn't matter what I think or what anyone thinks on this board the reality is the perception that they don't pay is shared by the players on the team which is ultimately the worse situation and through out the NFL which means you can't recruit veterans in their prime. And while your at it add the agents who can definitely steer their players.

 

[chevss454]

You know what it doesn't matter what I think or what anyone thinks on this board the reality is the perception that they don't pay is shared by the players on the team which is ultimately the worse situation and through out the NFL which means you can't recruit veterans in their prime. And while your at it add the agents who can definitely steer their players.

The Pats don't pay UNLESS a player shows talent, ability, willingness, toughness and buys into the system. Show 'em the money and they will come!

 

[DaBruinz]

I find it insulting to the Patriots for a guy who was taken off the scrap heap known as Oakland, and then given a $27 million contract extension after he showed that he still have stuff left to say that the Patriots don't pay.

They paid you 9 million a year, RANDY. That's more than you would have gotten had Oakland cut your arse.

 

[alphilip77]

All I can say is this....**** you David Tyree. Seriously. **** you man. If we won that SB, we would be able to deal with Moss' comments better and say, "Well, at least we got a ring." No. Fate had to come in and cruely ***** slap us in the face with us losing to IMO the MOST OVERRATED, UNINSPIRING FOOTBALL TEAM ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH!!!!!! Seriously, WTF?! Going out with a wimper to the Eagles and losing without scoring a SINGLE TD? And then going 8-8 the following year? Way to ******* insult us by not even carrying that momentum. NY Giants=EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!! But I digress..**** you Tyree.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Moss:"I don't think they going to extend my contract here"

I said it before and I'll say it again. 2007 was exilerating, to a point. Extending him after 2007 was a mistake. They know it. Don't like it, have tried to mitigate it, even with contrived captaincy, but it is what it is. As long as he's here this offense will be all about trying to keep Randy engaged and involved. He's not a bad guy, he's just not a patriots kind of guy. He thinks winning is a birthright ...he doesn't get what it took for them to win before. He's too sensitive and thin-skinned. Walk away now...damage control mode. This team won before Randy. Haven't won since. They need to get back to their roots, and I don't mean as a smashmouth run over you team because they were only that once before they made that other extension mistake in 2005... Get back to being a blue collar, team oriented, spread the ball, play smart and tough and physical, whatever it takes to win team and quit having Brady have to deliver impassioned post game pleas for guys to fight through it...because they don't get what being an unselfish, team first, football matters guy is.

I gotta say that I don't agree with some of what you said, but I do get and agree with the central thesis. With Moss, this team went 18-0 before finally being victimized by a once in a lifetime helmet catch and being denied the greatest season of all time 2:00 away from a victory. So to say that Moss doesn't understand what it took the Pats to win before is a little bit of a stretch. He understood and was one of the guys that helped the 2008 team spread it's wings under Cassel.

That said, I do agree with the central point of your post. That is that there was life before Randy Moss and there will be life after Randy Moss. After all, Tom Brady and Bill Belichick each have three things that Moss does not have, do they not?