Mortenson GMs mad on Penalty

[signbabybrady]

I am not going to read or listen to anything Mort has to say and I sugest you guys join me.

 

[Ishdul]

It's been said before, but picking Brady 5 rounds before you needed too would be the exact opposite of good drafting and anyone who suggests that knows absolutely nothing about anything in professional sports. That really is the kind of remark that should cause everyone nationwide to roll their eyes in unison and have your article dropped and your house egged due to the resulting hit in credibility. That some idiot got paid to write that is criminal.

 

[NEPat]

This is off topic, but Mortensen really screwed up the Eli injury story. He was dead wrong when he reported that Eli had a shoulder separation and would be out for weeks. Apparently the Giants even told Mortensen to stop saying it because he was completely wrong.

Pretty embarrassing.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

This is off topic, but Mortensen really screwed up the Eli injury story. He was dead wrong when he reported that Eli had a shoulder separation and would be out for weeks. Apparently the Giants even told Mortensen to stop saying it because he was completely wrong.

Pretty embarrassing.

Mortensen's credibility is in the toilet, and soon his reputation. The statement about drafting Brady before 6th Rd in itself tells us the man has an IQ of an amoeba

 

[SVN]

both jaworski and tony kornheiser whatever he is worth said on MNF said that the penalty was harsh

 

[psychoPat]

.... There is zero journalist integrity left it's all about selling the hot story.

LEFT? Zero journalist integrity LEFT?

Where ya been, laddy?
Name a journalist of integrity
since ... oh, say, since H.L. Mencken?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

This is off topic, but Mortensen really screwed up the Eli injury story. He was dead wrong when he reported that Eli had a shoulder separation and would be out for weeks. Apparently the Giants even told Mortensen to stop saying it because he was completely wrong.

Pretty embarrassing.

Mort is a dinosaur being lapped by hungry young turks. In a media that doesn't value you by the quality of your reporting any longer but by it's quantity and controversy or capacity to generate ratings. Any scoop, including an inacurate one, generates ratings, and that is all the suits at ESPN care about. They know most of their demographic is too ADHD to contemplate doing the math on your veracity.

Mort's report underscores a story that was making the rounds a few years ago. That there was a move afoot to re-establish the influence and control and profile of GM's who felt as a group they were losing lustre (and earnings potential) to the new hybrid HC/GM or the genius HC. Too much emphasis was being placed on scheme or coaching systems winning and too little credit was being given to FO talent acquisition and cap management.

A lot of the hybrids have since fallen flat on their faces. Holmgren lost his GM duties, after much fanfare Saban bombed in Miami, Grudin is hanging by a thread. Several marquee HC's like Billick, Fox, are teetering. Cowher is on sabatical. Then there is Bill. With all those Lombardi's and no end in sight. Who delegates personnel duties to a defacto GM who is both beholden and subordinate AND LOYAL to him. The GM as architect crowd hates his guts. They don't want him punished, they want him disgraced and sent packing with his tail between his legs.

 

[everlong]

He really good have said "Many GMs feel the Pay-tree-arrrrrrtttsss will spend it on free agents."

 

[mojocaster.com]

All this bullcrap really brings home the following point: b!tch as they may, they all want to be the Pats. Period. The end. And I can find solace in that

 

[godef]

I suppose a more effective penalty would have been to reduce their cap space.

 

[dryheat44]

Chris Mortenson said tonight on NFL Primetime that many GMs around the league are upset because the Patriots won't really be punished by losing the first round pick because they'll just use the money saved in free agency. He then pointed out all the Pats FA pickups over the last few years from Colvin to AD, ETC. No need to bring up Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Mankins, Graham, Watson, Maroney, Meriweather in the first round.

He then threw in that if they were really that smart about drafting they would have taken Tom Brady in the first round not the sixth. My jaw hit the ground and I changed channels before I could rewind to make sure it was tongue in cheek so I'm not sure but these days who knows.

And an equally valid point would be that the Patriots are so good drafting that they knew they could get Brady in the sixth round and not waste their first round pick.

I won't even get into the fact that first rounders at the bottom of the first are pretty cheap for 5 years.

That's exactly what makes the penalty so harsh. The Pats are losing the ability to lock up a premium player for cheap money for five years. That's a key ingredient in the recipe for success.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Actually this whole camera gate has been a blessing because now I know who all the azzholes in the media are that can't be trusted.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

On the other side, I actually like Madden, Jimmy Johnson, Keyshaun, Salsbury, and several others more than ever.

 

[Real World]

Chris Mortenson said tonight on NFL Primetime that many GMs around the league are upset because the Patriots won't really be punished by losing the first round pick because they'll just use the money saved in free agency. He then pointed out all the Pats FA pickups over the last few years from Colvin to AD, ETC. No need to bring up Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Mankins, Graham, Watson, Maroney, Meriweather in the first round.

He then threw in that if they were really that smart about drafting they would have taken Tom Brady in the first round not the sixth. My jaw hit the ground and I changed channels before I could rewind to make sure it was tongue in cheek so I'm not sure but these days who knows.

This is one of several guys who was certain the Pats wouldn't be players in last years FA market because they are too cheap, which was the bash the Pats flavor of the month. So we've gone from draft wizards to FA mongers in 6 months simply because that makes people's argument. We no longer can draft apparently even though we have zero first round busts in the BB era.

He also brought up that the GMs feel it's little punishment since we already have another first. Note to league, if you trade for extra picks it doesn't equal extra punishment because you have them.

I won't even get into the fact that first rounders at the bottom of the first are pretty cheap for 5 years.

I understand he was reporting what some GMs thought but his tone was basically acknowledging their statements as fact. There is zero journalist integrity left it's all about selling the hot story.

They're complete morons. What do Logan Mankins & Vince Wilfork make on their 5/6 year rookie deals? Now tell me what Free Agent is going to come in and perform similarly, for that money? NONE! Why are people on TV so ******ed, and since they are so ******ed, how do they get on TV?

Also, the Pats have extra picks because they gave up past picks or players to aquire them. For someone to say a 1st doesn't hurt because you have another one is ridiculous. We have a 1st because we traded our 1st last year, and we had that because we traded Dion Branch. The hateration is pathetic.

I won't even go near the Tom Brady comment.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

I've been a bit more middle-of-the-road on the coverage of this issue than many here. I think while some of it has been witch-huntish, if this were the Broncos involved I'd be loving it. So I'm trying not to be too hypocritical. It's also something of a complement about how much we've accomplished over the last several years.

But the thing I have found to be the worst about the coverage is the draft-pick issue. I have no problem with anyone that wants to make a reasoned argument that the punishment does not fit the crime. If someone has an opinion that a first-rounder is not enough of a sanction for this offense, and wants to debate that, fine. I don't agree. But it's something that reasonable people can talk about. Whether more is needed for deterrence for other teams. Whether it's an adequate punishment, etc. Those are valid, legitimate topics that reasonable people can talk about.

The point that is off the charts for me is that FOR THE PATRIOTS a first-round draft pick is not enough. Because they gave theirs up this year and are a good club at drafting and acquiring free agents, the notion seems to be that they should be treated disproportionately. If this were, say, the Jets, or the Arizona Cardinals, or the Seattle Seahawks, or the Washington Redskins, everyone would recognize the forfeiture of a first-round pick for exactly what it is: A huge hammer and a major penalty. Punishing a team more than you would another team for being good is so fundamentally unfair on every level that I can't believe not a single journalist has called "bullsh*t" on this argument.

To his credit Goddell made some comments in response to the penalty-is-too-lenient crowd that he gets the point exactly, and that's all the matters. The commissioner carefully calculated what he wanted: A forfeiture of a early pick (or two), but not one of the very top picks. The decision to make it a first, if it was a low first, or a second and third, if they were higher picks, was clearly concious.

 

[Real World]

I've been a bit more middle-of-the-road on the coverage of this issue than many here. I think while some of it has been witch-huntish, if this were the Broncos involved I'd be loving it. So I'm trying not to be too hypocritical. It's also something of a complement about how much we've accomplished over the last several years.

But the thing I have found to be the worst about the coverage is the draft-pick issue. I have no problem with anyone that wants to make a reasoned argument that the punishment does not fit the crime. If someone has an opinion that a first-rounder is not enough of a sanction for this offense, and wants to debate that, fine. I don't agree. But it's something that reasonable people can talk about. Whether more is needed for deterrence for other teams. Whether it's an adequate punishment, etc. Those are valid, legitimate topics that reasonable people can talk about.

The point that is off the charts for me is that FOR THE PATRIOTS a first-round draft pick is not enough. Because they gave theirs up this year and are a good club at drafting and acquiring free agents, the notion seems to be that they should be treated disproportionately. If this were, say, the Jets, or the Arizona Cardinals, or the Seattle Seahawks, or the Washington Redskins, everyone would recognize the forfeiture of a first-round pick for exactly what it is: A huge hammer and a major penalty. Punishing a team more than you would another team for being good is so fundamentally unfair on every level that I can't believe not a single journalist has called "bullsh*t" on this argument.

To his credit Goddell made some comments in response to the penalty-is-too-lenient crowd that he gets the point exactly, and that's all the matters. The commissioner carefully calculated what he wanted: A forfeiture of a early pick (or two), but not one of the very top picks. The decision to make it a first, if it was a low first, or a second and third, if they were higher picks, was clearly concious.

I think BB was wrong. I don't want to sound like he's innocent. Quite honestly, I would have prefered we lose a 4th rounder and BB for 4 games than a 1st rounder. My beef is with how beneficial the sign stealing actually is, and how mental midgets in the press are clueless with respect to their comments. You'd think BB broke into the Jets complex and stole the playbook or something.

 

[everlong]

I've been a bit more middle-of-the-road on the coverage of this issue than many here. I think while some of it has been witch-huntish, if this were the Broncos involved I'd be loving it.

When the Fins stole our line calls last year I really didn't think it was a big deal because my first impression was we are probably doing the same thing and so is everybody else.

When the Broncos lost a 3rd rounder for cheating the cap I thought that was light.

I understand why the league wants to nip this in the bud because soon you'll have parabolic mics pointed at the sidelines, coaching boxes, etc.

What I don't agree with is the punishment and the biased media blitz. The Broncos and Dolphins received almost zero bad press over this let because its the Patriots and BB they are getting destroyed.