McGinest: "Pats don't take care of their players that are still productive"

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

Thats what I thought, the second half of the decade has been good for us but we haven't won it all, you think that you can just re-hash the same old Sh*t from the first half of the decade and bring it over to this decade like things haven't changed, typical homer.

While you argue with a one sided person,remember this....

You can lead a homer to blabber,but you can't make him Think

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

2007 was a mirage, my fault. On another point, does it make you feel cool to call someone a "homer"? As if you are some completely objective unbiased analysis robot.

Did we not have Seymour and Samuel in 2007? Was our D not built to play with a lead? Ask around, Im as far from a homer as it gets. When people were saying the Colts are done because the lost Dungy, I was saying as long as they have Manning they will be dangerous, when people said that it would take the Jets years until they would be solid I was saying that they are a good team ready to improve now.

 

[woolster22]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

5 years+0 rings= some tweaking needs to be done. Not a major overhaul but some minor tweaking. The Colts and Steelers systems have been just as productive recently

Oh no! 5 years without a ring!? What is going on with the Pats? that is simply unacceptable!

C'mon man, how many teams have had as much success as the Pats over the last 5 years? We missed the play-offs once, and that was the year Tf'nB went down after what, 2-3 possessions? The team is consistently in contention, and have been dominating the AFCE pretty consistently. Sure the Jets seem to be on the rise, but they also seem to be mortaging their future to get there. The 'phins have their issues, and Buffalo is, well, Buffalo. I wouldn't give the Steelers as much credit. That D is getting old FAST. Indy, hoiwever, is keeping up with us fairly well, but Manning doesn't exactly play well in the Superbowl!

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

Oh no! 5 years without a ring!? What is going on with the Pats? that is simply unacceptable!

C'mon man, how many teams have had as much success as the Pats over the last 5 years? We missed the play-offs once, and that was the year Tf'nB went down after what, 2-3 possessions? The team is consistently in contention, and have been dominating the AFCE pretty consistently. Sure the Jets seem to be on the rise, but they also seem to be mortaging their future to get there. The 'phins have their issues, and Buffalo is, well, Buffalo. I wouldn't give the Steelers as much credit. That D is getting old FAST. Indy, hoiwever, is keeping up with us fairly well, but Manning doesn't exactly play well in the Superbowl!

We just got blown out of the water at home against the Ravens....Wake up! Its not 2004 anymore! The Jets didnt mortgage their future at all, they have a young QB and a good D, If sanchez finds a way to be decent they are going to be even better, we can be the team that is always in the playoffs but finds a way to come up short or we can be the dangerous team that nobody wants to play. Right now we are option one. We need a little help, not a complete overhaul just a little help. IMO were 2-4 playmakers away from being elite again but it starts with Wilfork (who is yet to be signed). Oh and it doesnt mater what Peyton plays like in the SB because if hes in the SB at all it means we arnt.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

I never argued Bodden was better because of his INTs. It's people like you who (wrongly) believe that INT numbers are the only barometer of a CBs worth so I had to point out that Samuel had at MOST 4 INTs against "good" QBs, and that's ignoring any ducks or thrown to him passes which I don't really care to go find out as INTs are only one part of the story and I understand the types of CBs Samuel and Bodden are.

Unless you are actually a good cover corner, which Samuel is NOT.
Now it should be easy for you to list me 10-15 LCBs that allow at least as much if not more completions than Samuel... Or you can just continue to make up stuff.

That website lists how they played in 2009. It is surely at least a little flawed and their overall ranking numbers aren't gospel. I never once claimed their overall ranking numbers were a depiction of the best CBs in the league. They are a relatively accurate depiction of they played that year, and the peripheral numbers which I like to look at seem more or less accurate.

Asomugha is special in the sense that teams just won't throw to his side, they just won't.

This is not what I've done though, as much as you want to portray that. I've said Samuel was overrated while he was here. He is not a top 5 CB, never has been and never will be. Hobbs outplayed Samuel frequently while they both were here.

Moss IS the best WR in the NFL still (at worst top 3). Never said "by far" in either case. Bodden was a better CB in 2009 than Samuel. I prefer Bodden's abilities over Samuel's. Bodden can actually cover and be effective allowing more schemes. Samuel is a risk taker zone hawk that limits the schemes that can be played on his side and usually requires safety help dedicated to cover for the high risk.

I assume you've forgotten guys like Marvin Harrison catching wide open bombs for a TD because Samuel jumped the fake and only remember when Samuel INTs because he jumped the route. Apparently since Samuel was so far out of the picture, it wasn't his fault. Just like the Tyree catch, his man but he's not in the picture when it's caught so you assume it wasn't his coverage responsibility.

I've only insulted someone once or twice of which was retaliation and have since apologized. Stop stalking me though, thanks.

When did I ever say INT are the barometer of CBs? They aren't. In fact, guys like Revis and Nnamdi tend to have lower INT numbers because people don't like to throw at them. The only reason I brought up INT is b/c I'm sick and tired of hearing you say over and over how Samuel's INT came from bad QBs. So what? So did most of Bodden's. The fact is Samuel had 9 in total and Bodden had 5 in total, so if you want to look at INT, then Samuel outperformed him.

There you go again putting words in my mouth. Never did I say you claimed that website was a depiction of the best CBs in the league. However, earlier in the thread you said the following regarding CBs who you would rather have than Samuel (after the likes of Revis, Asomugha, Bailey):

Hall, Flowers, Winfield, Greer, DRC, Joseph, Brown, Bodden...

He's not even the best CB on his team, never mind sniffing the top 5.

Let's see: Hall, Flowers, Winfield, Greer, DRC, Joseph are all ranked #3, #5, #9, #7, #4, and #6 respectively on that website. Seems likes someone just took a few a names from the top of that list and claimed they were better than Samuel. Why didn't you mention a guy like Jammer who is a great press corner and great in run support? Because he's not at the top of that list? I highly doubt you've watched all of these guys enough to be able to definitively state that they are/aren't better than Samuel. That site is flawed because there is not a chance Leon Hall is the 3rd best CB in the league. Watch him play before claiming you'd rather have him than Samuel.

If Hobbs outperformed Samuel frequently when he was here, why was he dealt for a 5th round pick? Surely you should attempt to lock up and keep a CB who has outplayed Samuel (a Pro Bowler) longterm. Or at the least you could get a 2nd round pick for someone of that caliber. Also, why was he behind Samuel on the depth chart in Philly? If he was better than Samuel, he'd be starting ahead of him and wouldn't be relegated to nickel and dime back duties.

Moss is not THE best WR in the league. He is still top 5, but he is not THE best like you claim he is. How was Bodden a better CB than Samuel in 09? What are you basing that off of? I assume you are basing it off of the stats from that website, unless you've watched all of the Eagles games and all of the Patriots games, which I highly doubt. Bodden had a solid season in 09, but I would take Asante over him anyday. Samuel is also a 3x Pro Bowler (including 09). Bodden has never been to one. What does that possibly say about their play in 09? And don't blame it on the fans, as the players and coaches account for 2/3 of the vote.

Asante limits defensive schemes? He is only a zone hawk? He isn't a good cover corner? Really? Then why would the Eagles sign him? Jim Johnson was known for blitzing schemes and often left his CB's in man to man coverage on islands. If you watch the Eagles play, they still often line up in man to man coverage and don't give their corners a ton of safety help. Why would they sign Asante if he could not play in this type of defense? In his 2 seasons in Philly, he has made the Pro Bowl twice.

He might not be that good of a press corner, but he hasn't limited the Eagles defensive scheme where they have to play zone on his side of the field. One of the biggest myths is that Asante only excels zone because of his ball hawking ability. He may not be that physical at the LOS with his WR, giving him an easier release, but he is a good cover corner who can stay with his man well. The only vice he has besides his reluctance to play press coverage is that he is an aggressive corner who likes to gamble and jump routes so you can get him on some double moves. I don't know about you, but I like an aggressive corner who is confident and wants be a playmaker in the secondary. You can keep telling yourself that Bodden is better and schemes are limited with Samuel, but it's not true.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

We just got blown out of the water at home against the Ravens....Wake up! Its not 2004 anymore! The Jets didnt mortgage their future at all, they have a young QB and a good D, If sanchez finds a way to be decent they are going to be even better, we can be the team that is always in the playoffs but finds a way to come up short or we can be the dangerous team that nobody wants to play. Right now we are option one. We need a little help, not a complete overhaul just a little help. IMO were 2-4 playmakers away from being elite again but it starts with Wilfork (who is yet to be signed). Oh and it doesnt mater what Peyton plays like in the SB because if hes in the SB at all it means we arnt.

We lost our pro bowl slot receiver in week 17...Wake up! This isn't Madden anymore... The Jets have absolutely mortgaged their future, they have a young QB who may never develop beyond the flashes he showed intermittently let alone absent better weapons they have no way of adding and that good D won't get better or deeper, only older and more expensive. This organization bounces back like no other. 2002, 2005, 2009 won't be any different. Like a typical frontrunner you sound as if this team has never been beaten badly or beaten at home and somehow found a way to rebound and regain it's championship caliber footing. And the Jets haven't failed to do that for 40 years and counting. If you want the rest of us to be ascared of something, pick a better bet than Sanchise and his Tubby du jour HC to topple a team anchored by two first ballot HOF'ers.

Us homers had the AFCE pegged. As we generally do. The Bill's may never emerge, the 'Phins gimmicks were just that, and the reconstructed Jets were again the .500 team predicted absent benefitting from circumstances so competitively unbecoming the league is looking into ways to penalize for it. Although as fate would have it the football gods extracted their revenge on the purpetrator already and an expiring CBA and their own institutional shortsightedness born of years of frustration and desperation will do the same to the team it benefitted come 2010...

You frontrunner fans do little beyond babble because your so easily impressed, positively or negatively, you never develop the perspective necessary to even begin to have any capacity for critical thinking... which you typically confuse with being kneejerk critics. Self proclaimed critics hereabouts aren't any more or less objective than homers, just generally a lot more immature and self absorbed.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

If Hobbs outperformed Samuel frequently when he was here, why was he dealt for a 5th round pick? Surely you should attempt to lock up and keep a CB who has outplayed Samuel (a Pro Bowler) longterm. Or at the least you could get a 2nd round pick for someone of that caliber. Also, why was he behind Samuel on the depth chart in Philly? If he was better than Samuel, he'd be starting ahead of him and wouldn't be relegated to nickel and dime back duties.

How was Bodden a better CB than Samuel in 09? What are you basing that off of? I assume you are basing it off of the stats from that website, unless you've watched all of the Eagles games and all of the Patriots games, which I highly doubt. Bodden had a solid season in 09, but I would take Asante over him anyday. Samuel is also a 3x Pro Bowler (including 09). Bodden has never been to one. What does that possibly say about their play in 09? And don't blame it on the fans, as the players and coaches account for 2/3 of the vote.

Asante limits defensive schemes? He is only a zone hawk? He isn't a good cover corner? Really? Then why would the Eagles sign him? Jim Johnson was known for blitzing schemes and often left his CB's in man to man coverage on islands. If you watch the Eagles play, they still often line up in man to man coverage and don't give their corners a ton of safety help. Why would they sign Asante if he could not play in this type of defense? In his 2 seasons in Philly, he has made the Pro Bowl twice.

He might not be that good of a press corner, but he hasn't limited the Eagles defensive scheme where they have to play zone on his side of the field. One of the biggest myths is that Asante only excels zone because of his ball hawking ability. He may not be that physical at the LOS with his WR, giving him an easier release, but he is a good cover corner who can stay with his man well. The only vice he has besides his reluctance to play press coverage is that he is an aggressive corner who likes to gamble and jump routes so you can get him on some double moves. I don't know about you, but I like an aggressive corner who is confident and wants be a playmaker in the secondary. You can keep telling yourself that Bodden is better and schemes are limited with Samuel, but it's not true.

Hobbs was traded for two 5ths that Belichick used to trade up for a 4th to take an OL he apparently wanted. Hobbs was in the final year of his rookie deal and they apparently knew he wanted more money than they were willing to pay him based in part on growing durability concerns. Ellis played well hurt, but he was increasingly playing hurt. When they were able to land Butler on the heels of signing Bodden and Springs it made sense to trade a veteran corner and the Eagles, who had issues of their own with Brown and Shepard, called and made an offer BB felt was value for a 4 year starter he drafted late in the 3rd and believed he couldn't or would resign. Just like Asante.

The pro bowl is a popularity contest. Half the time players don't even bother to vote, and those who do are usually influenced by the same hype the fans are. Pro Bowl berths often beget more pro bowl berths until someone more deserving or the new overhyped flavor of the month emerges. Asante went to the pro bowl on the strength of 10 picks. He returned because he was tagged and his undefeated team went to the SB. In 2005 Ty Law went based on 9 picks, 6 of which came down the stretch...most of which were gifts. As late as November that year his own HC was berserk because he had committed more penalties, and costly ones, than picks... The Bears traded for a pro bowl QB this season, and got what that player truly is...an overhyped INT machine. The Iggles traded for Asante because their defense wasn't generating turnovers and they thought he'd be a play making game changer. I guess they didn't watch SB 42. Hasn't panned out.


Some interesting insight from NFCE blogger Matt Mosley...sounds like the Iggles secondary is a mess which would lead some to believe signing Samuel to a mega deal may have created more problems than it was supposed to cure...pity.

Asante Samuel - NFC East Blog - ESPN

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

While you argue with a one sided person,remember this....

You can lead a homer to blabber,but you can't make him Think

Ahh... The irony.. Especially coming from you.. .

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

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We just got blown out of the water at home against the Ravens....Wake up! Its not 2004 anymore! The Jets didnt mortgage their future at all, they have a young QB and a good D, If sanchez finds a way to be decent they are going to be even better, we can be the team that is always in the playoffs but finds a way to come up short or we can be the dangerous team that nobody wants to play. Right now we are option one. We need a little help, not a complete overhaul just a little help. IMO were 2-4 playmakers away from being elite again but it starts with Wilfork (who is yet to be signed). Oh and it doesnt mater what Peyton plays like in the SB because if hes in the SB at all it means we arnt.

The Jets didn't mortgage their future? The Jets have major depth issues. So, yes, they did mortgage their future. What you seem incapable of comprehending is that the Patriots have players whom they are trying to develop. Players like Chung, Hoyer, Butler, Vollmer, Edelman. These guys are the future of the Patriots. And the Patriots have already made the investment and will be continuing with it.

The Patriots have been doing the same thing for 10 years. Bring players in and slowly work them into the line-up. Samuel wasn't a play-maker day one. Neither was Branch nor Givens. Not even Brady. So why are people expecting the Pats rookies to do the same? It makes no sense.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

We lost our pro bowl slot receiver in week 17...Wake up! This isn't Madden anymore... The Jets have absolutely mortgaged their future, they have a young QB who may never develop beyond the flashes he showed intermittently let alone absent better weapons they have no way of adding and that good D won't get better or deeper, only older and more expensive. This organization bounces back like no other. 2002, 2005, 2009 won't be any different. Like a typical frontrunner you sound as if this team has never been beaten badly or beaten at home and somehow found a way to rebound and regain it's championship caliber footing. And the Jets haven't failed to do that for 40 years and counting. If you want the rest of us to be ascared of something, pick a better bet than Sanchise and his Tubby du jour HC to topple a team anchored by two first ballot HOF'ers.
So it was Madden back in 2007? Their young QB showed development in the post season. They have a first round pick so they can choose to add to the Pass rush, WR, or even CB. They lost their pro bowl NT and pro bowl RB/KR Leon Washington. Like a typical Kool Aid Wh0re you act as if every other team is getting older and worse, but were getting younger and better, The Colts are the team to beat in the AFC right now and in most of peoples opinions the Jets are second. The Jets have split with us the last two seasons.
Us homers had the AFCE pegged. As we generally do. The Bill's may never emerge, the 'Phins gimmicks were just that, and the reconstructed Jets were again the .500 team predicted absent benefitting from circumstances so competitively unbecoming the league is looking into ways to penalize for it. Although as fate would have it the football gods extracted their revenge on the purpetrator already and an expiring CBA and their own institutional shortsightedness born of years of frustration and desperation will do the same to the team it benefitted come 2010...
I dont think the Bills are doing anythihng anytime soon either but again we split with the Jets and Dolphins, two teams that could threaten us in the future but again you downplay it and predict that we sweep, go 14-2 and coast to the SB, its not that easy. Football gods? haha or Maybe the Colts were the better team, the Jets have far less holes than we do.
You frontrunner fans do little beyond babble because your so easily impressed, positively or negatively, you never develop the perspective necessary to even begin to have any capacity for critical thinking... which you typically confuse with being kneejerk critics. Self proclaimed critics hereabouts aren't any more or less objective than homers, just generally a lot more immature and self absorbed.

lol at a homer talking about perspective, once again the we Patriot fans know it all, exhibit A as to why people like you cant have a real football conversation with anybody outside of New England.

 

[Kontradiction]

Well, this has certainly gotten ugly. Not quite as ugly as Amy Winehaus (sp?), but still ugly nonetheless.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

The Jets didn't mortgage their future? The Jets have major depth issues. So, yes, they did mortgage their future. What you seem incapable of comprehending is that the Patriots have players whom they are trying to develop. Players like Chung, Hoyer, Butler, Vollmer, Edelman. These guys are the future of the Patriots. And the Patriots have already made the investment and will be continuing with it.

The Patriots have been doing the same thing for 10 years. Bring players in and slowly work them into the line-up. Samuel wasn't a play-maker day one. Neither was Branch nor Givens. Not even Brady. So why are people expecting the Pats rookies to do the same? It makes no sense.

All undr the age of 26: Revis, Sanchez, Greene, Harris? Again the Jets have players whom theyve already Developed, I can pull a name like Pouha whom youve probably never heard of but had a great year filling in for the injured all pro Kris Jenkins. The Jets have players that they are trying to develop too and you probably dont know about them because you dont follow the Jets too closely. Darius Butler, and Wilhite are two players that arnt' playmakers yet but I beleive that they will be. Edleman and Vollmer have shown outstanding potential and I already know that they will be the future the problem is if they become Pro Bowl caliber at the age of 28 will the Pats give them the Big contract that another team will give them? This year dont expect many changes to the Jets team but I think they will be a 11-5 team and if thats good enough for them to make the playoffs they will be dangerous.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Well, this has certainly gotten ugly. Not quite as ugly as Amy Winehaus (sp?), but still ugly nonetheless.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

All undr the age of 26: Revis, Sanchez, Greene, Harris? Again the Jets have players whom theyve already Developed, I can pull a name like Pouha whom youve probably never heard of but had a great year filling in for the injured all pro Kris Jenkins. The Jets have players that they are trying to develop too and you probably dont know about them because you dont follow the Jets too closely. Darius Butler, and Wilhite are two players that arnt' playmakers yet but I beleive that they will be. Edleman and Vollmer have shown outstanding potential and I already know that they will be the future the problem is if they become Pro Bowl caliber at the age of 28 will the Pats give them the Big contract that another team will give them? This year dont expect many changes to the Jets team but I think they will be a 11-5 team and if thats good enough for them to make the playoffs they will be dangerous.

You are such a joke. I've watched the games. I know the players. You making asinine statements such that I wouldn't know who Pouha is just shows how friggin out of touch with reality you are.

Yes, the Jets, who BARELY made 8-8 are going to miraculously become an 11-5 team. Like I said, you are out of touch with reality..

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

You are such a joke. I've watched the games. I know the players. You making asinine statements such that I wouldn't know who Pouha is just shows how friggin out of touch with reality you are.

Yes, the Jets, who BARELY made 8-8 are going to miraculously become an 11-5 team. Like I said, you are out of touch with reality..

I didnt know who Pouha was before he took over for Jenkins and if you did Kudos. They played like an 11-5 team down the stretch, they are getting back their best offensive and second best defensive player, is it totally redicoulous to think they can finish 2 games better?

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

So it was Madden back in 2007? Their young QB showed development in the post season. They have a first round pick so they can choose to add to the Pass rush, WR, or even CB. They lost their pro bowl NT and pro bowl RB/KR Leon Washington. Like a typical Kool Aid Wh0re you act as if every other team is getting older and worse, but were getting younger and better, The Colts are the team to beat in the AFC right now and in most of peoples opinions the Jets are second. The Jets have split with us the last two seasons.

And like the ignorant person you are, you discount the fact that the Jets O-line, except for Ferguson and Mangold, are all 30+. And their RT has had injury issues..

Now, beyond Edwards and Keller, the Jets receiving corps is lackluster. Thomas Jones isn't getting any younger either. Can Greene take over the load from Jones and still be productive? Who knows. Neither you nor I do.

OOOOOoooooo.. The consensus says that the Jets are the number two team in the AFC.. Whoopdee doooo.. That an $4 will get them a cup of coffee.. It doesn't mean jack sh!t. Something that a self-proclaimed intelligent fan should know.

MoLewis isn't a Kool-Aid Wh0re as you imply. Instead of reading into what he says, maybe you should spend some time actually using that grey matter you claim is between your ears... Or is that too much to ask of you?

I dont think the Bills are doing anythihng anytime soon either but again we split with the Jets and Dolphins, two teams that could threaten us in the future but again you downplay it and predict that we sweep, go 14-2 and coast to the SB, its not that easy. Football gods? haha or Maybe the Colts were the better team, the Jets have far less holes than we do.

Any team could threaten the Pats in the future because anything can happen. But stop pretending like Miami is even close to us. Especially with Taylor and Porter being gone. The Phins safeties are still only average. And they only have a serviceable NT in Soliai.

The Colts weren't the better team if you actually watched the game. It was, literally, handed to them with 2 BS pass interference calls.

As for the Jets having far less holes, maybe in the top 22, but what about after that????

lol at a homer talking about perspective, once again the we Patriot fans know it all, exhibit A as to why people like you cant have a real football conversation with anybody outside of New England.

MoLewisRocks has shown time and again that he's got much more perspective on situations than you do and its not even close. You and your tough guy MMA BS..

Why do I even bother with you. You proved long ago that your ignorance and arrogance far outweighed any logic you might actually be able to provide.

 

[DaBruinz]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

I didnt know who Pouha was before he took over for Jenkins and if you did Kudos. They played like an 11-5 team down the stretch, they are getting back their best offensive and second best defensive player, is it totally redicoulous to think they can finish 2 games better?

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Leon Washington suffered a double open compound fracture to his right fibula. That means that, not only was the leg broken, but it broke through the skin in two places.. Not to mention that he's a free agent. So there is no guarantee that they are getting him back.

Kris Jenkins has long injury history. He's only gone 2 seasons without missing a game.. He also turns 31 this year before the season starts.

What's friggin hilarious is that you slam MoLewis for supposedly thinking that the Patriots are only getting younger and better while the other teams are getting older/worse, yet you are doing the same thing in reverse. You are the one acting like the Patriots aren't getting younger and better. The Pats have added a lot of good young talent in the last 2 years and they stand to be able to do so again this year. More talent than either the Jets or Dolphins have added in the same period of time. So, his being, god forbid, optimistic isn't a bad thing.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

And like the ignorant person you are, you discount the fact that the Jets O-line, except for Ferguson and Mangold, are all 30+. And their RT has had injury issues..
The same for our O-Line except for Mankins, I expect Volmer to get some more playing time as well so you can add him if youd like. We dont have an invincible o-line either, we've had our share of injuries not to mention we might have a hole at G with Neal testing the market. Yet im the ignorant one
Now, beyond Edwards and Keller, the Jets receiving corps is lackluster. Thomas Jones isn't getting any younger either. Can Greene take over the load from Jones and still be productive? Who knows. Neither you nor I do.
Beyond Moss and Edleman, our receiving corps is lackluster, and Its not like Morris or Taylor are getting any younger either, Can Maroney take the load and stay healthy, well considering he hasnt been able to split the load for the most part of his career and stay healthy Im not sure he can but luckily for him we run a rb by comitee.
OOOOOoooooo.. The consensus says that the Jets are the number two team in the AFC.. Whoopdee doooo.. That an $4 will get them a cup of coffee.. It doesn't mean jack sh!t. Something that a self-proclaimed intelligent fan should know. It doesnt mean jack **** but its the preception outside of NE, I mean can anybody else be right beside us? Or are some of us just that much smarter?

MoLewis isn't a Kool-Aid Wh0re as you imply. Instead of reading into what he says, maybe you should spend some time actually using that grey matter you claim is between your ears... Or is that too much to ask of you?
I dont know if I can do that sorry

Any team could threaten the Pats in the future because anything can happen. But stop pretending like Miami is even close to us. Especially with Taylor and Porter being gone. The Phins safeties are still only average. And they only have a serviceable NT in Soliai. Miami split with us and they won the AFCE two years ago, they are another team with a young QB. Im not saying that they are going to win the AFCE this year but they have some peices in place and they can still create some waves in the division...The Bills...not so much. Id take Soliai over Brace right now and since hes the best NT we have undercontract thats what Im going on.
The Colts weren't the better team if you actually watched the game. It was, literally, handed to them with 2 BS pass interference calls.
This honestly doesnt desreve a real response so im just going to say OK.
As for the Jets having far less holes, maybe in the top 22, but what about after that????
Again they are weak at some positions and stronger at others, for instance the Jets have more depth at LB and NT than us but not at CB or DE. Its also easeir to find depth than it is starters.

MoLewisRocks has shown time and again that he's got much more perspective on situations than you do and its not even close. You and your tough guy MMA BS..
What does me being an MMA even have to do with this?
Why do I even bother with you. You proved long ago that your ignorance and arrogance far outweighed any logic you might actually be able to provide.

OK,

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

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Leon Washington suffered a double open compound fracture to his right fibula. That means that, not only was the leg broken, but it broke through the skin in two places.. Not to mention that he's a free agent. So there is no guarantee that they are getting him back.
Leon Washington expects to be a Jet for a long time | ProFootballTalk.com
He seems to be coming along nicely and hes a RFA so I doubt hes going anywhere.

Kris Jenkins has long injury history. He's only gone 2 seasons without missing a game.. He also turns 31 this year before the season starts.
Fair enough, but the do have depth behind him.
What's friggin hilarious is that you slam MoLewis for supposedly thinking that the Patriots are only getting younger and better while the other teams are getting older/worse, yet you are doing the same thing in reverse. You are the one acting like the Patriots aren't getting younger and better. The Pats have added a lot of good young talent in the last 2 years and they stand to be able to do so again this year. More talent than either the Jets or Dolphins have added in the same period of time. So, his being, god forbid, optimistic isn't a bad thing.

A couple of posts ago I gave examples of the future Pats as did you but you alzheimers seems to have kicked in. Time will tell on the amount of talent the Jets or Dolphins have pulled in against ours. I disagreed with his statement that the Jets D is getting old but he choose to highlight just that one side picture when they are getting no older than we are. They have their youth in some spots and age in others just as we do, we have a younger D but their D is a few steps above ours.

 

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MoLewis isn't a Kool-Aid Wh0re as you imply. Instead of reading into what he says, maybe you should spend some time actually using that grey matter you claim is between your ears... Or is that too much to ask of you?

Don't waste your breath on this one...

Im a Yankee fan! I actually like all NY teams accept the football teams. IM a Pats, Yanks, Knicks, Rangers fan. I was never a huge NFL fan more of a college fan and I used to watch Michigan when Brady was on the team. I started being a pats fan during the tuck rule game. Ive always hated the raiders. My family is all yankees and everybody has a different NFL team, Giants fans, eagles fans, redskins fans, and a steelers fan.

That TriplecHamp increasingly resorts to juvenile namecalling and has issues with me isn't terribly surprising or troubling. He is what he is, and apparently that's not only a classic but a genetic NFL frontrunner fan. Became a Pats fan when he was 10 probably to piss off the Steelers fan and everyone else in his household...and then they won!!!

His lucky day you'd think...Trouble is he lives in NJ so is perpetually exposed to the idiotic NY media/fan spin where the Jets and the Pats are concerned. He even predicted Rex was going to make a stud out of that DE Mangidiot gifted them with as a going away present. Has lots of angst about what the homer-addled collective us (as in actual New England Pats fans) express because he really isn't one of us nor has he even ever been (as in relocated NE fans who also struggle at times reconciling with the jealousy driven perception of other fan bases and outside mediots they're sadly forced to live in close proximity of...).

He's just some full of himself kid raised in the swampland...who latched onto a dynasty because it beat the hell out of the options in his own backyard.