McGinest: "Pats don't take care of their players that are still productive"

[Badluck]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

Of coarse he was missed. He is a top tier cornerback and would make any team better. The point is we couldn't afford him for the contract he signed in philly. It's just the way the business goes sometimes

exactly, and i dont hate him or undervalue his game like others do here(despite him talking "stuff" about the team after he left) he is a top 5 CB in the league and probably the #1 ballhawk at the CB spot

and its amazing how people have attack willie because of what he said, the same people who loved him yesterday
theres being a fan then theres being fanatical

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

You know we go through this argument time and time again about how the Pats pay their players, the fact of the matter is they don't like paying their players or to be more specific the owners don't like paying out bonus money. Which is why they continuously trade out of the 1st into the second round they got 4 second round picks for the price of 1 first rounder which no doubt in my mind they will do again this year. The problem is you have to be good at talent evaluation and I think they have either been lacking at that or they are drafting the wrong players for their system. The bottom line here is they better do what they can while Brady is here because franchise QB's don't grow on trees and don't come along every year. When he is gone we will see how this system works without a franchise qb. As a season ticket holder I remember the tough years before Parcells, but I also remember being at the Miami game when the Pats beat them in OT in Bledsoe'd rookie year and the feeling I had leaving the stadium that day that this was the begining of something special. Now every decision is not a football decision it's a money decision and the owners are directly involved, face it Parcells was right about these owners.

Re: Pats not being willing to pay bonus money, the Pats spend to the cap every year, and bonus money counts against the cap. What more do you want from them? They have a salary structure that they adhere to, in order to stay competitive year in and year out, and whatever other complaints I have about the organization (and there are a few), I have a hard time faulting that philosophy, given the results over the years. Not to mention that this is a philosophy that is shared by most of the top-tier teams in the NFL. The Colts, Steelers, and Eagles are also known for letting big-money FAs walk.

As far as having to do everything that they can to win while Brady's still here, I totally agree, which is reason 1a why I didn't like the Seymour trade. The window of opportunity will last for the duration of Brady's effectiveness as a top-tier QB, and probably not any longer, so IMO pretty much every move that the Pats make should be looking at a max five-year window, and ideally less.

And Parcells? Well, he's gone to the Jets, Cowboys, and Dolphins since then, and none of those teams have accomplished a tenth as much as the Pats have in that span. Wake me up when he wins even one SB without Belichick, then we can talk about whether or not he was right about the owner who built a stadium in Foxboro, had the good sense to let the football people make the football decisions, and was rewarded with 3 SB victories.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

draft will replenish..... it is a cycle. Pay a FA player on what you think he is worth. It is gambling..... sometimes it works out and other times it does not.


Vince is not worth big FA $$ imo...... he is getting heavier/fatter..... I see trading him away in 2 yrs......





we have top tier QB, WR, -T-....... I do not think wilfork is worth what his wife values him as....


Let's use Wifork's tag in '11 and use him in a trade

Moss is gone next yr..... too

Let the Pepper SHAKER begin:eat2::eat2::eat2:


Oh yeah....... lets have a big shaker when he comes to the PATS this yr.


It is a business.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

************, anybody who says that the Pats aren't perfect must be, "bitter", or they have an ulterior motive. Plenty of players have come out and said that the Pats don't always "take care" of their players; Ted Johnson, Asante Samuel, Ty Law, Willie, Sey, etc...when does bitterness turn into truth?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

where there is smoke, there is fire. this goes all the way back to Ted Johnson. In Belichick's system, unless you are Tom Brady, you are a commodity.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

the patriots i feel are getting to be a cheap organization. my gut feeling why we don't have an offensive or defensive coordinator is to save $$$. perhaps they are going to use that money they save on coordinators to shell out for guys like Peppers.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

************, anybody who says that the Pats aren't perfect must be, "bitter", or they have an ulterior motive. Plenty of players have come out and said that the Pats don't always "take care" of their players; Ted Johnson, Asante Samuel, Ty Law, Willie, Sey, etc...when does bitterness turn into truth?

Never, bitterness is bitterness... it doesn't turn.

Seriously though you can't expect players to understand the strict business side and separate their personal worth from the team building goals. It's stupid to "take care of your players". Then you end up with a roster of old and overpaid players while you are severely limited with what you can do to improve.

So what, any team that wins is supposed to just throw the boat at the top players of that time even when they get old or are overvalued? So win once and then thank the players while keeping the team restricted and in poor shape?

All the guys you listed weren't worth what they made when they left. Overpaying for these guys to "thank" them would be in direct contradiction with the Patriots mission statement. Not to mention the effect it would have with bargaining chips as other players played well enough to earn money.

Guys like Bruschi are unique and extremely extremely rare.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

the patriots i feel are getting to be a cheap organization. my gut feeling why we don't have an offensive or defensive coordinator is to save $$$. perhaps they are going to use that money they save on coordinators to shell out for guys like Peppers.

WTF are you talking about.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

WTF are you talking about.

it's my gut feeling. i could be way off base on this and obviously i have no proof of it. but some teams save money by hiring cheaper assistants, etc. do really think jim caldwell is coaching the colts because of his coaching prowess?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

it's my gut feeling. i could be way off base on this and obviously i have no proof of it.

You are right. You don't.

but some teams save money by hiring cheaper assistants, etc. do really think jim caldwell is coaching the colts because of his coaching prowess?

Jim Caldwell got the job b/c he knows the Colts system, has the respect of the players and Polian felt he was the best man for the job. Are you saying he got the job b/c the Colts are cheap? They paid Dungy a good chunk of change.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

You are right. You don't.


Jim Caldwell got the job b/c he knows the Colts system, has the respect of the players and Polian felt he was the best man for the job. Are you saying he got the job b/c the Colts are cheap? They paid Dungy a good chunk of change.

maybe they are trying to save money now.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

maybe they are trying to save money now.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

I don't know whether to laugh or cry

do you really think the colts hired caldwell because he knows the system? caldwell does not command a salary like a bill cowher or mike shanahan would. the colts basically said at the time they hired him that he would make what first year head coaches would make.

 

[emoney_33]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

do you really think the colts hired caldwell because he knows the system? caldwell does not command a salary like a bill cowher or mike shanahan would. the colts basically said at the time they hired him that he would make what first year head coaches would make.

I don't know why I waste my time with the ignorant, but...

Caldwell joined Dungy in 2001 with the BUCS, and came with Dungy to Indy in 2002. So why was he hired again?

If you know so little, at least do a little tiny bit of research before putting your foot in your mouth.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

maybe they are trying to save money now.

Maybe but in 2009 they were 2nd in revenues w/ over $300m and operated with a net income of around $71m.

If they are saving money, then it is not because business sucks.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

I don't know why I waste my time with the ignorant, but...

Caldwell joined Dungy in 2001 with the BUCS, and came with Dungy to Indy in 2002. So why was he hired again?

If you know so little, at least do a little tiny bit of research before putting your foot in your mouth.

what's your point? you have your opinion and i have mine. just because he was with Dungy since 2001 does not mean that that's the reason he was hired to coach the colts.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

No. I don't agree with him.

Branch was not worth his deal
Asante was not worth his deal
Willie Mac was not worth the deal he got in CLE
Givens was not worth the deal he got in TN
Pats couldn't do Sey AND Wilfork

Plenty of examples of the Pats locking up players long-term (Brady, Warren, Seymour, Koppen, Light, Bru, Vrabel)

You can make the arguement that they should have locked up Asante and Branch in 06 and 04 respectfully but for whatever reason it didn't happen.

The only guy that IMO BB should have done a 3-4 year deal with is Law and even that would have been a big risk for a CB who was on the wrong side of 30. Turned out he had some nice years. Oh well.

So tired of these ex-Pats who leave, get big $$ somewhere else and squak about, "not being taken care of" or were, "mistreated".

:ditto:

Nicely summarized.

The only reason these guys got overpaid by a team OTHER than the Patriots is BECAUSE of the Patriots.

In hindsight I'd probably have wanted to keep Asante too but I can't second guess not matching that high priced deal at the time it went down.

 

[HarkDawg]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

the patriots i feel are getting to be a cheap organization. my gut feeling why we don't have an offensive or defensive coordinator is to save $$$. perhaps they are going to use that money they save on coordinators to shell out for guys like Peppers.

no...... PATS Coordinators left (Weiss, McDaniel's) because they were given head coaching jobs else where. It is climbing a hierarchical ladder.... Most want to get to the top.



Top= way more $$$ plus if you do well you are making a dynAmic future for yourself.

why do you think they targeted PATRIOT Coordinators???? b/c they've been the best......

Patriots are a name brand...... ppl want remnants of that staff working for "their" team.

It is not about being cheap....... it's about the reputation of being successful.


They took our coordinators ( Rat, weis Mcdaniels)...... screw Romeo


even thou he is better than Pees.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

what's your point? you have your opinion and i have mine. just because he was with Dungy since 2001 does not mean that that's the reason he was hired to coach the colts.

The Official Website of the Indianapolis Colts

Read this TB12- especially the comments from Irsay and Polian. It's very common for organizations to transition power to people who have similar backgrounds and a strong understanding of the organizations core-philosophies.

There is no spin here. They didn't want to bring in a head-strong coach. They wanted someone to run the old system and maybe improve upon it...

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: McGinest: "Pats don't take care of thier players that are still productive"

The Official Website of the Indianapolis Colts

Read this TB12- especially the comments from Irsay and Polian. It's very common for organizations to transition power to people who have similar backgrounds and a strong understanding of the organizations core-philosophies.

There is no spin here. They didn't want to bring in a head-strong coach. They wanted someone to run the old system and maybe improve upon it...

maybe you're right. but if they wanted the best head coach available like polian said they would have gone after Shanahan or Cowher. I mean the colts basically let manning coach the offense and coyer the defense. a guy like caldwell would not need to be paid much. all he would do is make tough decisions like whehter to run the ball three straight times before the end of the half in a super bowl.

dungy signed a $13 million contract with the colts, a number which the colts released to the public. but they never(to my knowledge) revealed how much caldwell signed for and declined to do so. i am very suspicious of this because i think the colts low balled Caldwell.