Mayo Made The Right Call, The Only Call - Brissett over Maye

[hornetfb85]

again, step 5 in a ten point plan. we are currently sitting on step 1.

Agree with what your saying, but that doesn’t me we shouldn’t address that as well. Polks development as Mayes #2 guy is very important for the future. But I’m with you. The development/improvement of Sow and Wallace on the OL to go with Andrews, Onwenu and next years top pick are huge.

 

[festy1986]

Everyone gonna be doing the same thing come draft season.

Half y'all gonna cry when we trade our first overall pick and the rest of us are gonna swim in the riches of the haul.

 

[Pape]

Agree with what your saying, but that doesn’t me we shouldn’t address that as well. Polks development as Mayes #2 guy is very important for the future. But I’m with you. The development/improvement of Sow and Wallace on the OL to go with Andrews, Onwenu and next years top pick are huge.

you are correct. All aspects of the team should be considered and worked on in regards of development.

But The Line? at this point should be the priority.

 

[hornetfb85]

you are correct. All aspects of the team should be considered and worked on in regards of development.

But The Line? at this point should be the priority.

Totally agree…I’ll die on that hill with ya.

 

[Pape]

Totally agree…I’ll die on that hill with ya.

it is The Hill to die on as this team is currently constituted.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

My brother.. I'm in agreement with you..but.. we knew this is/was the whole plan the entire time.

I'll give you some optimistic views. Brissett is on borrowed time. Make no mistake this is drakes team. He is the face of the Patriots going forward.

So by week 5.. IMO we will see maye daye...

Starting Brissett is really a challenge to the rest of the offense to be better. This move sends a strong message to the rest of the offense that the rookie is not some sort of magic bean that will solve all of the problems by himself. When Brady was starting out the rest of the team made a commitment to go above and beyond to give the kid a chance to succeed. Let's hope the OL in particular has the same level of ownership to allow the most skilled QB to start.

 

[hornetfb85]

Onwenu and Andrews are solid/pretty darn good at C and RG. Sow was good, but want to see another solid year before I’m completely on board with him as LG of the future. Wallace is in that same boat. Want him to play a ton this year to see if he has the ability to lock down RT. Could be a solid 4 guys right there. Need a true succession plan at C for Andrews as well. That guy is not on our roster. That could be a next year problem to solve.

 

[Fixit]

Of course he is ready. Please give me the list that history is littered with of QBs who were great but ruined because they played football.

I said "promising," not "great." You could argue someone like David Carr in addition to the other guys mentioned, but we'll never know for sure. Just like we'll never know who might've been better or had a longer career if they'd sat.

At any rate, putting our Hopeful Franchise Guy out behind that atrocity of a line should be a war crime.

 

[Pape]

Onwenu and Andrews are solid/pretty darn good at C and RG. Sow was good, but want to see another solid year before I’m completely on board with him as LG of the future. Wallace is in that same boat. Want him to play a ton this year to see if he has the ability to lock down RT. Could be a solid 4 guys right there. Need a true succession plan at C for Andrews as well. That guy is not on our roster. That could be a next year problem to solve.

Thoughts on Strange? does he have a future here?

 

[Ring 6]

I said "promising," not "great." You could argue someone like David Carr in addition to the other guys mentioned, but we'll never know for sure. Just like we'll never know who might've been better or had a longer career if they'd sat.

At any rate, putting our Hopeful Franchise Guy out behind that atrocity of a line should be a war crime.

Carr didn’t fail because he started as a rookie he failed because he’s David Carr.

So if the argument is that OTs can never be available in free agency then that means next year we are either in the same boat or have to reach for 2 in the draft and then it wouldn’t be right to make your qb play behind a rookie ol. And if the rookie don’t work out so well we might have to sit him year 3 also.
Do you see my point? We need a qb. We got one, he needs to play, get experience, overcome adversity, take hits, play hurt, make mistakes, because he had to do all of those things to become a good QB. Saying he can’t play because someone might tackle him is looney.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Agree, at the time this is the right decision. Things can definitely change in a month or two though for me.

- does chuks revive his career and becomes a serviceable RT here?

- Does Wallace or Robinson develop by midseason?

- Does Strange return effectively?

Any combination of these could potentially leave you with 4/5 of the line in decent shape. But maybe the biggest question- is the coaching on the line good enough? Much like the personnel compared to the rest of the roster, i have to question the coaching here given the amount of infractions. Whereas most other areas on offense and on defense ive seen either solid discipline among the established guys and growth among the unproven players.

 

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

Drake Maye has done enough in the preseason to establish that he is the Future of the franchise.

With that said, Mayo made the right call, the only call he could have made - Starting Jacoby Brissett over Drake Maye.

Why? For a multitude reasons.

First, Mayo knows that the 2024 Patriots are not going to be competitive. We have seen how the team has struggled in the three preseason games. Invariably the same mistakes are being made week in week out. This team is just not ready. If there is an argument to be made for four preseason games, the 2024 Patriots are it. We could really have used the extra time to sort things out. Especially on the line.

The offensive line has really been offensive, no matter what iteration has been used. Way too many mental mistakes by way of penanties, way too many missed blocking assignments, and too much below average play, especially at the tackle position. Was it a surprise when two of the four waiver wire claims were tackles? If it was you haven't been paying attention, or were all to willing to look past the issues staring you right in the face. Playing behind such a line will hinder, not enhance, the development of Maye if he were to play from the get go. Just look at the history of the game. All too often QB's have been broken in year one by bad line play. You don't have to look too far back to see this.

Secondly, and I am not sure this has been addressed to an adequate degree - We really have no clue how well the offensive coaching staff is going to perform. AVP, our current OC, has held the title before, but has never called games before. You might get a week, two or maybe even three out of him before the NFL has what he likes to do, what his tendencies are in particular down and distance scenarios figured out. How is this team going to maneuver in situational football? How will they adapt to in game to counter the defenses? Learning situational football as the sole voice on the offense is going to be a learning curve for AVP - one I would rather have Brissett out there for - let him takes the lumps, not Maye.

There are a few who have argued that Maye losses out on much needed experience by not starting from the get go. Just because Maye is not starting game 1 does not mean he will not start this year. Losing 4, 5, 6 etc games at the beginning of his career is not going to adversely impact his development. Its foolish to think that it will. Especially if he is playing behind the line we know cannot provide adequate protection at this point. It may take weeks to get the line sorted out - something I think can happen. That's when you think about starting Maye - not before then though.

Mayo made the right, the only, decision. Its why he brought in Brissett. To get this team out of the gates while sorting out a suspect line and getting a really newb centric coaching staff up to game speed.

While I don't disagree with the reasoning, why not just throw Zappe out there instead of wasting 8M on Brissett? Please don't say "mentoring" as I don't want a journeyman 18-30 starter guiding the potential future of the franchise in anything.

 

[Pape]

While I don't disagree with the reasoning, why not just throw Zappe out there instead of wasting 8M on Brissett? Please don't say "mentoring" as I don't want a journeyman 18-30 starter guiding the potential future of the franchise in anything.

My guess is competition. They didn't want Zappe here thinking or agitating for a chance to become the starter.

Same reason BB got rid of Larry Whigham - to protect Tebucky Jones

 

[Wozzy]

Some people are confusing preseason with the regular season. Preseason is bland vanilla schemes with zero adjustments or disguises. It's nothing like the regular season. Team coaches are talking to each other to discuss what they'll be running and what they want to work on and the opposing coach obliges. In the regular season, teams aren't just going to run cover two and try to beat you with four, they're bringing the heat and disguising coverages.

Go listen to Belichick's interview on Mcafee yesterday, you can't tell anything from preseason. Real football starts next week. If the Patriots starting offensive line is presumably Okorafor/Robinson/Andrews/Leverett/Lowe or Wallace then Brissett is about to get lit up. I expect another game with double digit penalties.

By week five if the line looks something like Demontrey Jacobs/Sow/Andrews/Onwenu/Wallace or Robinson, also they're executing better and the competition they'll be facing by month two will be easier to handle... at that point you reevaluate and decide whether Maye is ready.

Mayo made the right decision, because right now this offensive line is crapolla.

 

[hornetfb85]

Thoughts on Strange? does he have a future here?

He definitely could. He could definitely push Sow at LG.

 

[Pape]

He definitely could. He could definitely push Sow at LG.

If sow pans out, I could see us trying to move him for a late round pick.

 

[varjao]

even better argument - Andrew Luck.

He actually quit football because of it. Just up and said "nah, don't need this ****", walked away.

he was fearing for his life, at some point he had kidney injuries, that's an internal organ banged up.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

If their decision was as simplistic as "OL bad, rookie can't play" then it's not the right call.

If they think his mechanics need further work behind the scenes, if they think his ability to command the huddle could use work, if they think he struggles with identifying blitzes and they want him to sit in the film room with Brissett/coaches and see regular season tape of that... those are all valid reasons that it'd be best for his development to sit right now.

If by the end of the year he hasn't forced his way into the lineup, I'd consider that a bad omen.

 

[Pape]

If their decision was as simplistic as "OL bad, rookie can't play" then it's not the right call.

If they think his mechanics need further work behind the scenes, if they think his ability to command the huddle could use work, if they think he struggles with identifying blitzes and they want him to sit in the film room with Brissett/coaches and see regular season tape of that... those are all valid reasons that it'd be best for his development to sit right now.

If by the end of the year he hasn't forced his way into the lineup, I'd consider that a bad omen.

I disagree with the "bad OL, rookie can't play" statement. There is enough history of guys getting the tar beat out of them in rookie years playing behind bad offensive lines. If you want to further that, with what you said about his mechanics - if you play him in a bad spot, you risk his development because he will fallback on bad habits / habits the coaching staff wants to break. But, I didn't say anything about his mechanics because I don't know.

I don't have access to all the information that the team does. Don't even have the information guys covering the team do.

so... it is what it is. Mayo made his decision. and from the outside looking it, it was the right call.

 

[lancerman]

Disagree: how are we going to know how good WR's like Thornton and Polk can be?? JB won't answer those questions. You'all just don't know how bad Brissett is trust me he's bad Preseason is not an illusion.

You can evaluate WR's independent of QB. Can they run routes, can they beat their coverage. If they don't, how do they do with contested catches.

OBJ was playing with Eli on decline and was great. AJ Brown was putting up numbers with Tannehill and Mariota. Mike Evans was having 1000 yard season, then kept doing it with Winston.