Matt Schaub to DeAndre Hopkins vs. Tom Brady to his rookie receivers

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Perhaps Hopkins is more talented than our WRs at this point,but did any of you see the two great plays this rookie WR made to first tie the game in regulation against the Titans and then win it in overtime?

Hopkins looked very green the first game then suddenly showed why he was drafted early and it seems Schaub is getting in sync with Hopkins rather quickly.

We can only hope that Dobson,Boyce and/or Thompkins can make plays like that combo did Sunday.

Oh,by the way the Pats are not the only 2-0 winning ugly...the Texans are as well and to me the Texans are supposed to be the team to beat in the AFC along with Denver.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Dobson would have been more impressive had 2 mistakes not been committed. He dropped the easy deep TD and then on the goal line where he ran the wrong route. That's 2 more Tds. Dobson could have had a monster game but the rookie bug seems to have him also.

 

[letekro]

Hopkins was probably the most pro-ready WR in the draft. He is very polished and used to making big plays in big games. Obviously, he was not available to the pats in the draft. I would also note however, that he gets little to no separation, which is an area our young guys look to be proficient in.

 

[Big-T]

Dobson would have been more impressive had 2 mistakes not been committed. He dropped the easy deep TD and then on the goal line where he ran the wrong route. That's 2 more Tds. Dobson could have had a monster game but the rookie bug seems to have him also.

Bodden & Bedard put that goal line wrong route on Edelman, not Dobson.

Still, if Brady didn't throw the ball at the feet of Dobson he would have still scored - he had a good position on the DB to make the grab.

This is one of those things BB was talking about when he called people out for making assumptions without knowing the play call, we aren't going to find out if it was Dobson or Edelman.

 

[Rob0729]

Several things:

• He's got Andre Johnson and a dominant running game giving him a lot of favorable match ups.
• He was a first round pick and should be more NFL ready than a second or fourth rounder and an UDFA. Hopkins should have made a more of an immediate splash than the Pats' rookies.
• The Texans' offense isn't nearly as complicated as the Pats. It was easier for him to get acclimated to the Texans' offense.
• Dobson has played one game less than him. He could at least hypothetically have a great jump in game two. If his drops were just opening game nerves, he doesn't have to improve much to get a lot more catches and yards. He would have broken 100 yards if he held onto three of the four balls he dropped.
• Let's not get too excited about one game. Let's see what he does over time.
• Unfortunately, Hopkins was drafted before the Pats could draft and I don't know if you could have predicted that the Texans were going to draft him since they already had an elite #1 WR and other needs. You don't typically take a #2 WR in the first round. Maybe the Pats would have drafted him if he was available at 31.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Hopkins was probably the most pro-ready WR in the draft. He is very polished and used to making big plays in big games. Obviously, he was not available to the pats in the draft. I would also note however, that he gets little to no separation, which is an area our young guys look to be proficient in.

Perhaps the Texans figured that the Pats were looking at Hopkins at pick 29 and decided to scoop him up at their pick at 27

Hopkins already predicts he wll be as good or even better than Andre Johnson.that may be a stretch 2 games into his career but the kid has made some amazing catches yesterday.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Several things:

• He's got Andre Johnson and a dominant running game giving him a lot of favorable match ups.
• He was a first round pick and should be more NFL ready than a second or fourth rounder and an UDFA. Hopkins should have made a more of an immediate splash than the Pats' rookies.
• The Texans' offense isn't nearly as complicated as the Pats. It was easier for him to get acclimated to the Texans' offense.
• Dobson has played one game less than him. He could at least hypothetically have a great jump in game two. If his drops were just opening game nerves, he doesn't have to improve much to get a lot more catches and yards. He would have broken 100 yards if he held onto three of the four balls he dropped.
• Let's not get too excited about one game. Let's see what he does over time.
• Unfortunately, Hopkins was drafted before the Pats could draft and I don't know if you could have predicted that the Texans were going to draft him since they already had an elite #1 WR and other needs. You don't typically take a #2 WR in the first round. Maybe the Pats would have drafted him if he was available at 31.

Also, I didn't see the play, but several sportswriters I follow on Twitter say Hopkins gets the blame for Schaub's pick six. Mistakes happen, and hopefully the player learns from them.

 

[SVN]

No comparison. Ask Schaub to run a 100 % rookie offense. Hopkins has Andre johnson, foster ,tate and host of other good players so he can come along slowly and also those guys help him out. Here its just brady.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Not having any real practice time headed into week 2 was huge


If we don't see measurable improvement after the 10 day layoff between games, i might be a tad concerned


new CBA rules certainly don't help rookie development one bit

 

[upstater1]

Perhaps Hopkins is more talented than our WRs at this point,but did any of you see the two great plays this rookie WR made to first tie the game in regulation against the Titans and then win it in overtime?

Perhaps?

The kid was the best WR in the draft.

In order to get him, the Patriots would have had to trade a 1st and 2nd rounder. Maybe he was worth that, in retrospect, but that was prior to the whole Hernandez fiasco.

 

[upstater1]

Bodden & Bedard put that goal line wrong route on Edelman, not Dobson.

Still, if Brady didn't throw the ball at the feet of Dobson he would have still scored - he had a good position on the DB to make the grab.

This is one of those things BB was talking about when he called people out for making assumptions without knowing the play call, we aren't going to find out if it was Dobson or Edelman.

I agree with your last point, but Dobson's head was not turned to Brady at all. No way Brady has enough time for Dobson to get separation right there. A split second later, Brady is getting hit. That ball needed to be released when it was released.

 

[Brady6]

Perhaps Hopkins is more talented than our WRs at this point,but did any of you see the two great plays this rookie WR made to first tie the game in regulation against the Titans and then win it in overtime?

Hopkins looked very green the first game then suddenly showed why he was drafted early and it seems Schaub is getting in sync with Hopkins rather quickly.

We can only hope that Dobson,Boyce and/or Thompkins can make plays like that combo did Sunday.

Oh,by the way the Pats are not the only 2-0 winning ugly...the Texans are as well and to me the Texans are supposed to be the team to beat in the AFC along with Denver.

Without question Hopkins is off to a fantastic start to his NFL career, he has been targeted 19 times resulting in 12 receptions for 183 yards and 1 touchdown in 2 games. I think we all would love to have that type of production from Dobson, Thompkins or Boyce, that said there likely was a reason why Hopkins was drafted 27th overall and Dobson was drafted 59th overall, Boyce 102nd overall, and Thompkins was not draft at all. At this point and time Hopkins is a better receiver, he was probably the most NFL ready receiver in the 2013 draft.

Hopkins also benefits from learning from and playing with one of the best to ever play the position Andre Johnson that impact should not go without recognition, look at the impact Chris Carter had on Randy Moss, Jerry Rice had on Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison had on Reggie Wayne, Issac Bruce had on Torry Holt, and so many more examples where a veteran all pro can mentor a younger player with a similar skill set into an all pro himself.

I would have loved to have drafted Hopkins, for that matter Tavon Austin too however they both went before we could even selected them even if we held the 29th overall pick instead of trading it, it is worth noting we don’t know if Belichick would of made the trade with the Vikings if Hopkins was still on the board.

 

[PatsFan2]

Several things:

• He's got Andre Johnson and a dominant running game giving him a lot of favorable match ups.
• He was a first round pick and should be more NFL ready than a second or fourth rounder and an UDFA. Hopkins should have made a more of an immediate splash than the Pats' rookies.
• The Texans' offense isn't nearly as complicated as the Pats. It was easier for him to get acclimated to the Texans' offense.
• Dobson has played one game less than him. He could at least hypothetically have a great jump in game two. If his drops were just opening game nerves, he doesn't have to improve much to get a lot more catches and yards. He would have broken 100 yards if he held onto three of the four balls he dropped.
• Let's not get too excited about o.ne game. Let's see what he does over time.
• Unfortunately, Hopkins was drafted before the Pats could draft and I don't know if you could have predicted that the Texans were going to draft him since they already had an elite #1 WR and other needs. You don't typically take a #2 WR in the first round. Maybe the Pats would have drafted him if he was available at 31.

Not Correct the Texans have been struggling to Find a #2 WR for years to pair with Andre Johnson. They had molasses Ken Walter for years. They finally hit on a Good young player DeAndre Hopkins who was considered to the most Pro Ready WR in the draft. Funny the guy they hit on has a similar name to their to their SuperStar Andre Johnson paired with DeAndre.

 

[jah]

Several things:

• He's got Andre Johnson and a dominant running game giving him a lot of favorable match ups.
• He was a first round pick and should be more NFL ready than a second or fourth rounder and an UDFA. Hopkins should have made a more of an immediate splash than the Pats' rookies.
• The Texans' offense isn't nearly as complicated as the Pats. It was easier for him to get acclimated to the Texans' offense.
• Dobson has played one game less than him. He could at least hypothetically have a great jump in game two. If his drops were just opening game nerves, he doesn't have to improve much to get a lot more catches and yards. He would have broken 100 yards if he held onto three of the four balls he dropped.
• Let's not get too excited about one game. Let's see what he does over time.
• Unfortunately, Hopkins was drafted before the Pats could draft and I don't know if you could have predicted that the Texans were going to draft him since they already had an elite #1 WR and other needs. You don't typically take a #2 WR in the first round. Maybe the Pats would have drafted him if he was available at 31.

I disagree. I saw Hopkins to the Texans in tons of mock drafts, including my own.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Perhaps?

The kid was the best WR in the draft.

In order to get him, the Patriots would have had to trade a 1st and 2nd rounder. Maybe he was worth that, in retrospect, but that was prior to the whole Hernandez fiasco.

There's no way it would have cost a 2nd rounder to move up 4 spots at the end of the 1st round.

San Fran traded 31 for 18 and it only cost a 3rd.

 

[Franchise12]

It's difficult form most rookies to come into the league and excel. but I believe that the patriots in particular have difficulties with developing receivers because this offense is predicated more on the requirement of our wide receivers making adjustments mid- play while symbiotically being on the same page as Brady. I'm pretty sure Hopkins is being asked to just run the routes in the route tree. If so, that is alot less than our receivers and that inherently lessens his mental errors. It's a tall task to ask rookie receivers to make the same adjustments as their HOF QB. Even a once great receiver like chad Johnson made tons of mental errors in the patriots system based on his inability to adjust mid play to Brady's liking. In Cincinnati all he had to do was run the route tree which makes things easier. My guess is, if we let our receivers run the route tree like most teams they'd be alright but it would ultimately take away some of the autonomy Brady has enjoyed over the years.

 

[upstater1]

There's no way it would have cost a 2nd rounder to move up 4 spots at the end of the 1st round.

San Fran traded 31 for 18 and it only cost a 3rd.

Who said 4 spots? You can't pick and choose your teams. If Seattle wanted Percy Harvin, it doesn't matter what the Patriots offered. And I believe San Fran offered a 3rd and a 5th, no? 3+5 = 2

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Who said 4 spots? You can't pick and choose your teams. If Seattle wanted Percy Harvin, it doesn't matter what the Patriots offered. And I believe San Fran offered a 3rd and a 5th, no? 3+5 = 2

Why would it cost #29 plus a 2nd to get what San Fran got for #31 plus a 3rd from a division rival (Or any pick from 18-27)?

And San Fran didn't offer a 3rd and 5th.

And no, a 3rd and 5th wouldn't get you 2nd.

 

[Gronkowski123]

Just simplify the offense. Adapt to your personel.