Matsuzaka to Boston: DONE DEAL!

[sdaniels7114]

Besides, you can never have enough starters. Injuries happen.

Somebody needs to tattoo that on Theo's hand.

BTW Pedro's '99 season was tremendous but nowhere near the best season ever. All the top pitchers got gift strike zones from the Umps that year. I can recall dozens of looking strike 3's where the ball was a good six inches outside for Pedro.

 

[mikiemo83]

satz - mikiemo83 - Beckett has ace "stuff", is 26, signed for 4(?) years, and a starter. You don't trade a guy like that for a closer unless you can get someone special. You certainly don't do it for someone like Gonzalez or Cordero. You trade replacable guys like Coco or Wily Mo and prospects for a closer.

I think he has the stuff but not the make-up - hell Clement has a great arm but you don't want to count on him do you? I think a little too fast, too soon for Beckett ruined him.

I hope I am wrong but gut feeling only tells me I am right

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

I think he has the stuff but not the make-up - hell Clement has a great arm but you don't want to count on him do you? I think a little too fast, too soon for Beckett ruined him.

I hope I am wrong but gut feeling only tells me I am right

Beckett and Clement aren't really comparable. Beckett has always been much better than Clement.

It isn't unreasonable to assume last year to simply be an adjustment year, as Beckett had to adjust to the Sox but more importantly pitching in the AL East. It also isn't unreasonable to hope that Beckett matures and puts some of his issues behind him.

He's not a sure thing to put it all together, but it is far from time to give up on him. Besides, as is he's at worst a #3 guy.

 

[Foley]

Clement is a fine pitcher... he just had serious injuries to both his rotator cuff and labrum. If a pitcher like Pedro can't pitch well with serious injuries to his shoulder, how would you expect a pitcher like Clement to pitch with worse ones?

And as much as people weren't satisfied with Beckett last season, he still lead the team in wins, starts and innings pitched. Was he great? Not even close. But he was still a capable pitcher who went out and made every start. I'd rather have that than all the scrubs who made spot starts at the end of the year. Lets not forget hes only 6 months older than Papelbon... if Papelbon puts up an 5.00ERA next season does that mean he sucks and doesn't have the make-up to succeed? There is plenty of time left for Beckett to be a very good pitcher.

 

[patriotspride]

clement was a lousy pitcher long before his injuries .

 

[Foley]

Prior to 2006 he had 7 straight seasons where he made 30 or more starts with ERAs averaging in the mid-4s. Nothing great, but a durable pitcher (prior to this year, obviously) with league average ERAs is a welcome addition to any rotation.

 

[TomBrady'sGoat]

Prior to 2006 he had 7 straight seasons where he made 30 or more starts with ERAs averaging in the mid-4s. Nothing great, but a durable pitcher (prior to this year, obviously) with league average ERAs is a welcome addition to any rotation.

i'm right there with you Foley. I have no issue with Matt Clement in the rotation. He's fine towards the back-end: sometimes he'll pitch great and sometimes he'll throw a stinker

the problem with Clement was that the fans were looking for Clement to be a #1 or 2, and the Sox were forced to pitch him there due to lack of other options. he'd throw a stinker and it would really hurt because worse guys were pitching the next couple days. slot Clement behind Schilling, Matsuzaka, Beckett, and Paplebon and he'd be just fine.

Sometimes I think league-average in underrated.

 

[patriotspride]

im glad you two arent running the team and luckily for redsox fans small balls clement will never pitch again for the redsox .

 

[Foley]

i'm right there with you Foley. I have no issue with Matt Clement in the rotation. He's fine towards the back-end: sometimes he'll pitch great and sometimes he'll throw a stinker

the problem with Clement was that the fans were looking for Clement to be a #1 or 2, and the Sox were forced to pitch him there due to lack of other options. he'd throw a stinker and it would really hurt because worse guys were pitching the next couple days. slot Clement behind Schilling, Matsuzaka, Beckett, and Paplebon and he'd be just fine.

Sometimes I think league-average in underrated.

I know you can do this with anyone to make them look better, but in 2005 Clement had a 17.18ERA in his 5 worst outings... in the other 27 outings he had a 3.23ERA. Thats what makes him from being anything but a decent back end of the rotation pitcher: #1s and #2s rarely have 5 outings a year where they completely fall apart. But a pitcher who is terrible 5 times and pretty good 27 times is a quality pitcher to have.

im glad you two arent running the team and luckily for redsox fans small balls clement will never pitch again for the redsox .

"small balls clement"? why do you call him that because he didn't pitch through two severe shoulder injuries? Does that make Pedro "small balls Pedro"?

 

[patriotspride]

i would try and explain it to you but you would never understand.

 

[mikiemo83]

Prior to 2006 he had 7 straight seasons where he made 30 or more starts with ERAs averaging in the mid-4s. Nothing great, but a durable pitcher (prior to this year, obviously) with league average ERAs is a welcome addition to any rotation.

that sounds like Wakefield's stats or American league Arroyo type of season but Clement makes big money and didn't give the fans the 20-4 with a 1.97 era season they wet dreamed over when he was signed

he is what he is and that is an injured pitcher who is indeed tough - you take one off the head and get out there as quick as he did

 

[Foley]

that sounds like Wakefield's stats or American league Arroyo type of season but Clement makes big money and didn't give the fans the 20-4 with a 1.97 era season they wet dreamed over when he was signed

he is what he is and that is an injured pitcher who is indeed tough - you take one off the head and get out there as quick as he did

Yeah. And Wakefield and Arroyo are good guys to have in your rotation. He is overpaid and I never argued against that, but that doesn't change the fact hes been a decent pitcher prior to 2006. Anyone who expected him to go 20-4 with a 1.97ERA is an idiot. Anyone who expected him to win more than 15 games with an ERA lower than 3.50 is an idiot.