Maroney's banged-up shoulder... [merged]

[bradmahn]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

You know, Seymour didn't produce when we needed it the most either. Steer clear of first round defensive lineman!

And Colvin couldn't even get on the field. Damn those useless free agent LBs.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Based on that thinking we don't need to draft anyone in the first round, there's always good producers later.

When healthy, Maroney looked not just good but totally special. Fast and explosive, yet strong.

I'll take Lawrence in retrospect, thank you very much.

No, I didn't say that. I said RBs are more succecptable to injury than at other positions. Fouth time I've said this. That makes them a big risk in the 1st round.

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

No, I didn't say that. I said RBs are more succecptable to injury than at other positions. Fouth time I've said this. That makes them a big risk in the 1st round.

You can say it 100 times, it's not going to change the fact that your assertion is knee-jerk and absurd.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

And Colvin couldn't even get on the field. Damn those useless free agent LBs.

Not my problem if you can't tell the difference between freak injuries and highly probable ones.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

You can say it 100 times, it's not going to change the fact that your assertion is knee-jerk and absurd.

It absurd to assume Maroney will be a great back for a full season w/o injury while having a tougher workload, harder schedule, and no one to spell him in 2007.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

No, I didn't say that. I said RBs are more succecptable to injury than at other positions. Fouth time I've said this. That makes them a big risk in the 1st round.

MAybe they are more of a risk, I haven't seen stats on it. But I also know that for a 5 year period a stud RB can kick a defense's ass like there's no tomorrow especially with a top QB. People always play the chicken and egg thing with OL vs. RB . . . well with a given OL a stud RB makes a huge difference and I still have no doubt Lawrence will fit that definition starting in September.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

You know, Seymour didn't produce when we needed it the most either. Steer clear of first round defensive lineman!

I guess you didn't watch Sey in action from 2001-2004.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

No, I didn't say that. I said RBs are more succecptable to injury than at other positions. Fouth time I've said this. That makes them a big risk in the 1st round.

You can produce documentation to support this assertion?

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I guess you didn't watch Sey in action from 2001-2004.

Don't you roll your eyes at me son, you're the one making all kinds of a fool out of yourself.

 

[sebman2112]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I think this guy has Maroney on his fantasy team..

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

MAybe they are more of a risk, I haven't seen stats on it. But I also know that for a 5 year period a stud RB can kick a defense's ass like there's no tomorrow especially with a top QB. People always play the chicken and egg thing with OL vs. RB . . . well with a given OL a stud RB makes a huge difference and I still have no doubt Lawrence will fit that definition starting in September.

Finally, another great post.

Joe Gibbs once said that if you give him mediocre QBs, RBs and WRs and a great offensive line, that he'll give you a great offense. All the more reason to stay away from RBs in the 1st round.

Look, I WANT TO SEE MARONEY SUCCEED. Maybe he will. But it's my belief that the Pats erred in the 2006 draft by taking a RB and WR high.

I understand the negative reactions from the other fans here. RBs are fun to watch and are second to QB in notability. Moreover, NOBODY wants to hear that their team MIGHT have made a mistake with their 1st round RB. That and I'm sure many Pats fans are tired of seeing Smith-like RBs and Reche-type WRs surrounding Tom Brady.

Therefore, I harbor no ill will.

I feel I made my point known by now. I've been wearing my flame suit for an hour now, so feel free to fire away!

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Joe Gibbs once said that if you give him mediocre QBs, RBs and WRs and a great offensive line, that he'll give you a great offense. All the more reason to stay away from RBs in the 1st round.

I guess we should trade Brady for two pro bowl OL then ?

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I guess we should trade Brady for two pro bowl OL then ?

Nah, Brady was a great value pick in the 6th!

Seriously, QB is the one skill position I value. You can get away with a Rypien and a Dilfer, but if you want to have a dynasty, or at least stay in championship contention year in and year out, you need a great QB.

Note that I've said RBs/WRs, not RBs/WRs/QBs.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

You don't value a good RB? Good WRs?

Wow.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

You don't value a good RB? Good WRs?

Wow.

I love them, but you don't need to burn high draft picks to get them.

Troy Brown (8th), David Patten (low-tier FA), David Givens (7th), Meion Branch (last pick in 2nd). We won with these guys and they were never a burden on the cap.

Neither were Faulk, Smith, and Dillon.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I love them, but you don't need to burn high draft picks to get them.

Troy Brown (8th), David Patten (low-tier FA), David Givens (7th), Meion Branch (last pick in 2nd). We won with these guys and they were never a burden on the cap.

Neither were Faulk, Smith, and Dillon.

You don't have to burn high draft picks at any position, technically. So what's your point?

 

[patfanken]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

What I want to know is why it took TWO freakin' months for anyone to "break" this story. Its not like Maroney disappeared for the last 2 months. Why didn'T ANYONE see him with a sling and then perhaps....ASK him about it????!!!!

I'm willing to bet that this story wasn't the first one to talk about Moroney's off season surgery. What "MIGHT" be news is that it was more extensive than originally thought. All we do know is BB ain't gonna shed any light on the issue anytime soon

I do have laugh at some of the posts in this thread. Are we all REALLY this starved for news that any random Pats related item will engender a 10 page thread?

 

[Alk]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Yeesh!! Instead of drafting a RB, I would like to see the Patriots throw a draft pick at the Jaguars in exhange for Greg Jones. I don't see how they're going to utilize him with all of the RBs they have now.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

You don't have to burn high draft picks at any position, technically. So what's your point?

Look at the Pats 1st round drafts from 2001-2004. Then you'll get my point.

DL is the most critical (outside of QB) to a team's continued success. Wilfork, Seymour, Warren. They are the backbone of the defense.

OLB Pass rushers are critical too. They struck gold with Vrabel, another low-tier FA and they signed two top-tier FA. Plus, BB inherited Willie McGinest.

If they didn't strike gold in the 4th with Samuel, I'll bet they would have drafted a DB somewhere in the 1st in the last 3 drafts. They wanted Marlin Jackson in 2005, but Indy grabbed him. They wanted Bryant McFadden in round 2 in 2005 but Pittsburgh grabbed him. I heard they would have taken Bob Sanders in 2004 round 2 but Indy took him.

I expect the Pats to go DB with at least one of their #1s.

WRs and RBs have a high bust rate and tend to be riskier picks.

OT NOTE: My brother gave me Season #1 of "24". I've never watch the show, don't watch much TV, but he swears by it. My wife and I will be watching the show for the very first time this week.

 

[Oswlek]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I expected this reaction to my post.

During the dynastic years, did we ever need to draft a RB?

We won 2 SBs with Antwain Smith. As a low tier FA, he had a good year in 2001 and sucked in 2002-2003. But he was durable and costed us nothing. Therefore his value was good.

We traded an extra #2 for Dillon and he gave us one great season, which was enough to help us win the SB. For that reason, Dillon has my grattitude.

With the new WR additions combined with CJ's rookie flop, it's safe to conclude that we traded a #2 and #3 to trade up for a WR who's going to be useless for at least his first two seasons.

Maroney's shoulder injury is a serious one that could affect him in 2007. If a 1st round RB can't produce in his first two seasons, he's a bust. The ONLY sane reason to draft a RB in the 1st is for him to make an instant impact. Maroney did well in the 1st half of 2006, but was a non-factor the rest of the way.

RBs get banged up and they don't usually last long. That's why RBs/WRs shouldn't be taken high in any draft.

Words cannot express how much I vehemently disagree with you on this one.

Not a single one of the big name LBs made big contributions last year. One was OK, but certianly didn't earn the "closest to a sure thing" label that was bestowed upon him. Another was a complete flop for the first 10 or so games, not even being on the active 45 for most of those. Another was lost for the season in the first of second game.

No more LBs in the first round, then!

I am sorry, but unless you are just trolling, this is some of the most idiotic stuff I have read in quite some time.