Maroney's banged-up shoulder... [merged]

[denverpatsfan]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Not good. Not good at all.

Why can't the Pats keep a RB healthy?

And yes I am overeacting.

Question. Did John Stephens have a better rookie season than Maroney??

Been meaning to look into this for a while.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Yet more proof that Tomase is being deliberate and careful - and that some of us are being a bit unfair and spazzy:


Maroney’s shoulder
Posted by John Tomase at 7:54 am

There’s a story in today’s Herald detailing running back Laurence Maroney’s postseason shoulder surgery. Before leaping to any conclusions (his career’s over! we need to draft another running back!) it’s important to note what we do and don’t know.

What we know: Maroney underwent surgery shortly after the season and what was hoped to be a routine procedure revealed more damage than expected. A league source termed it “fairly significant.” Maroney ended up in a sling and spent time in Foxboro rehabbing thereafter.

What we don’t know: Some crucial details, that we’ll work on bringing you in the next day or two. The first would be which shoulder. Is it his ball-carrying arm (generally his left) or his straight-arming one (generally his right)? The second would be exactly what the surgery repaired. A torn rotator cuff? Dislocation? A bone issue? And then there’s the most important question of all — how long he’ll be sidelined and what carryover effect, if any, there’ll be heading into the season. Best-case scenario, the problem is fixed and he’s ready to go for minicamp. But right now, these are all things we don’t know.

We’ll bring you more as we have it.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

The moral to this story: never draft RBs in the 1st round.

WRs too.

Better hope David Thomas becomes a great player. He and Ghost are looking like the most productive players from the 2006 draft.

When you blow a #1 and trade up into the 2nd for a bust WR, that's not good.

Always go with defense and OT in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

 

[rsd]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

The moral to this story: never draft RBs in the 1st round.

WRs too.

Better hope David Thomas becomes a great player. He and Ghost are looking like the most productive players from the 2006 draft.

When you blow a #1 and trade up into the 2nd for a bust WR, that's not good.

Always go with defense and OT in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

Jeez, don't jump to any conclusions now why don't you!

I love how people try to classify/categorize things into infallible rules of thumb. If anything, you should know by now that the Patriots do not limit themselves to any of these (e.g. saying they will never draft a Guard in Round 1 etc etc).

Got to love the "It's the end of the world!" mentality around here.

 

[Boston Jay]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I wouldn't say never ever ever draft an RB in the first round (but I would steer away from anybody named McGahee).

Tomlinson, Alexander, Sanders, and Sweetness come to mind.

1st round WRs sometimes pan out. Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Javon Walker, Roy Williams, Andre Johnson, etc.

Some second round WRs have been pretty sweet like TO (minus the brain), Chad Johnson, and Anquan Boldin. Steve Smith, Laveranues Coles and Hines Ward were third rounders. Heck, Donald Driver was a 7th round pick (213th overall ).

Remember when some well known hack said that we should have got David Terrell instead of Big Sey? Bwahaha. Sometimes they are busts.

Personally I would never pick a WR in the first round, but thank God I'm not the GM and Pioli is.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

The moral to this story: never draft RBs in the 1st round.

Right, because an injury to a #1 pick can only happen to a RB. That Tomlinson pick was awful.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Jeez, don't jump to any conclusions now why don't you!

I love how people try to classify/categorize things into infallible rules of thumb. If anything, you should know by now that the Patriots do not limit themselves to any of these (e.g. saying they will never draft a Guard in Round 1 etc etc).

Got to love the "It's the end of the world!" mentality around here.

I expected this reaction to my post.

During the dynastic years, did we ever need to draft a RB?

We won 2 SBs with Antwain Smith. As a low tier FA, he had a good year in 2001 and sucked in 2002-2003. But he was durable and costed us nothing. Therefore his value was good.

We traded an extra #2 for Dillon and he gave us one great season, which was enough to help us win the SB. For that reason, Dillon has my grattitude.

With the new WR additions combined with CJ's rookie flop, it's safe to conclude that we traded a #2 and #3 to trade up for a WR who's going to be useless for at least his first two seasons.

Maroney's shoulder injury is a serious one that could affect him in 2007. If a 1st round RB can't produce in his first two seasons, he's a bust. The ONLY sane reason to draft a RB in the 1st is for him to make an instant impact. Maroney did well in the 1st half of 2006, but was a non-factor the rest of the way.

RBs get banged up and they don't usually last long. That's why RBs/WRs shouldn't be taken high in any draft.

 

[PatsMyBoyz!]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Maroney will naturally be limited in the team's offseason program, but the injury isn't expected to threaten his 2007 season.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/03/welcome_to_phoe.html

 

[cstjohn17]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Bit of a bummer, I was hoping he would be able to focus on lifting during the offseason so he could better take the punishment, maybe try to bulk up to 225 or so. The injury will slow this down but is doesn't seem like the end of the world.

It is tainted and cruel but I look at running backs as being expendable and easily replaceable. Outside the top 5-10 runners in the league most production from RBs is fairly consistent and yardage is directly related to touches. What makes most of the top guys special (aside from physical gifts) is their ability to stay on the field. Any decent RB who touches the ball 15-20 times per game and can stay healthy will produce between 1000-1300 yards.

The Broncos have figured this out, why draft a round 1 RB when you can get the same production out of a Day 2 player.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Maroney will naturally be limited in the team's offseason program, but the injury isn't expected to threaten his 2007 season.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/03/welcome_to_phoe.html

I sincerely hope that article is right.

Regardless, Maroney's durabilty will be questioned from this point on.

 

[Boston Jay]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

The Broncos have figured this out, why draft a round 1 RB when you can get the same production out of a Day 2 player.

Yeah, I always thought them trading Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey was near a steal. Why pay him when you can get a shutdown corner and pluck grandma off the streets to play RB for you (and still get 1200 yards heh).

 

[zippo59]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

The moral to this story: never draft RBs in the 1st round.

WRs too.

Better hope David Thomas becomes a great player. He and Ghost are looking like the most productive players from the 2006 draft.

When you blow a #1 and trade up into the 2nd for a bust WR, that's not good.

Always go with defense and OT in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

Wait so now Maroney's a bust too?

:bricks:

Respectfully, that post is crap.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Wait so now Maroney's a bust too?

:bricks:

I didn't say that.

I said that if a 1st round RB can't be productive in his first two seasons, he's a bust.

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I sincerely hope that article is right.

Regardless, Maroney's durabilty will be questioned from this point on.

If you are honestly going to declare that Maroney is a bust because "Round 1 RBs are supposed to be productive in their first two seasons," yada yada yada. If it wasn't for all the crap said about Chad Jackson, I'd say that is the most shortsighted, ill advised assertion I have ever heard.

 

[zippo59]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

I didn't say that.

I said that if a 1st round RB can't be productive in his first two seasons, he's a bust.

I don't get why this shows we shouldn't draft RB's in the first round. Investing in a young RB for the future doesn't seem like bad idea to me. Just because we hadn't done it before doesn't mean we shouldn't do it now.

Most of the great running backs come from the first round. I just think you're making way too big a deal out of this. Reiss says the injury is not expected linger into next season.

And I personally feel that Maroney had a very promising rookie season. He was downright awesome at times, and is still developing into a receiver.

 

[bradmahn]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

"When you blow a #1"

If they blew the pick on Maroney, and he isn't a bust, how exactly would you describe him?

 

[patchick]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

The moral to this story: never draft RBs in the 1st round.

WRs too.

Because they got injured? Don't highly drafted players at other positions ever get hurt? Let's ask David Pollack, or maybe Andy Katzenmoyer. Or heck, Ben Roethlisberger could tell us something about it from the QB's perspective.

Manny Lawson might have been the right pick, and someday we'll look back with perfect hindsight and know. But a terrific start to the season followed by some nasty injuries doesn't make for a bad-judgment draft pick.

(Though I agree on round 1 WRs for other reasons. But round 2 for Jackson looked just fine at the time, we'll just have to see.)

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

If you are honestly going to declare that Maroney is a bust because "Round 1 RBs are supposed to be productive in their first two seasons," yada yada yada. If it wasn't for all the crap said about Chad Jackson, I'd say that is the most shortsighted, ill advised assertion I have ever heard.

If #1 RBs shouldn't have that expectation, then why draft them that high?

If the Pats drafted Kelly Jennings, CB Miami, Fla, who was productive in Seattle, or the guy I wanted, Manny Lawson, they might have won the SB. Maroney was a non-factor in the playoffs.

IMO, BB/Pioli were out of character in last year's draft. Or did any fan really believed that Maroney would be #1 and/or that they would trade a #2 and a #3 to draft CJ in the 2nd?

 

[sebman2112]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

Maroney will naturally be limited in the team's offseason program, but the injury isn't expected to threaten his 2007 season.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/03/welcome_to_phoe.html

Yup....

"On the news front, running back Laurence Maroney underwent shoulder surgery after the AFC Championship Game. That Maroney underwent surgery was first reported by the Boston Herald, and has been confirmed. Maroney will naturally be limited in the team's offseason program, but the injury isn't expected to threaten his 2007 season."

So according to Reiss this surgery was right after the AFCCG, so NE has known the extent of his injury since then. I it was really all that serious you would think a starting RB would have been picked up through FA, or they would have kept Dillon around? I don't think it's that serious, honestly.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Maroney's banged-up shoulder...

The moral to this story: never draft RBs in the 1st round.

WRs too.

Better hope David Thomas becomes a great player. He and Ghost are looking like the most productive players from the 2006 draft.

When you blow a #1 and trade up into the 2nd for a bust WR, that's not good.

Always go with defense and OT in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

You should've expected the reaction you're getting to this post. The guy has an injured shoulder. You jump all the way to "we should never draft a RB in the first round!" Are you kidding me? Relax. He might not miss any time whatsoever - and injuries are a part of the game. From what I saw, Maroney looks like a keeper. Hopefully he gets past the injury and moves forward along the track he was on last year.

I really think you've gone off the deep-end. Talk about knee-jerk chicken little-ing.