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I didn't make up the numbers. They are easily verifiable on NFL.com. But I'm sure NFL.com is being "unreasonable" with all those cold, hard facts and numbers.

You are being unreasonable in your interpretation of the numbers. You only look at them in the most damning and negative way possible, refusing to even consider, for a second, that your interpretation is flawed.

You are seeing only what you want to see.
 
Bingo. You can't argue this. If Corey Dillon of 2004 was on this team he'd be knocking on 1000 yards by now, at least.

There are a few flaws with this argument.

1) The 2004 Corey Dillon was a 8th year player coming to a new team and playing with a chip on his shoulder.
2) The 2004 Corey Dillon did NOT have a HOF caliber WR lining up on the field with him. He has 2 #2 type receivers and a #3. So he was getting more reps. Oh, and the Pats didn't have a true #2 behind him. They had Faulk as their 3rd down back and then Patrick Pass.
3) The 2004 Corey Dillon wasn't coming off major shoulder surgery.

So, yes I can argue it very easily because you are attempting to compare apples to oranges.
 
I think this is a great ploy by NSA (who started this thread) to move up to "In the Starting Line-up".
 
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One more thing. The people saying Maroney would be putting up those numbers don't get the point. He doesn't get those carries because the coaches don't feel he can handle the load without A) getting injured or B)getting shut down. It's like these baseball fans who feel that the part-time outfielder who hits a HR every 15 at bats and hits .300 in just 250 at bats needs to be given 600 at bats a year because they think it will translate into MVP numbers. Then, when some stupid general manager from another team signs the guy and he gets his BIG BREAK, he turns into a DUD because he can't handle the load. It's the same reason why AJ Feeley is the PERFECT backup QB who can keep a team together for 4-6 games, but fails miserably as a starter because he can't handle the load over the course of a full season without defenses exposing him as time goes on and his tendencies and weaknesses are discovered. Maroney doesn't get the ball more because he is not an IMPACT PLAYER. Period.

How do you know that the coaches don't feel he can handle the load?? Thats total SPECULATION on your part and does NOT have any support in reality.

BTW, Tom Brady would have failed miserably in Miami with that team. That is not to say that Feeley is great or anything, just that you can't sit there and say that he only good as a part time player.

I find it amazing that you, VJC and Grizz totally ignore the fact that Maroney is the Pats #1 RB. You totally IGNORE that the Pats had the Buffalo game well in hand and that there was NO REASON to run Maroney more. In fact, it would have been a slap in the face to Belichick's friend, Jauron, to run Maroney in the 2nd half. At least with Eckel and Evans, Belichick couldn't be accused of running his #1 RB out there in an attempt to drive up the score. Not to mention that the Pats ran the ball 20 times in the second half compared to just 14 passes.

Its amazing how you IGNORE that the Eagles pass defense is putrid and ranked so low in the league, yet you think that the Pats should slam Maroney against their excellent run defense.

You clearly see ONLY what you want to see. You don't look at the big picture and you really have very little understanding of strategy and tactics in the game of football.
 
I didn't make up the numbers. They are easily verifiable on NFL.com. But I'm sure NFL.com is being "unreasonable" with all those cold, hard facts and numbers.

Its unreasonable for you to assume that Maroney will have the same success against every defense that he faces. Its unreasonable for you to think that the Pats will run the same game plan out there week after week, especially when the coach has stated time and again that they have a new game plan every week and that plan is predicated on exposing the other teams weaknesses and nullifying their strengths.

Maybe you should look at the defenses that Maroney had to face.
Indy, they were sporting the 10th ranked run defense (pretty amazing huh). The Eagles are ALSO sporting a top 10 run defense. The Bills have a crappy run defense, but a worse pass defense.

The Pats ran Maroney 15 times against Indy and 14 times aganst Washington.

The Pats didn't need to run him more against the Bills. And the chose to expose the Eagles pass defense.

That doesn't mean Maroney sucks or is average. It means that the Pats are chosing how to best use the weapons they have. And the Pats have a LOT of weapons.
 
There are a few flaws with this argument.

1) The 2004 Corey Dillon was a 8th year player coming to a new team and playing with a chip on his shoulder.

Edgerrin James - Year 2 387 att 1709 yards 4.4 ypc 13 TDs
Marshall Faulk - Year 2 289 att 1078 yards 3.7 ypc 11 TDs

With the "it's only his second year excuse" for Maroney you once again fall flat on your face.

(Verifiable on nfl.com or http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/)

2) The 2004 Corey Dillon did NOT have a HOF caliber WR lining up on the field with him. He has 2 #2 type receivers and a #3. So he was getting more reps. Oh, and the Pats didn't have a true #2 behind him. They had Faulk as their 3rd down back and then Patrick Pass.

Oh so now it's the Wide Receivers' fault?

James had a healthy Marvin Harrison in his prime and Reggie Wayne on the SAME team.
Faulk had a healthy Isaac Bruce in his prime and Torry Holt on the SAME team.
They both were extremely productive while playing in "pass oriented" offenses.
Again this argument fails to hold water given any kind of factual investigation.

(Verify it yourself on http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/)

3) The 2004 Corey Dillon wasn't coming off major shoulder surgery.

So, yes I can argue it very easily because you are attempting to compare apples to oranges.

Oh so now we pull out the injury excuse. So which is it? Is Maroney injury prone or not? How do you explain the lack of production otherwise in such a potent offense? You can't because it is what it is. Maroney has an easy way to silence critics, PRODUCE. All we've heard are your convenient excuses which hold no water once we look at the simple facts.
 
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Edgerrin James - Year 2 387 att 1709 yards 4.4 ypc 13 TDs
Marshall Faulk - Year 2 289 att 1078 yards 3.7 ypc 11 TDs

With the "it's only his second year excuse" for Maroney you once again fall flat on your face.

(Verifiable on nfl.com or http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/)

You are laughable with how you cherry pick your numbers. TOTALLY LAUGHABLE. First you mention James during the Colts great year and Peyton putting up 48 TDs, then you switch it to his 2nd year as if that makes them comparable. It doesn't.

Then, you mention Faulk during the Rams great run, but then change your tune to his 2nd year, which was when he was on the COLTS. Faulk had to carry that team because all they had was Harbaugh and 2 no names. They also didn't have the WRs the Pats have.

Same with Dillon. 1st you say the 2004 Dillon and then you switch to Dillon's 2nd year, which was with the Bengals. You do realize that Dillon had to carry that team because they went through 4 QBs, right?

Sorry, but I haven't fallen flat on my face. But you are too ignorant to understand that.

Again, NONE of them were coming off a major SHOULDER SURGERY. So, please, make sure you have an idea of what you are talking about.

Also, lets look at some other things.
Indy's record during James 2nd year. 10-6. And the Colts didn't have any other quality running backs to speak of. They ran a 1 back system.





Oh so now it's the Wide Receivers' fault?
James had a healthy Marvin Harrison in his prime and Reggie Wayne on the SAME team.
Faulk had a healthy Isaac Bruce in his prime and Torry Holt on the SAME team.
Again this argument fails to hold water given any kind of factual investigation.

(Verify it yourself on http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/)

Man, you just love jumping to idiotic half-ass conclusions, don't you? Where did I say it was the receivers fault? Hmm? What? Can't find it? Yeah, that's right. You can't because I didn't say it.

What I said, idiot, was that the RECEIVERS got more reps than the RBs did. That doesn't make it their FAULT. That is just the facts that the offenses you mentioned were predicated on a SINGLE RB system with a couple of great receivers. The Pats don't use a SINGLE RB. The Pats started the year with 3 different backs. Maroney as the Primary. Morris as the short-yardage/#2, and Faulk as the 3rd down back.

Sorry, nothing about my argument fails to hold water. You only claim it does because you insist on making assumptions about what is being said.


Oh so now we pull out the injury excuse. So which is it? Is Maroney injury prone or not? How do you explain the lack of production otherwise in such a potent offense? You can't because it is what it is. Maroney has an easy way to silence critics, PRODUCE. All we've heard are your convenient excuses which hold no water once we look at the simple facts.

Well, nothing about injuries is black and white. And your pathetic attempt to say that it is shows your lack of cognitive ability in general.

Maroney isn't injury prone. He's had 2 injuries. His ribs and shoulder and then the injury this year.

So far, the "critics" have proven themselves to be know-nothing imbeciles who attempt to put a square peg in a round hole and insist their arguments have vailidity because they cherry-pick stats and ignore other salient facts.

Sorry, but there are no excuses coming from me. I deal with REALITY. Unlike YOU, who cherry-picks stats and just flat out lies about what people are saying.
 
Hey VJC, how about you go and read my reply to your assinine comparisons to the 2004 Colts, the 1999 Rams and the 1984 Dolphins.

In all the comparisons, you show the accomplishments of experienced runners. In your Colts and Rams comparison, the had a delineated Primary and Secondary back with the secondary back getting 1 carry for every for of the primary, if he got that many.

Why not look at how good Maroney was playing last year prior to his injury? He was well on his way to putting up 1000 yards. Is it his fault that he took a body shot that dislocated 2 ribs and injured his shoulder? Please, tell me what strength and conditioning exercises one can to do ensure you don't get your ribs dislocated by a hit from a 300 lb lineman landing on you.
 
Here are the first 3 years of someone I bet everyone on this board would love to have in the backfield. His first 2 years weren't statistically impressive either.......

YEAR GAMES ATT YDS YPC

2005 13 138 538 3.9
2006 16 135 654 4.8
2007 11 145 715 4.9


Care to guess who this is?

My point is, don't give up on Maroney yet.
 
Here are the first 3 years of someone I bet everyone on this board would love to have in the backfield. His first 2 years weren't statistically impressive either.......

YEAR GAMES ATT YDS YPC

2005 13 138 538 3.9
2006 16 135 654 4.8
2007 11 145 715 4.9


Care to guess who this is?

My point is, don't give up on Maroney yet.

Why that would be Lomo's old running mate Marion Barber the Third, who in his third year, is slowly prying the starting job away from Jones.
 
Why that would be Lomo's old running mate Marion Barber the Third, who in his third year, is slowly prying the starting job away from Jones.

Ding Ding Ding, Johnny tell them what they've won!

Maybe its the hair but I think Maroney could end up looking like Barber once he gets some consistent touches and learns to dance less and hit more.

There are a lot of late bloomers in the NFL. Its only Maroney's 2nd season.
 
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