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You painted Tebow's pro-life position as religious extremist. As two of us now have pointed out, polls show that a majority of Americans are pro-life. Ergo, it is not an "extremist" position. To the contrary, it is (slightly) more mainstream than the pro-choice position.

It really isn't that difficult to understand...even a "moron" like me understands it. I'm sure a super-sharp Mensa member like you can come to grips with it.
I call bull**** on this post. The polls for the first time since 1995 was it? So America has undergone a swing in a short time? Good for you. I told you why I, you know me personally do not like the conduct of some public religious figure because of their divisive nature.

Tebow is young. He is idealistic. That may change and wain over time, but for now he is a message basher with massive queries over his projected success at the next level.
 
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You painted Tebow's pro-life position as religious extremist. As two of us now have pointed out, polls show that a majority of Americans are pro-life. Ergo, it is not an "extremist" position. To the contrary, it is (slightly) more mainstream than the pro-choice position.

It really isn't that difficult to understand...even a "moron" like me understands it. I'm sure a super-sharp Mensa member like you can come to grips with it.

A recent poll revealed that 87.3% of Americans believe poll results to be utter bulls**t. Except for those polls that confirm their own previously held beliefs about what other Americans think.
 
If Tebow is there after our edge rusher is locked up then why not? Can you imagine TT and Brady patrolling the sidelines together, the legend and the student, a torch to be passed at a later time. Not to mention, I honestly feel like our QB has softened up a bit (post Giselle), it's time to re-light a little fire under #12, what better way to do it ?

There are alot of plays that can be designed for Mr. Tebow to allow him to contribute right away (HBack, wildcat you name it) while we wait for him to gell into a top flight QB to receive the torch from #12. On and off the field, what a great presence he would be for this football team.

My problem with this is that there isn't any reason to think things will "gel" for him, intelligence wise, mechanics wise, or anything wise.

Hard working, good athlete, great "intangibles"...that describs about 9 out of 10 QBs who fail utterly. He's a complete project...and there are other more promising ones until you get to about the 7th round.
 
Hard working, good athlete, great "intangibles"...that describs about 9 out of 10 QBs who fail utterly. He's a complete project...and there are other more promising ones until you get to about the 7th round.
Kind of glossing over the fact that he's also one of the most productive quarterbacks in NCAA history, aren't we? This isn't someone who had moderate success at East Carolina against Conference USA teams. He's arguably the greatest quarterback in the history of the Southeastern Conference.
 
I call bull**** on this post. The polls for the first time since 1995 was it? So America has undergone a swing in a short time? Good for you. I told you why I, you know me personally do not like the conduct of some public religious figure because of their divisive nature.

Tebow is young. He is idealistic. That may change and wain over time, but for now he is a message basher with massive queries over his projected success at the next level.

This isn't that difficult. More Americans are pro-life than pro-choice now. Even at the height of America being pro-choice, there was still a high percentage of people that were pro-life. Very clearly, whether you like it or not, the pro-life position is hardly extremist - it's very mainstream. I get that you are against people that are outspoken about their faith. That much is obvious. But that speaks to your own personal prejudice.....not Tebow's. <shrug>
 
Kind of glossing over the fact that he's also one of the most productive quarterbacks in NCAA history, aren't we? This isn't someone who had moderate success at East Carolina against Conference USA teams. He's arguably the greatest quarterback in the history of the Southeastern Conference.

I agree, and I posted his career stats in an earlier post. Those stats are eye-popping. And he did it in the toughest conference in the country (last 4 national champs were from the SEC). He may not be a good NFL quarterback....but he's worth somebody taking a shot.
 
Did any of you read this...?


So it's worth noting that Tiller got a chuckle this week when reading the alarmist media accounts from Monday's Senior Bowl practice in Mobile, Ala., when Florida star Tim Tebow -- himself a shotgun quarterback throughout his college career -- fumbled several snaps under center.

"I can remember NFL critics saying the same thing when Drew was a senior," Tiller said Thursday. "'He's in that Purdue offense all the time. He lines up in the shotgun all the time, and our guys line up under center.''


"Actually, I think a guy coming out in the shotgun is better equipped than a guy coming out of center," said the ever-outspoken coach. "The one thing that's changed dramatically [in the NFL] is the speed of the defensive linemen and the different ways people are blitzing. The quarterback almost has to be back at shotgun to see it all.

"But the pros have always known more than college coaches know. They must have invented the sport there."


"I do see where NFL coaches come from in that they need a guy to be able to throw the ball before the receiver is looking and have the whole thing perfectly orchestrated," said Brown. "But Tiller and Chaney were one of the first groups I saw that effectively taught the three-step drop from shotgun. If you think back to NFL guys like Marino and Elway and Jim Kelly who spent a lot of time in the shotgun in the late-'80s and mid-1990s, they never threw [quick] drop passes, which is precisely why Bill Walsh never liked the shotgun and you never saw much of it in the NFL until later. I think it still explains much of the animosity to spread quarterbacks. There's the idea that you can't teach timing. But it's also no surprise that Tiller thinks it's hogwash, because he's been doing it since 1997."

Florida coach Meyer has not yet enjoyed the same track record with his spread-groomed QBs. His acclaimed Utah protégé, Alex Smith, has largely been a disappointment for the 49ers after going No. 1 overall in the 2006 draft. Tebow's Gator predecessor, Chris Leak, went undrafted and now plays in the CFL. Under considerable scrutiny following his star-studded Florida career, Tebow has garnered harsh reviews for his practice performances this week leading into Saturday's Senior Bowl, none more so than from ESPN's draft analyst Todd McShay.

"I've never seen a quarterback at an All-Star game like this with such an obvious delivery issue," said McShay, who called Tebow a "third-round pick at best," adding, "He needs either to strip down and start over completely as a passer ... or he may need to play a different position in the NFL."


Brees, unlike Tebow, drew no such criticisms about his mechanics coming out of college; his main issue was his height (6-foot). He did have a similar experience, however.

Drew Brees' NFL success should help Tim Tebow's NFL draft stock - Stewart Mandel - SI.com
 
This isn't that difficult. More Americans are pro-life than pro-choice now. Even at the height of America being pro-choice, there was still a high percentage of people that were pro-life. Very clearly, whether you like it or not, the pro-life position is hardly extremist - it's very mainstream. I get that you are against people that are outspoken about their faith. That much is obvious. But that speaks to your own personal prejudice.....not Tebow's. <shrug>
Oh there they go, there there they go. Put your head in the sand if you like but religion continues to be a powerful divisional tool in society. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am a firm believer in that. The fact that now polling in the USA reflects Pro-Life will be bashed until the Cows come home. It's been strategically timed by the sponsors with a person of significance.

Read carefully now ivanvamp. I am pro-choice as I am a male. I cannot fathom what kind of decision it would be like for a woman to make or indeed not make. All I am saying is, people that take moral standpoints on one issue very rarely make it just one issue. It extends and extends and extends.

Tebow, given his charitable work and character appears to be a great kid. I'm just not sure how his skill set is going to fit in with the Patriots needs. His religious view points are secondary to that.
 
Okay folks, I don't know why people feel compelled to argue religion and abortion politics in a draft forum, but put a condom on it and go into the political forum.

The bottom line with Tebow is he'll need a coach who has a clear vision of how to use his strengths and correct/improve his weaknesses. If NE still had McDaniels I'd think BB would give Tebow serious consideration, I'm not sure Billy O'Brien is ready to tackle that challenge (OC bashers take it elsewhere, this a Tebow thread). BB may have thought about how to use Tebow, but I've got to think an offense geared towards using Tommy Brady's skill set to it's fullest would be strained if it had to switch to a Tebow skill set on short notice - the switch from Brady to Cassel was strain enough.
 
Oh there they go, there there they go. Put your head in the sand if you like but religion continues to be a powerful divisional tool in society. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am a firm believer in that. The fact that now polling in the USA reflects Pro-Life will be bashed until the Cows come home. It's been strategically timed by the sponsors with a person of significance.

Read carefully now ivanvamp. I am pro-choice as I am a male. I cannot fathom what kind of decision it would be like for a woman to make or indeed not make. All I am saying is, people that take moral standpoints on one issue very rarely make it just one issue. It extends and extends and extends.

Tebow, given his charitable work and character appears to be a great kid. I'm just not sure how his skill set is going to fit in with the Patriots needs. His religious view points are secondary to that.

Then why did you even bring it up? Tons of *great* players that you'd probably love to have on the Pats are, as it turns out, outspoken Christians.

That you're not in love with Tebow's skill set (bringing it back to football), I can fully understand. What amazes me is this: it shows just how different the pro game is from the college game. An all-time college great QB in the best conference in the country, that's put up ridiculous stats *and* has won 2 national championships (and one Heisman)...because of some bad mechanics, people question whether he can be a remotely successful NFL quarterback.

And nobody bats an eye when that criticism of Tebow is raised, and rightfully so. The NFL is just that much harder than college.

(hey, something we can agree on!)
 
Almost no one believe's he'll be a good qb in the NFL? So, you just kinda listen to what the majority says, and go with it? As a matter of fact, there are a lot of people out there who think Tebow, if given time, will be a good QB in the NFL. Do some research and see both sides of the story.

I have, and no, there aren't.

Wishful thinking on your part, and little else. Just because there are "people" out there who "think" he will be a good NFL QB, that doesn't make their opinion worth the bytes required to store them in my browser cache.
 
Then why did you even bring it up? Tons of *great* players that you'd probably love to have on the Pats are, as it turns out, outspoken Christians.

That you're not in love with Tebow's skill set (bringing it back to football), I can fully understand. What amazes me is this: it shows just how different the pro game is from the college game. An all-time college great QB in the best conference in the country, that's put up ridiculous stats *and* has won 2 national championships (and one Heisman)...because of some bad mechanics, people question whether he can be a remotely successful NFL quarterback.

And nobody bats an eye when that criticism of Tebow is raised, and rightfully so. The NFL is just that much harder than college.

(hey, something we can agree on!)
Some of them may be outspoken, but few are as young as Tebow and won't have to burden being the face of an issue like he will be for the rest of his career.

The rest, well we agree upon that.
 
This isn't that difficult. More Americans are pro-life than pro-choice now. Even at the height of America being pro-choice, there was still a high percentage of people that were pro-life. Very clearly, whether you like it or not, the pro-life position is hardly extremist - it's very mainstream. I get that you are against people that are outspoken about their faith. That much is obvious. But that speaks to your own personal prejudice.....not Tebow's. <shrug>

Actually, that's not really true.

The most recent polling on the topic finds 52 percent of Americans believe abortion should be always or usually legal, while 42 percent believe it should be usually or always illegal.

Abortion

And it's not the fact that he's pro-life that makes him "extremist" (not sure I would use that term to describe him). But he really needs to keep this crap to himself.
 
Kind of glossing over the fact that he's also one of the most productive quarterbacks in NCAA history, aren't we? This isn't someone who had moderate success at East Carolina against Conference USA teams. He's arguably the greatest quarterback in the history of the Southeastern Conference.

How much of that is due to him and how much to his team? WAsn't there a Heisman winner from the SEC a while back who went undrafted? Or if drafted late he did nothign in the NFL.

College and pro is a lot different, especially when your line doesn't give you 5 seconds to do your wind up and throw to your stared down receiver like it does in Flordia. Past success is not necessarily indicative of future success.
 
Okay folks, I don't know why people feel compelled to argue religion and abortion politics in a draft forum, but put a condom on it and go into the political forum.

Thank You.

Edit: for the record, I think that Tebow is a horrible fit here. He is off my board completely, and wouldn't be a consideration even in the 7th round.

We already have a developmental QB; it's time to develop some WRs & Pass-Rushers.
 
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This seems relevant again.
 
Never. Felger predicted that the Patriots will draft Tebow so it ain't gonna happen. Nor should it.
 
I'm not a big Tebow fan, but I have to admit I'm really impressed with the significant changes he's made to his delivery. More significant than his mechanics, I think it speaks volumes about his work ethic and ability to accept coaching. I'm not saying we burn one of our top 4 picks on him, but I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him after that, though I doubt he'll last that long.
 
I'm not a big Tebow fan, but I have to admit I'm really impressed with the significant changes he's made to his delivery. More significant than his mechanics, I think it speaks volumes about his work ethic and ability to accept coaching. I'm not saying we burn one of our top 4 picks on him, but I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him after that, though I doubt he'll last that long.

I wouldn't be.. The pro days the players hold in their own are scripted.. The real truth will be when he visits teams and they have 4-5 hours to run him thru their gauntlet.
 
I wouldn't be.. The pro days the players hold in their own are scripted.. The real truth will be when he visits teams and they have 4-5 hours to run him thru their gauntlet.

It's true that the pro days are scripted, but with Tebow, he's in a much different situation. He's not running through a set list of throws so much as he has to concentrate on each individual throw. Things that are natural for the other QBs are a struggle for him. So you can't help but be impressed with the significant changes he's made in such a short time.

The personal visits are going to be significant and mean a lot more, I agree. But as far as first impressions since he decided to change his throwing mechanics, I'm definitely impressed.
 
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