Patriots Player Departure Josh Gordon Stepping Away?

[maineman209]

Here's a few of the posts. I know there are more but I didn't want to go through the other half of the thread.






That one is actually a double quit followed by a confirmation...






So please, tell me how I'm wrong and that isn't quitting on the team. It looks like the definition of the word.

One more win and the Pats are AFCE Champs and in the playoffs. Two more wins + one loss by the Texans and the Pats are the #2 seed with a BYE (I think).

AFAIK, the only way for a team to have zero chance of winning the SB is by missing the playoffs. The Pats aren't there yet.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Here's a few of the posts. I know there are more but I didn't want to go through the other half of the thread.

That one is actually a double quit followed by a confirmation...

So please, tell me how I'm wrong and that isn't quitting on the team. It looks like the definition of the word.

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you saying because these posters are basically writing the team off they are not true fans of the team?

Many of the posters you called out I know for a fact are legit fans.

Do they have a chance to make it to the SB? Of course they do. Its accurate to say the team is not as strong as past teams that did make it. Because that is a fact, the skepticism is warranted.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you saying because these posters are basically writing the team off they are not true fans of the team?

Many of the posters you called out I know for a fact are legit fans.

Do they have a chance to make it to the SB? Of course they do. Its accurate to say the team is not as strong as past teams that did make it. Because that is a fact, the skepticism is warranted.

I don’t think he’s saying they’re not true fans he’s just calling them for quitting on the season since some posters are saying they haven’t quit on this team.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

Here's a few of the posts. I know there are more but I didn't want to go through the other half of the thread.






That one is actually a double quit followed by a confirmation...






So please, tell me how I'm wrong and that isn't quitting on the team. It looks like the definition of the word.

If by quitting you mean not believing this team will win the SB, then yes, I am a quitter. I don't see how anyone with sense can sit here and look at this team and honestly think they are winning the SB.

Even reaching it is a stretch at this point.... And that was before they lost their best receiver. That doesn't mean I won't still be watching every game and cheering them like I always do. I would love to be proven wrong.

But anyone doubting or "quitting" on this teams chances at a title this year has every right to do so given the state and position of this team right now.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don’t think he’s saying they’re not true fans he’s just calling them for quitting on the season since some posters are saying they haven’t quit on this team.

Ah ok.

I think saying, "They're done". is stating a belief in which said fan gives the team zero chance of winning the Super Bowl. Is that quitting on the team? No. Its quitting on the their chances this year. If they stay actively engaged, watch the games and root for the team throughout the playoffs (which they will all certainly do) that is not quitting.

 

[Triumph]

Here's a few of the posts. I know there are more but I didn't want to go through the other half of the thread.







That one is actually a double quit followed by a confirmation...






So please, tell me how I'm wrong and that isn't quitting on the team. It looks like the definition of the word.

The Pats are not getting to the Super Bowl THIS season. Its plain to see that THIS team has too many problems.

Beating Buffalo and the Jets will not change my opinion.

Lets talk draft.

 

[maineman209]

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you saying because these posters are basically writing the team off they are not true fans of the team?

Many of the posters you called out I know for a fact are legit fans.

Do they have a chance to make it to the SB? Of course they do. Its accurate to say the team is not as strong as past teams that did make it. Because that is a fact, the skepticism is warranted.

I'm not sure it's just skepticism. To me, the argument seems to be this:

GROUP 1: "The Pats have no chance to win the SB now!"

GROUP 2: "They still have a chance!"

GROUP 1: "Well, if you think so, that makes you a fairweather/bandwagon fan!"

ME: "Bartender?"

 

[RobertWeathers]

In terms of the amount of work I've been doing (volunteer), not so retired. In terms of annual income, definitely retired.

But, spreadsheets have always been my thing, regardless.

My father in-law is retired and lives in Maine. His career was of the white-collar variety with a focus on operations and finance.

Unless he is living a double-life, I know you aren't him because he doesn't follow the Pats as closely as you do.

To confirm, I'll ask him tomorrow what Elandon Roberts' comp. % against is.

 

[signbabybrady]

If it's not huge differences, it's not solving the run defense problem.


Seriously, you need to get a hold of yourself on stuff like this. You tried to assert that this team has as good a chance to win as any in the past decade, which is patently absurd. The moment you wrote that down, you should have known that you needed a self-intervention.

Seriously I think others need to get a hold of their selves. I don't think you have a good perspective on just how small the margin is from one team to the next.
"If it's not huge differences, it's not solving the run defense problem."
The difference between us and all but 5 teams is one yard per attempt. And no one is more than 1.5 difference. I don't think at this point in the year we'll stop the run like the 03 Pats but small improvement could take us from 30th to 15th in the league.

It seems like people around here expect 19-0 or we have zero shot at a Super Bowl. Where as I remember we lost when we were 16-0 and we've won when we were 11-5. This team has the NFLs best winning percentage against other teams with winning records so forgive me if I think they have as good a shot as any this year to win.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm not sure it's just skepticism. To me, the argument seems to be this:

GROUP 1: "The Pats have no chance to win the SB now!"

GROUP 2: "They still have a chance!"

GROUP 1: "Well, if you think so, that makes you a fairweather/bandwagon fan!"

ME: "Bartender?"

Hell I don't think they have a great chance either. Their run D sucks and I don't see the personnel on the roster to fix it. Their offense has lacked rhythm and consistency all year and thinking it'll suddenly turn into a well-oiled machine is fanciful.

With that said, if they land the #2 seed and get 2 home games they have a decent shot.

If they go on the road vs a team with a good D and strong running game and is overall a bad matchup, they could win but I'm not optimistic.

 

[maineman209]

Hell I don't think they have a great chance either. Their run D sucks and I don't see the personnel on the roster to fix it. Their offense has lacked rhythm and consistency all year and thinking it'll suddenly turn into a well-oiled machine is fanciful.

With that said, if they land the #2 seed and get 2 home games they have a decent shot.

If they go on the road vs a team with a good D and strong running game and is overall a bad matchup, they could win but I'm not optimistic.

Big difference between being less than optimistic and saying there's "no chance", "the Pats are done", etc.

I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic. My only major concern right now is where tf that bartender is with my beer. Gotta have your priorities straight, y'know?

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Ah ok.

I think saying, "They're done". is stating a belief in which said fan gives the team zero chance of winning the Super Bowl. Is that quitting on the team? No. Its quitting on the their chances this year. If they stay actively engaged, watch the games and root for the team throughout the playoffs (which they will all certainly do) that is not quitting.

I tend to agree. It’s funny to see where this thread has gone to since the news broke. Never seems to disappoint.

 

[Coolade2]

Lots of examples of other teams having bad stretches but still putting it together and winning super bowl. It's not over. One game at a time.. let's .GGGOOOOOO..!!!

 

[patsinthesnow]

For me, it’s tough to access the team’s SB chances at this moment in time on team strength alone. The playoff field & structure is arguably a bigger variable.

If you think the team can’t win one home game then go on the road in a 30,000 capacity stadium where 20,000 fans would be Patriots fans & upset the Chargers, I’d call that quitting.

If you think the team cannot: beat the Ravens at home, then go on the road & beat the Texans & then finally pull off the upset against the Chiefs at Arrowhead I would call you realistic (and agree).

Need the final two weeks of the regular season to play out as the team’s SB path could range from daunting to reasonable.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I tend to agree. It’s funny to see where this thread has gone to since the news broke. Never seems to disappoint.

Ian can sell this as a reality show. Make it a TMZ show/Jersey Shore format. Come up with a Patriots topic and have me, you, Andy, Deus, Kontra and a couple of casting couch GDT chix littles sitting around drinking beers and watch all hell break loose.

 

[neuronet]

Well that sucks he doesn't have the mental toughness to be a Patriot. He should join the Eagles so he can have fun.

In retrospect, especially in light of how other players like Edelman have reacted, I think this was probably unfair to Gordon.

 

[Guts]

Get to the playoffs and anything can happen. We have seen it time and time again. The Eagles last year were considered done losing their MVP QB and almost losing the ATL game and then Foles went nuts. So anything can happen and I like our chances having TB and BB leading the team as bad as it has looked recently.

 

[Sully]

Because hes a great football player when on the straight and narrow. Only costs a 5th round pick and he delivered up until this week.

I understand it’s a 5th but we could have used that pick as additional capital to acquire Tate or Thomas. Plus the time,resources and special treatment to get Gordon up to speed was just was not worth it, now that we see him bailing right before the playoffs.

 

[TB_Helmet]

I think it’s fine to not expect the Pats to win the Super Bowl and saying you don’t think they will isn’t quitting on them, as long as you’re still rooting for them to win. Doesn’t make you a bad fan by any means.

For me though, when I log on here and that’s all anyone’s saying, it’s kind of a downer (in b4 the “snowflake” accusations). I think that might be other people’s problem too. We’re all on here to collectively root for the Pats so it sucks when people declare repeatedly that they’re not going to win. Where’s the fun in that?

Same effect as when people were saying “ballgame” when Aaron Rodgers completed a tough pass in the third quarter of the Packers game this year. Who wants to be in a virtual bar full of people who are so confident that your team is going to lose?