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  1. Wingy

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    No thanks, and good luck, Josh.

    Even at minimum salary, he's just too good not to carve out a big role. Then losing him out of nowhere really hurts your team.

    Credit where it's due, but a lot broke right for us this year. We could very well be better, but other teams will improve. For example, Mahomes might figure out you don't need to go for a 60 yard bomb every drop back. Point being, we can't expect to absorb his loss again and expect to win a SB.

    I do hope the Pats will provide as many resources as possible, and continue to keep in regular contact with him to help his life off the field.
     
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  2. PatsBoy12

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    Sign the beasts? :p
     
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    He was on his way to a 1000 yard year even though he got traded to us 3 weeks into the season which would have been more than Cooks did in 16 games. He as an archetype is exactly what this offense needs to add this season to prevent the classic "crowd MOF" strategy to be viable.

    The entire logic of "he could be gone next week" is so flawed because that is true for any player week-to-week.
     
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  4. PatriotsReign

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    It’s ironic that sobriety/recovery are so much easier than living in addiction hell. Never mind the self esteem issues that go with addiction.

    Every addict/alcoholic feels like a piece of scum at the end of our self destructive journey. That feeling takes time to go away and that’s a very good thing.

    Almost 30 years since my last drink/drug and I still remember clear as day how bad I felt about myself. I let everyone down especially myself.

    I pray I keep that memory with me until my last breath
     
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  5. Wingy

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    Yes, but it's doubly true for Josh. You have the normal injury risk any player faces, and then you pile on with his history of off the field troubles. The odds against us aren't good in his case.

    It's like the misguided soul who suggested we get Tyler Eifert. Would you say 'oh well, you can lose any player, any week' if he went down? To ignore a player's history, and patterns of injuries and/or personal issues - and to believe those guys are apples to apples w/other guys who are consistently on the field is flawed logic.
     
  6. JarOfMayo51

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    So what?

    The NFL aren't the police

    Their role should be to ensure players aren't using performance enhancers that give them a competitive advantage on the field

    Pot being illegal in some states is completely irrelevant. Its been legal or decriminalized in a lot of them too, yet they still pop people for it all the time in those states

    Its a waste of money and it brings unnecessary negative attention to the league whenever a player gets popped for such an insignificant thing. That is the part that blows my mind the most, why do you want to pop people for weed and then have that blasted all over the news?

    It's just a lack of common sense
     
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    Marijuana is illegal under federal law.

    The NFL is a business and does not want their players to play games high.
     
  8. ChrisR2223

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    He's coming back
    The team showed he is a luxury In a way like a fully healthy Gronk.
    Gives Brady a huge target to hit and even if the pass is not a perfect pass and Gordon much like Gronk can still make the play.
    He developed great relationships with his teammates and coaches here.
    Bill and Josh truly like his talent and care about him.
    He will have every chance to come back to the Patriots if reinstated and we should welcome him with open arms.
    It's a great story which Kraft will like.
    It also shows the caring softer more human side of us that is good for attracting free agents after the negative crap that has come out about Bills treatment to players and the way he runs the team.
    At the end of the day you pencil him at worst 5th receiver I think you need at the very least 3 guys you can count on in front of him.
    If Josh is Committed he is a number 1 at the very worse number 2 receiver if he is over his demons.
    You don't let him walk after the relationships he built on this team.
    They all loved him and spoke glowingly of him.
    We didn't pay for his rehab becuase we are a charitable organization I believe they want Josh back.
     
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    Again weed being illegal under any law is irrelevant, the NFL are not enforcers of the law, that is the role of the police

    Laundering, extortion, tax evasion, etc are all illegal under federal law too. The NFL doesn't go around auditing their players finances or investigate them for any other federal laws so why would they decide to focus on weed

    As a business their focus should be on production and public image. They hurt their public image by popping players for something insignificant like weed and they've basically pushed players out of the league who have only ever done weed but were highly productive players and good teammates

    If a player shows up to practice or a game blatantly high and is negatively impacting the program, then you deal with that player internally as an organization. That is exactly how any other organization would handle something like that, just like if someone showed up **** face drunk at work... there would be disciplinary action taken towards them, likely even termination.

    The fact that its a federal law btw is a joke, that is the feds over-stepping their role and power. Those decisions and that power belong to the individual states
     
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    We are going to disagree here.

    The NFL is a private business and have put policies in place it feels it best protects it's image and the quality of the game on the field. Clearly they feel it is important to their brand not to foster a perception of NFL players smoking dope. Quite frankly, I think the NFL has turned the other cheek on this matter as they know a great number of players smoke/injest it consistently.

    The NFL has chosen not to deviate it's policy from federal law. Your and my opinion on the matter is irrelevant. Its the law. Full stop.

    Correct. The NFL does not proactively audit a players finances but if there is wrongdoing they will suspend them- see Mychael Kendricks.
     
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  11. TbonePatriotsFan

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    I love me some Josh Gordon. By all accounts he’s a good teammate and works hard at his craft. I mean who doesn’t love a redemption story.

    I hope he gets his life together and gets another opportunity (yes his 4th or 5th).

    There are much worse characters in the NFL. Dude smokes weed. He doesn’t abuse women.
     
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    It cost little to tender Gordon. He can be cut just before the final cut if indicated.
     
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    Can we not do this? The fact of the matter is that the weed agenda is completely irrelevant here.

    And no, marijuana is not harmless in a highly competitive environment. Like other intoxicants, it can affect and impair judgment, which in a high contact sport like football one can imagine easily leading to injury.

    Also unlike other intoxicants like alcohol and caffeine, THC stays in the system for a very long time, a single marijuana joint leaves THC in the system for up to a month because unlike alcohol or caffeine, THC is fat soluble and takes up residence in the body's tissues.

    I can easily understand why the league doesn't like players to be on the toke. People act like THC does nothing to the human body and that's a lie, if it didn't have an effect, people wouldn't take it for the effect it has.

    Frankly from what I've read about the effects it does have, I can very much understand a professional sports organization not wanting its players mixed up with that stuff -- even if the effects are not that severe for an average working schmoe, when you're trying to compete at the highest levels words like "lethargic" and "unmotivated" are not how you'd like your teammates to be described.
     
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    Agree . Low risk, high reward situation here. He certainly would’ve been better than the 0-6 on throws to “no-separation” Hogan.
     
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    You don't need to test someone for weed to determine that they're unmotivated or lethargic... If their performance and production is bad, then they would be cut. You could say the exact same thing about alcohol, but the NFL doesn't have a No Alcohol policy, players who are not in the substance abuse program can drink alcohol

    Ricky Williams was a Pro-Bowl running back, never had any issues on or off the field other than testing positive for marijuana. Nobody would have even known he did that in his personal time if not for testing positive, because he was a good teammate and a productive player otherwise. He then starts getting popped on these tests and is pushed out of the league

    That ended badly for Ricky Williams, the NFL and the fans

    Also no offense, and I'm speculating on this, but I get the impression that you've never tried marijuana. That's great if you haven't, but if you haven't then you're far from an expert on the effects of THC in the body both short and long term
     
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    Just because Gordon decided to waste brain cells instead of going to a SB doesn't mean we have to follow suit and bring him back. Fuggedaboutit, he's gone from here for good.
     
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    No offense taken but I would point out that a user of a substance that affects mental state is seldom the best judge of that substance's effects either. Addiction or no, we have a tendency to view our own decisions with a strong positive bias, including the decision to take a substance.
     
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    Whether we want him back or not -- I tend to think "not," you're in a championship hunt every year, catching balls from Tom Brady, and that's not enough to keep your head in the game????

    Sorry, derailed. Whether we want him back or not, that was the annual Pats handicapping by the league office. This time it's getting our no. 1 veteran pickup receiver off the field, for the season... since you can't get to veterans through stolen draft picks.

    The real game the last 17 years has been the League vs. the New England Patriots. Rather sporting of them not to break us up in a last gasp of "competition" Hari-kiri.
     
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    This.
     
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    Going into the playoffs, are there ANY players that Gordon might have replaced on the active roster, and helped the team?

    During the season, did Gordon help us win any games; would be have been better off with a player from the Practice Squad?

    Is Gordon likely to be more valuable during 2019 than the #53 player?
     
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