Johnny Football Texts Brady

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True you never know how a player will be comin from College to NFL and who they compare them to if they ever live up to expectations. One thing is certain some players have ala Tom Brady that can not be measured is their Heart. Fire within to excel, proof doubters wrong, chip on their shoulders etc. Now I'm not sayin JM will be next Brady just that with his attitude and wanting to consult with Brady and what I heard durin his Presser at Combine is that he looks like he will go extra mile to be his best. That's all you can ask for and see how it pans out from there.

Yep, I think you make a great point about certain things that can't be measured.

If you'd have asked me about Manziel back in Sept, I'd have thought that he was a prima donna idiot who was making poor choices (and he was), but it seems as though he's attempting to make some changes since then. Obviously, he definitely has some great talent, and there have been many who tend to make some mistakes in their late teens/early twenties. It's all about growing up and learning from your actions.

 

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Yep, I think you make a great point about certain things that can't be measured.

If you'd have asked me about Manziel back in Sept, I'd have thought that he was a prima donna idiot who was making poor choices (and he was), but it seems as though he's attempting to make some changes since then.

How so? If anything, he sure seemed a lot more ****y and arrogant this year on the field.

I see nothing to suggest that he is any different today than he was at the beginning of the year.

 

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How so? If anything, he sure seemed a lot more ****y and arrogant this year on the field.

I see nothing to suggest that he is any different today than he was at the beginning of the year.

The fact that he reached out to a personal QB consultant/trainer, and has been working hard with him this whole time says something; as does the fact that he refused to engage in any marketing opportunities during the period from the end of Dec-through the draft in May, when many would have been in the limelight and making plenty of money in the process. After all, he's earned that right to be one of the top draft picks taken. No one else won the Heisman trophy their freshman season, did they?

He also decided to reach out to one of the top QBs in the league attitude-wise, in terms of addressing the media and making better decisions in the way he speaks and handles himself. To me, that says that he at least realizes that he wants to attempt to make some changes and do better.

By the way---he can be as arrogant and ****y on the field as he wants. It's one of the reasons that he's had success. Our own QB is the same exact same in many instances. It's the off the field stuff that could hold him back, and I've seen some attempts at change myself, despite your opinion. We've seen plenty of other QBs or players who haven't even attempted to change whatsoever, and they still were taken in the top few picks.

What did he really even do anyway? Possibly accept some money for signing autographs? Have a bad story written about him by ESPN? I don't think that means that teams should be removing him from their draft boards altogether. He's obviously one of the top rated QBs/players in the entire draft, so it's up to him to make it happen for the future to the best of his ability. We'll have to see if that happens or not.

 

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The fact that he reached out to a personal QB consultant/trainer, and has been working hard with him this whole time says something; as does the fact that he refused to engage in any marketing opportunities during the period from the end of Dec-through the draft in May, when many would have been in the limelight and making plenty of money in the process. After all, he's earned that right to be one of the top draft picks taken. No one else won the Heisman trophy their freshman season, did they?

Jameis Winston did, but that's beside the point. I don't see how refusing to engage in marketing opportunities somehow translates to on-field leadership or maturity.

By the way---he can be as arrogant and ****y on the field as he wants. It's one of the reasons that he's had success. Our own QB is the same exact same in many instances.

Oh really? When has Tom Brady ever thrown for or scored a touchdown, then cost his team 15 yards on the subsequent kickoff? I honestly cannot think of a single example of him doing that in over a decade of professional play.

What did he really even do anyway? Possibly accept some money for signing autographs?

Call me crazy, but I think risking your entire college career to accept money for signing autographs shows incredibly poor judgment and certainly isn't something I want from a guy leading my team.

He's just lucky the NCAA is as corrupt as they are and were willing to turn a blind eye for him doing something that would have gotten just about any other NCAA athlete kicked out.

Furthermore, he is a phenomenally talented college QB, but it just isn't going to translate well into the pros. He can easily sidestep and juke the 20 year olds who will be accountants in 2 years, but he won't be able to do so quite so well in the NFL.

 

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Jameis Winston did, but that's beside the point. I don't see how refusing to engage in marketing opportunities somehow translates to on-field leadership or maturity.

I didn't say a word about "on-field leadership or maturity." I said that it seems like he's reached out to make himself better in certain areas.

Those include working with a personal QB trainer/consultant, seeking out one of the best QBs in the game in terms of how he handles the media and pressure of being in the spotlight, and dedicating all of his time and energy into football by turning down any marketing opportunities (which he's earned and deserves).

If you can't see the difference between that and the Johnny Manziel from earlier, I'm not sure what to tell you? There is an attempt at change, and that should be seen as something positive. It seems that your mind is already made up about him, so the conversation is worthless. I hold off any judgements until I see the whole picture, and what I've seen is an attempt at becoming better, both on/off the field.

Oh really? When has Tom Brady ever thrown for or scored a touchdown, then cost his team 15 yards on the subsequent kickoff? I honestly cannot think of a single example of him doing that in over a decade of professional play.

No one claimed that Tom Brady had caused his team a penalty, just that we've seen fiery leadership and ****iness before on the NFL football field.

Give me a break.....

Most of the successful NFL players have some sense of confidence and ****iness in today's game, and not everyone can be a Tom Brady in the sense that they never/rarely make mistakes. Those players aren't going to be at the top of their positions every single year, and they weren't last year either at the position of QB.

Call me crazy, but I think risking your entire college career to accept money for signing autographs shows incredibly poor judgment and certainly isn't something I want from a guy leading my team.

He's just lucky the NCAA is as corrupt as they are and were willing to turn a blind eye for him doing something that would have gotten just about any other NCAA athlete kicked out.

One can make a pretty firm argument that other guys who did less were also kicked out or suspended as well. I hardly think the NCAA turned a blind eye. Look at the Ohio State autograph scandal. There have been plenty who have been punished. How do you know that the NCAA is definitely lying one way or another?

Furthermore, he is a phenomenally talented college QB, but it just isn't going to translate well into the pros. He can easily sidestep and juke the 20 year olds who will be accountants in 2 years, but he won't be able to do so quite so well in the NFL.

Thank you, for your prediction.

Only time will tell if you're right or not, but there are some things that can't be measured at the combine, and if Manziel wants to attempt to make some changes to try and grow up---good for him.

It may/may not end up paying off for him, but I'm not going to pretend that I definitely know one way or the other, like you are doing. That would be silly.

 

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I didn't say a word about "on-field leadership or maturity." I said that it seems like he's reached out to make himself better in certain areas.

We are a couple months away from the draft and the guy is on his best behavior. Sorry, but I am not going to disregard the fact that just 1 year ago at this time, he spent his entire summer behaving like a selfish, spoiled, self entitled brat.

No one claimed that Tom Brady had caused his team a penalty, just that we've seen fiery leadership and ****iness before on the NFL football field.

You said "Our own QB is the same exact same in many instances." All I was doing is pointing out how absurd that comment is.

One can make a pretty firm argument that other guys who did less were also kicked out or suspended as well. I hardly think the NCAA turned a blind eye. Look at the Ohio State autograph scandal. There have been plenty who have been punished. How do you know that the NCAA is definitely lying one way or another?

As Glenn Ordway used to say: You're making my point. A lot of guys faced far more punishment for doing far less, but since "Johnny Football" is such a top draw, the NCAA turned a blind eye to his transgressions.

So he already has the arrogant attitude of a guy who knows he is above the rules. Another reason why I would never want him on my team.

 

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You said "Our own QB is the same exact same in many instances." All I was doing is pointing out how absurd that comment is.

I said that our own QB was the same in many instances regarding his confidence on the field. Nothing more.

I get it that you don't like Manziel. I really don't care either way. My only statement that you took issue with was saying that I didn't care for him in the past, but saw his making attempts at change as a good thing.

We have no idea how he'll do in the NFL. None whatsoever.

 

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I said that our own QB was the same in many instances regarding his confidence on the field. Nothing more.

And I'm saying it is an absurd comparison.

I get it that you don't like Manziel. I really don't care either way. My only statement that you took issue with was saying that I didn't care for him in the past, but saw his making attempts at change as a good thing.

And I refuse to be fooled by or taken in by a couple weeks of good behavior when you consider that less than a year ago, he was arguably the most selfish, self entitled brat in the college ranks.

 

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And I'm saying it is an absurd comparison.
And I refuse to be fooled by or taken in by a couple weeks of good behavior when you consider that less than a year ago, he was arguably the most selfish, self entitled brat in the college ranks.

It could be any player with confidence who plays the position. It doesn't have to be Tom Brady. It could be any other QB in the college or NFL ranks who shows confidence just the same.

Luckily, you don't have to make the determination for any NFL GMs. I'm guessing that there will be one of the top 3-4-5 teams who'd love the opportunity to take him.

I'm beginning to wonder how someone can twist such an innocuous comment about him showing attempts at change into such a debate? Perhaps those who feel you are nothing more than a troll here are correct? I didn't say that I think the guy is the second coming of Joe Montana. I said that he's made an attempt to change, and that should be seen as a positive.

 

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I'm beginning to wonder how someone can twist such an innocuous comment about him showing attempts at change into such a debate? Perhaps those who feel you are nothing more than a troll here are correct? I didn't say that I think the guy is the second coming of Joe Montana. I said that he's made an attempt to change, and that should be seen as a positive.

Well if I'm a troll, then what does it say about you since you keep responding to me?

You gave an opinion, I disagreed. We went back and forth expressing our viewpoints in a reasonably polite manner. I'm sorry, I thought this was a forum for discussion and debate on football issues.

There have been no personal attacks, no name calling or hostility of any kind - that is, until you called me troll. And I'll tell you what I tell anyone else: You're perfectly free to place me in your ignore file and/or cease responding at anytime you want.

 

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Well if I'm a troll, then what does it say about you since you keep responding to me?

You gave an opinion, I disagreed. We went back and forth expressing our viewpoints in a reasonably polite manner. I'm sorry, I thought this was a forum for discussion and debate on football issues.

There have been no personal attacks, no name calling or hostility of any kind - that is, until you called me troll. And I'll tell you what I tell anyone else: You're perfectly free to place me in your ignore file and/or cease responding at anytime you want.

I didn't mean for it to come across as anything of a personal attack, so your point is well taken, and for that I apologize. I don't see the word "troll" on the same level as you may in terms of name-calling, but your comments have made me realize that it could be deemed as an attack. I've never put anyone on ignore, and I don't intend to start now. I responded to you because you quoted me and pretended not to understand my simple comment--nothing more.

The point is that I made a basic comment about the fact that a player who has had a bit of a attitude problem in the past has made some recent (multiple) attempts at changing that. I respect that. It seems that you don't. As I said, either of us have any idea as to how that may equate to the NFL.

Either way, you're really beating this into the ground, so let's just move on.