Jets somehow get a 4 and 7 for Kerry Rhodes

[Rob0729]

SHarper or Otogwe are probably heading the jets way. Their defense is going to be really good. Their the far superior team, but Brady is soo much better than Sanchez, I still take the Pats.

If Brady were on the Jets, they'd probably go 14-2.

Sharper or Otogwe?!? I got three words to dispell that theory - FINAL FOUR TEAM. The Jets can't sign an unrestricted free agent to a salary for more than something like $3.8 million in 2010. If either player would sign a contract like that, they would not be free agents right now.

The Jets are not going to get a high priced free agent this offseason.

 

[Rob0729]

you can say that about any GM in this league with some longevity. derrelle revis, mangold, ferguson, sanchez, david harris, shonne greene. hes picked up some real good players

Ferguson has been a disapointment based on where he was drafted. If he was drafted in the 20 range of the first round, he would have been a good pick up but he was drafted fourth. For all the crap Matt Light gets, I think he has been a better LT.

Sanchez based on 2009 isn't worth his draft position. He may never get over his inability to read defenses and not make costly errors. He was only effective with the Jets when he three 15-19 times in a game and you don't take a QB like that in the fifth spot. Maybe he will turn into a franchise player, but he is a game manager now who makes stupid mistakes when the Jets put the game in his hand. If you draft a QB in the top five, you want a franchise QB who can take over the offense. Sanchez has shown no signs of being able to run the offense without a dominant running game.

I will agree that Mangold, Revis, and Harris were very good pick ups. Too early on Greene. Look at Joseph Addai for proof. Looked like a stud his first year and a half and is now a mediocre RB because of the abuse he took early in his career. Greene could go that direction because of his running style or could be an elite RB. Too early to tell.

The Jets have had some lousy picks in recent years under Tannenbaum including Gholston, Kellen Clemens (2nd round, 2006), Mike Nugent (2nd round, 2005), Justin Miller (2nd round, 2005), Anthony Schlegel (3rd round, 2006), and Eric Smith (3rd round, 2006). The Jets have traded away a lot of picks in recent years to move up to get players. It worked with Revis, but the jury is still out for Sanchez and Greene looks good so far, but we need to see if he can carry the load as a lead RB. If these trades fail though, they can be in trouble in the future because they have not gotten successful picks in recent years for depth players.

 

[fgssand]

not a bad deal for both sides. tannenbaum knows what hes doing over there. we could use him

Ya right - Tannenbaums track record is just terrific.....hah, he sucks and the jets suck.

 

[Doggin94it]

There is a "loophole" but I would only do it with NFC teams. Example, we sign Sharper then trade to Jets for say, 5th rounder.

Jets: better safety
Pats: free 5th round pick

win-win

That's not the loophole. The loophole would be using a completion bonus to pump up the year 2 salary and circumvent the 30% rule.

 

[Doggin94it]

Sharper or Otogwe?!? I got three words to dispell that theory - FINAL FOUR TEAM. The Jets can't sign an unrestricted free agent to a salary for more than something like $3.8 million in 2010. If either player would sign a contract like that, they would not be free agents right now.

The Jets are not going to get a high priced free agent this offseason.

Jets can sign Atogwe for whatever they want; he's an RFA, not a UFA, and the final four rules don't apply.

 

[Doggin94it]

Ferguson has been a disapointment based on where he was drafted. If he was drafted in the 20 range of the first round, he would have been a good pick up but he was drafted fourth. For all the crap Matt Light gets, I think he has been a better LT.

Sanchez based on 2009 isn't worth his draft position.

again.

The Jets have had some lousy picks in recent years under Tannenbaum including Gholston, Kellen Clemens (2nd round, 2006), Mike Nugent (2nd round, 2005), Justin Miller (2nd round, 2005), Anthony Schlegel (3rd round, 2006), and Eric Smith (3rd round, 2006).

Not just a homer, but someone who doesn't know his history, to boot. Tannenbaum was not the GM in 2005. Right now, the bad picks in Tannenbaum's tenure are Gholston, Clemens, and Schlegel. Eric Smith has been a solid contributor on specials and at worst a decent backup on D; for a supplemental 3rd rounder, that's acceptable. Not what you'd like best, but not a bust, either.

So . . . 3 bad picks in 4 drafts. I'll take it - especially when those drafts have netted the team Ferguson, Mangold, Washington, Brad Smith, Drew Coleman (not a great - or even good - player, but great value), Darrelle Revis, David Harris, Stuckey (again, terrific value), Keller, Lowery (again, great value), Mark Sanchez and Shonn Greene.

Compare that to what the Pats have done since 2006 - with a vastly greater number of picks - and the Jets have just drafted better. Since 2006, you've picked up Gostkowski in 2004 (the first 3 picks were Maroney, Chad Jackson and David Thomas); Merriweather in 2007; Mayo, Wheatley and Wilhite (the latter two being decent at best) in 2008; and Chung, Butler and Volmer in 2009.

Seriously, match it up, player for player, and tell me who's had better drafts since Tannenbaum's been the GM in NY. Its the Jets in a landslide.

 

[RyanP421]

Ferguson has been a disapointment based on where he was drafted. If he was drafted in the 20 range of the first round, he would have been a good pick up but he was drafted fourth. For all the crap Matt Light gets, I think he has been a better LT.

Sanchez based on 2009 isn't worth his draft position. He may never get over his inability to read defenses and not make costly errors. He was only effective with the Jets when he three 15-19 times in a game and you don't take a QB like that in the fifth spot. Maybe he will turn into a franchise player, but he is a game manager now who makes stupid mistakes when the Jets put the game in his hand. If you draft a QB in the top five, you want a franchise QB who can take over the offense. Sanchez has shown no signs of being able to run the offense without a dominant running game.

I will agree that Mangold, Revis, and Harris were very good pick ups. Too early on Greene. Look at Joseph Addai for proof. Looked like a stud his first year and a half and is now a mediocre RB because of the abuse he took early in his career. Greene could go that direction because of his running style or could be an elite RB. Too early to tell.

The Jets have had some lousy picks in recent years under Tannenbaum including Gholston, Kellen Clemens (2nd round, 2006), Mike Nugent (2nd round, 2005), Justin Miller (2nd round, 2005), Anthony Schlegel (3rd round, 2006), and Eric Smith (3rd round, 2006). The Jets have traded away a lot of picks in recent years to move up to get players. It worked with Revis, but the jury is still out for Sanchez and Greene looks good so far, but we need to see if he can carry the load as a lead RB. If these trades fail though, they can be in trouble in the future because they have not gotten successful picks in recent years for depth players.

Ferguson made amazing strides this year and is an elite LT.

Are you REALLY comparing Shonn Greene to Joseph Addai? Really? You claim Addai has broken down due to abuse early in career? Yet his rookie year, he only had 226 carries, then 76 throughout the playoffs. Not really "abuse".

He has never approached 300 carries in a season. Addai is a horrible RB, watch him run. He always looks like he's about to fall over. (Imagine tripping on a rope and flailing your arms around to keep your balance, that's Addai's running style! lol)

Shonne Green is a powerful runner with good vision and great speed for a back with his power. He's no threat in the passing game, but still. He will be a great RB for a long time, barring injury of course. The Jets got a steal with Greene in what the 2nd round? Honestly, the Pats should have drafted him, I wanted us to at the time.

I hate the Jets, but come on, Tannenbaum knows what he's doing. We could stand to be a bit more aggressive in the offseason these days.

 

[RyanP421]

again.




Not just a homer, but someone who doesn't know his history, to boot. Tannenbaum was not the GM in 2005. Right now, the bad picks in Tannenbaum's tenure are Gholston, Clemens, and Schlegel. Eric Smith has been a solid contributor on specials and at worst a decent backup on D; for a supplemental 3rd rounder, that's acceptable. Not what you'd like best, but not a bust, either.

So . . . 3 bad picks in 4 drafts. I'll take it - especially when those drafts have netted the team Ferguson, Mangold, Washington, Brad Smith, Drew Coleman (not a great - or even good - player, but great value), Darrelle Revis, David Harris, Stuckey (again, terrific value), Keller, Lowery (again, great value), Mark Sanchez and Shonn Greene.

Compare that to what the Pats have done since 2006 - with a vastly greater number of picks - and the Jets have just drafted better. Since 2006, you've picked up Gostkowski in 2004 (the first 3 picks were Maroney, Chad Jackson and David Thomas); Merriweather in 2007; Mayo, Wheatley and Wilhite (the latter two being decent at best) in 2008; and Chung, Butler and Volmer in 2009.

Seriously, match it up, player for player, and tell me who's had better drafts since Tannenbaum's been the GM in NY. Its the Jets in a landslide.

How can you REALLY defend Sanchez being worth his draft value based on 2009? Dude, that Jets team could have had Jake Delhomme as its QB and it wouldn't have mattered. Sanchez sucked last year when he had to put a game into his hands. The dude's a turnover machine.

He is a game manager and nothing more at this point. That's not to say he won't develop more, but that's not the argument here. The arguement is BASED ON 2009. And BASED ON 2009, Sanchez sucks.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

[
Seriously, match it up, player for player, and tell me who's had better drafts since Tannenbaum's been the GM in NY. Its the Jets in a landslide.[/QUOTE]

Randy Moss (via trade)
Wes Welker (via trade)
Logan Mankins
Vince Wilfork
Merriweather
Mayo (far superior than your bust Gholston)
Ty Warren (far Superior than your bust DeWayne Robertson)


just to name a few. Drafts is luck of the dice, sometimes you nail a few, other times the players just cannot adapt. While there are likes of Chad Jackson as busts, there's likes of Julian Edelmann as 7th rd'ers who "get it"

To say by "lanslide" just goes typifies the ignorance rampant in the fandom of
Just Egotistical Total Scumbags (J E T S)

I await your re-buttal

 

[alamo]

How can you REALLY defend Sanchez being worth his draft value based on 2009?

Using Sanchez's rookie year for the purpose of judging Tannenbaum is narrowing the debate to a meaningless issue. The right answer is "it's impossible to either defend or attack him based on 2009".

Sanchez is an "incomplete" as a QB project. If we had judged Brady on his 2000 season where would we be? Manning wasn't much his rookie year either. It will probably all come down to Sanchez's ability to learn and his work ethic, and we won't know that for a while.

So while you can't defend Sanchez, you also can't attack him.

 

[VI PATS]

No matter how great a drafter you are, none of it matters unless it translates into wins. Jets had a good playoff run last year, but other then those two games, it hasn't shown.

Jets also have had higher picks then Pats for many years. Let's talk about how great they are at drafting after several 11-12 win seasons.

 

[bigfandan]

He clearly made some big plays and showed he can make the offense go. He just needs to limit his mistakes. What do you expect from a rookie QB in NFL? Based on Manning's rookie year, Manning sucks too.

What was that? A home just popped in, and Manning is not worth a dime and Polian is a lousy GM.

How can you REALLY defend Sanchez being worth his draft value based on 2009? Dude, that Jets team could have had Jake Delhomme as its QB and it wouldn't have mattered. Sanchez sucked last year when he had to put a game into his hands. The dude's a turnover machine.

He is a game manager and nothing more at this point. That's not to say he won't develop more, but that's not the argument here. The arguement is BASED ON 2009. And BASED ON 2009, Sanchez sucks.

 

[Doggin94it]

How can you REALLY defend Sanchez being worth his draft value based on 2009? Dude, that Jets team could have had Jake Delhomme as its QB and it wouldn't have mattered. Sanchez sucked last year when he had to put a game into his hands. The dude's a turnover machine.

That's actually not quite true. If you look at Sanchez, he was either very good or utterly horrible; most of his interceptions (of which there were way, way too many) came in very few games; 5 against Buffalo, 4 against NE, 3 each against NO and Atl. That's 15/20 interceptions in 4 games; in his other 12 regular season games, he threw only 5 picks.

Of course, you can't cherry pick stats; 20 picks on the season is unacceptable. But in terms of what you'd expect going forward, the fact that he showed signs of elite talent and very good decision making in many games is encouraging. For a rookie QB (and ignoring the recent, out of the ordinary successes of Flacco and Ryan), Sanchez had a very successful first year. He got better as the season went on, playing his best games against better teams in the playoffs - where he was 41/68 (60%), 539 yards (7.9 ypa), 4TD-1Int, and taking the team to the AFCCG. And he showed the ability to make all the throws.

As a Jets fan, I really couldn't have asked for anything more from him. More would have been nice, but expecting more would have been idiotic.

He could still end up busting, if he doesn't progress. But I don't think that's very likely.

He is a game manager and nothing more at this point. That's not to say he won't develop more, but that's not the argument here. The arguement is BASED ON 2009. And BASED ON 2009, Sanchez sucks.

No, based on 2009, Sanchez has potential, and can play within himself - which is all you ask for out of your #5 overall pick in his rookie year.

 

[patsinthesnow]

All pats fans hate the Jets, but you still have to be honest and not say "they all suck".

Mark Sanchez got to the AFCCG his rookie year. Sure he had a good defense but watching highlights of the Chargers game, he managed it great. The Bengals game, sure the backup wildcat quarterback did everything.

Saying Sanchez sucked is just stupid, IMO.

 

[Doggin94it]

No matter how great a drafter you are, none of it matters unless it translates into wins. Jets had a good playoff run last year, but other then those two games, it hasn't shown.

Jets also have had higher picks then Pats for many years. Let's talk about how great they are at drafting after several 11-12 win seasons.

Sure. But the Jets have also been more aggressive with their picks, moving up for players they wanted - a strategy that's worked very well with Revis, Harris, Sanchez and Greene. The Pats sit back and let the board come to them - which is a viable strategy when you're mainly looking for depth. The Pats haven't been a poor drafting team - about average, I'd say. But the Jets, over the last 4 years, are among the best in the league. Ozzie Newsome's about the only GM I'd trade Tannenbaum for, at this point. Maybe Polian (though its hard to tell how good he is, since Manning makes everyone around him so much better, and a GM's job so much easier).

 

[Doggin94it]

[
Seriously, match it up, player for player, and tell me who's had better drafts since Tannenbaum's been the GM in NY. Its the Jets in a landslide.

Randy Moss (via trade)
Wes Welker (via trade)
Logan Mankins
Vince Wilfork
Merriweather
Mayo (far superior than your bust Gholston)
Ty Warren (far Superior than your bust DeWayne Robertson)

Ha, nice try. Wilfork and Warren were drafted in the last four years? Really?

Want to include Moss? Cool - then you need to include Jenkins and Braylon Edwards on the Jets side of the ledger too.

Again - there's no question the Jets have made better use of their draft picks since Tannenbaum has been GM than the Pats have of their picks. This isn't really debatable.

just to name a few. Drafts is luck of the dice, sometimes you nail a few, other times the players just cannot adapt. While there are likes of Chad Jackson as busts, there's likes of Julian Edelmann as 7th rd'ers who "get it"

To say by "lanslide" just goes typifies the ignorance rampant in the fandom of
Just Egotistical Total Scumbags (J E T S)

Well, there's nothing like a random ad hominem to drive home the fact that you don't really have a leg to stand on, I guess.

Again, match up player for player the last 4 years.

Revis >>>> Moss
Jenkins = Welker (maybe)
Mangold>>>> Mankins (mankins is a great guard; Mangold is the best center in the league)
Ferguson>>>>Volmer
Harris>>>>Mayo (IMO, though that's not as clear cut; I just like the thumper, especially for the 3-4, more than the sideline to sideline guy) . . .

 

[Doggin94it]

All pats fans hate the Jets, but you still have to be honest and not say "they all suck".

Mark Sanchez got to the AFCCG his rookie year. Sure he had a good defense but watching highlights of the Chargers game, he managed it great. The Bengals game, sure the backup wildcat quarterback did everything.

Saying Sanchez sucked is just stupid, IMO.

Thank you. It gets as annoying as the "Brady is a system QB", "Belichik sucks" crap does on Jets boards. Its nice to be able to talk football with someone sensible, even if you don't agree, and I kind of pity people who can't put their rooting interests aside to do that.

 

[RodThePat]

Sanchez still sucked despite facing 8 men in the box every single snap. All he did was dump off to Keller and hit wide open receivers on play action. When teams sell out to stop the run it makes it very easy on the QB, and still he managed to throw 20 picks in less than 400 attempts.

He may become a very good quarterback, but he didn't show much on his rookie season. No comparisons to Manning, please, it just makes you look dumb. Peyton came in a pittiful team and was asked to carry it on his back since his first year. He didn't inherit a top 5 AFC squad like Sanchez did, and even though he had a lot more responsabilities he still managed to have a MUCH better rookie season than the Jets QB had. If the Jets had, say, Matt Ryan as their quarterback they would've made a very hard push for the Lombardi.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Sanchez still sucked despite facing 8 men in the box every single snap. All he did was dump off to Keller and hit wide open receivers on play action. When teams sell out to stop the run it makes it very easy on the QB, and still he managed to throw 20 picks in less than 400 attempts.

He may become a very good quarterback, but he didn't show much on his rookie season. No comparisons to Manning, please, it just makes you look dumb. Peyton came in a pittiful team and was asked to carry it on his back since his first year. He didn't inherit a top 5 AFC squad like Sanchez did, and even though he had a lot more responsabilities he still managed to have a MUCH better rookie season than the Jets QB had. If the Jets had, say, Matt Ryan as their quarterback they would've made a very hard push for the Lombardi.

Before I post, I'm just being a non-bias sports fan, so don't call me a "jets fan in disguise". I have almost 1000 posts and donated to the site.
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So he hit wide-open receivers on play-action, isn't that the point?

Top 5 AFC squad, are you sure? I'm pretty sure he inherited a mediocre 9-7 team that had Lord Favrequad.

If it weren't for some dumb coaching decisions (blitzing Manning in the second half), the Jets may have been in the superbowl.
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The Jets fan joined to probably talk Jets-Pats rivalry, which is good to have another fan's perspective. He could be like Gunnails. I've joined colts and jets boards, they respond to me in a rational way atleast.

 

[Rob0729]

again.




Not just a homer, but someone who doesn't know his history, to boot. Tannenbaum was not the GM in 2005. Right now, the bad picks in Tannenbaum's tenure are Gholston, Clemens, and Schlegel. Eric Smith has been a solid contributor on specials and at worst a decent backup on D; for a supplemental 3rd rounder, that's acceptable. Not what you'd like best, but not a bust, either.

So . . . 3 bad picks in 4 drafts. I'll take it - especially when those drafts have netted the team Ferguson, Mangold, Washington, Brad Smith, Drew Coleman (not a great - or even good - player, but great value), Darrelle Revis, David Harris, Stuckey (again, terrific value), Keller, Lowery (again, great value), Mark Sanchez and Shonn Greene.

Compare that to what the Pats have done since 2006 - with a vastly greater number of picks - and the Jets have just drafted better. Since 2006, you've picked up Gostkowski in 2004 (the first 3 picks were Maroney, Chad Jackson and David Thomas); Merriweather in 2007; Mayo, Wheatley and Wilhite (the latter two being decent at best) in 2008; and Chung, Butler and Volmer in 2009.

Seriously, match it up, player for player, and tell me who's had better drafts since Tannenbaum's been the GM in NY. Its the Jets in a landslide.

Sorry, I forgot Tannenbaum wasn't the GM at 2005. Yes, Sanchez was a steal at the 5 spot. When you get a Qb at the 5th spot, you want a QB who you have to limit the number of throws he makes to be effective and have him play redlight, green light with to stop him from throwing 3-5 INTs a game. Great pick up. He might turn into a great pick up, but right now he is the biggest liability on the Jets offense that the Jets choose to limit it.

As for Ferguson, I think he is the most overrated player on the Jets. Definitely not worth where he was drafted. He is an above average LT drafted in a spot where he should be a franchise LT. He is a very good run blocker and an average at best pass protector. He got Favre killed last year and he helped Sanchez be an INT machine this year.

As for draft picks, Tannenbaum has made some great selections and some lousy. He isn't perfect. He traded the entire draft last year to get Sanchez and Greene and neither have proven they can carry this offense full time yet. The jurry is still out.

As for the Pats, it is irrelevant. I never mentioned them. But you are totally underestimating the Pats 2009 draft. You didn't mention Edelman who was drafted in the seventh round and played well above his draft position and Jake Ingram who was drafted in the sixth and was a near perfect long snapper all year. And you fail to discount that two picks (McKenzie and Tate) were out for the year from injuries.