J.C. Jackson - "It's time to get Mr. INT paid."

[PatsFan2]

It seems like there is a league wide view of JC that doesn't see him as a shut down CB. More good than great, BUT with a great eye for the ball and great ball skills. I really want him to be on the team this season, but I can't see it happening right now. The only chance I see that happening would be a Hightower scenario where he goes and tests the market and finds that "league view" is a reality. Unfortunately it only takes one team looking to make a splash and has lots of cap room.

IMHO here is how I see it. Based on what we are hearing, Jackson's true value is in the range of $15mm/yr on a 4 year deal with 70% guaranteed. He's looking for a deal in the range of 4/yrs for $90mm. Which would be top 3 money on a long term deal.
THis would be my compromise. It would be that $60MM dollar deal as a base, with incentives that would increase the deal much close to what Jackson wants. And these incentives would be a combination of stats/games played and awards that would come to a true shut down elite CB. This way he gets paid IF he produces, and if he is just good but not great, then he'll get paid his true value.

That's the deal I'd try and work out.

Let's just hope a Team that is contending make pitch to the Patriots regarding a sign and Trade. Just looking at everything right now It's obvious JC Jackson will have a market he's a very good CB. I am sure the Patriots have their feelers regarding Jackson's possibly suiters. Philadelphia have Three First Rounders plus a Second and Third. We have heard BB say this before "the hardest position to play in the NFL is *ding* CB." I think if the Patriots tag Jackson they won't be bidding against themselves. I think tagging him would be a good gamble to secure at least a Second Round selection from a Team who believes they can contend.

 

[PatsFan2]

It seems like there is a league wide view of JC that doesn't see him as a shut down CB. More good than great, BUT with a great eye for the ball and great ball skills. I really want him to be on the team this season, but I can't see it happening right now. The only chance I see that happening would be a Hightower scenario where he goes and tests the market and finds that "league view" is a reality. Unfortunately it only takes one team looking to make a splash and has lots of cap room.

IMHO here is how I see it. Based on what we are hearing, Jackson's true value is in the range of $15mm/yr on a 4 year deal with 70% guaranteed. He's looking for a deal in the range of 4/yrs for $90mm. Which would be top 3 money on a long term deal.
THis would be my compromise. It would be that $60MM dollar deal as a base, with incentives that would increase the deal much close to what Jackson wants. And these incentives would be a combination of stats/games played and awards that would come to a true shut down elite CB. This way he gets paid IF he produces, and if he is just good but not great, then he'll get paid his true value.

That's the deal I'd try and work out.

Let's just hope a Team that is contending make pitch to the Patriots regarding a sign and Trade. Just looking at everything right now It's obvious JC Jackson will have a market he's a very good CB. I am sure the Patriots have their feelers regarding Jackson's possible suiters. Philadelphia have Three First Rounders plus a Second and Third. We have heard BB say this before "the hardest position to play in the NFL is *ding* CB." I think if the Patriots tag Jackson they won't be bidding against themselves. I think tagging him would be a good gamble to secure at least a Second Round selection from a Team who believes they can contend. Very Good CB's are very hot commodities historically in FA.

Ken. How do you know the “league wide” view of Jackson? Has there been a survey of GM’s on the subject of which I’m not aware?

Or, are you just parroting the Patriots’ PR to once again justify not paying one of their own free agents after lavishing money on a Jonnu Smith last off-season?

How do you make any sense out being willing to pay $13 million a year to a TE who gets 5 balls thrown his way a game but not pay $17 million to a quality CB who plays nearly every defensive down? Isn’t a CB who plays every down $4 million more valuable than a stiff TE who has the catch radius of a grandmother with a bad hip?

This is the Beli-insanity that’s going to mire the Patriots into a long stretch of mediocrity without Brady around to bail his arrogant butt out of the fire.

Excellent post... don't remind me of those Jet sweeps to J. Smith. I really hope he works hard this Offseason and play up to his hefty contract we can't have another Harry at TE.

 

[PatsFan2]

“Not sure this will surprise, but personnel execs I’ve spoken to here in Indy expect there will be a robust market for J.C. Jackson’s services if the Patriots don’t manage to come to an agreement or tag the soon-to-be-free agent corner,” NFL Media’s Mike Giardi tweeted Wednesday, while adding this quote from a source: “He’s in his prime and he finds the football.”

He GONE.

Ding that is why it's in the Patriots best interest to Tag Jackson so they can secure something for him. I'm a gambling man and know BB is too what's not to like. The Draft looks decent we need more picks l wouldn't mind a extra Second Rounder I think Jackson fetches that.

 

[Rob0729]

“Not sure this will surprise, but personnel execs I’ve spoken to here in Indy expect there will be a robust market for J.C. Jackson’s services if the Patriots don’t manage to come to an agreement or tag the soon-to-be-free agent corner,” NFL Media’s Mike Giardi tweeted Wednesday, while adding this quote from a source: “He’s in his prime and he finds the football.”

He GONE.

Sounds like the Pats will get that trade partner for a tag and trade deal. A first round pick isn’t out of the question. I agree he is gone. The only question is what the Pats get in compensation.

 

[1960Pats]

His public chest-thumping about "getting paid" certainly is ill-advised.

How so? He probably knows he isn't getting paid here.

 

[1960Pats]

Has anyone called him JC Jack$on yet?

Why would they? He's been paid below his value as a player.

 

[1960Pats]

For people wanting to convince themselves JC is not among the best and should be paid, Jalen Ramsey got torched in the playoffs and Super Bowl. He makes $20M per year. WR’s in today’s game are much faster and you can’t rough them up passed 5 yards. DB’s are going to get beat. Only difference is, JC leads the league in INT’s since entering the league. But, any time JC would get beat, the board would try to convince themselves he’s not elite in hopes his value comes down.

Jackson's strength is his ability to pick up the ball in flight. I see a lot of DBs in the NYFL who can't.

 

[1960Pats]

Bill's drafting history of DB's is poor, but his ability to find DB's as UDFAs is stellar. If the Pats do not resign Jackson, they should still target the front 7 with their first and second day picks and find other ways to fill out the secondary.

This is why I like late round picks also. It gives the Pats the first up-close look at players.

 

[1960Pats]

Bruschi was also his own agent, and may have left some money on the table, that said, Bruschi's market value has always been wildly overrated by Patriots fans.

I couldn't tell you what Bruschi was ever paid. I didn't care.

 

[Water Boy]

Does this just boil down to BB thinking that no one will offer better than a late 3rd round pick for JC if he's tagged?

Can he seek a trade prior to JC signing the FT offer?

I assume teams have to wait until the FA period to negotiate a contract?

A team like the Bengals makes sense. They have a ton of cap room, are a SB contender and could definitely use an upgrade in their secondary.

 

[slash83]

Sounds like the Pats will get that trade partner for a tag and trade deal. A first round pick isn’t out of the question. I agree he is gone. The only question is what the Pats get in compensation.

2nd at best. Don’t see any team giving up a first and a long term contract to follow.

 

[Sciz]

Can he seek a trade prior to JC signing the FT offer?

Technically no. The CBA says that the franchise tag must be applied with a "good faith intention to employ the player...during the upcoming season." That's never really been enforced though, with some of the recent trades being pretty obvious violations of that.

The same rule applies to RFA tenders, which is why the Patriots were so adamant that they were not discussing a Malcolm Butler trade prior to him signing the tender. Google also found a Belichick quote about not discussing a trade for franchise-tagged Julius Peppers in 2009 because he had not signed the tender.

 

[Rob0729]

2nd at best. Don’t see any team giving up a first and a long term contract to follow.

But that is how tag and trades work. But I have posted as best that I could find comps where top defensive players in tag and trade deals got far more than first round compensation. I am discounting Jackson because he isn't a DE. I mean Frank Clark, who never had more than 13 sacks in Seattle, netted the Seahawks a first, second, and third round pick over two years. Yannick Ngakoue netted Jacksonville a second and fifth round in a trade and he was a very good/great, not top or elite DE. Jared Allen netted the Chiefs a first and two thirds (and he really only had one great years and a couple of good years as a Chief). Unfortunately, there are no CB comps because most elite/top CBs are not traded away when tagged.

 

[PatsFan2]

But that is how tag and trades work. But I have posted as best that I could find comps where top defensive players in tag and trade deals got far more than first round compensation. I am discounting Jackson because he isn't a DE. I mean Frank Clark, who never had more than 13 sacks in Seattle, netted the Seahawks a first, second, and third round pick over two years. Yannick Ngakoue netted Jacksonville a second and fifth round in a trade and he was a very good/great, not top or elite DE. Jared Allen netted the Chiefs a first and two thirds (and he really only had one great years and a couple of good years as a Chief). Unfortunately, there are no CB comps because most elite/top CBs are not traded away when tagged.

Interesting so JC Jackson would be the First CB Hmmmm. I would love to keep him but we have too many needs at the moment.

 

[Rob0729]

Interesting so JC Jackson would be the First CB Hmmmm. I would love to keep him but we have too many needs at the moment.

There could be another CB who has been tagged and traded, but I haven't found one.

 

[RIpats88]

Did you watch any of the Play-off games that Jalen Ramsey played in? Saying that Jackson doesn't "pass the eye test" because of one bad game is ridiculous. You'll forgive me and everyone else if we ridicule your "eye test" for being a bunch of nothing.

The fact you think Bill won't pay Jackson like a top 5 Corner is also ridiculous when Jackson is one of the best corners in the league doesn't make any sense. He paid Gilmore. He paid Law. He Franchised Asante despite Asante not being as good as Jackson. So let's stop pretending like BB won't pay someone who is in the top tier top tier money.

After the 2011-2012 debacle, bill has paid for corners every year.

Talib, revis, Butler, Gilmore....it's clear he values the #1 corner position and I think he will pay Jackson

Heck, bill paid Gilmore when he was an okay corner with upside in buffalo. Some fans are stuck in the past of "let's go cheapo on everyone!" But we don't have Brady anymore to cover up piss poor roster decisions. If we didn't have Brady, alot of those "great decisions" by bill to not pay guys would've resulted in losing seasons.

Bill paid up last year to up the talent on the roster and I think he will again this year.

 

[Rob0729]

After the 2011-2012 debacle, bill has paid for corners every year.

Talib, revis, Butler, Gilmore....it's clear he values the #1 corner position and I think he will pay Jackson

Heck, bill paid Gilmore when he was an okay corner with upside in buffalo. Some fans are stuck in the past of "let's go cheapo on everyone!" But we don't have Brady anymore to cover up piss poor roster decisions. If we didn't have Brady, alot of those "great decisions" by bill to not pay guys would've resulted in losing seasons.

Bill paid up last year to up the talent on the roster and I think he will again this year.

He also let Talib, Revis, and Butler walk when they became free agents. And traded Gilmore knowing that he was going to be a free agent this year and not going to pay him. He correctly knew that both Revis and Butler were done, but Talib was arguably better in Denver (at least less injury prone). Gilmore looks like he is no longer a shutdown CB either, but we will see in 2022.

He does value CBs, but he doesn't seem to want to pay them a big contract when they are on his roster and come up to free agency.

But don't forget, people were "outraged" when the Pats let Talib and Revis walk and when they "vastly overpaid" for Gilmore. None of those were popular moves and they ended up working out for the Pats. Who knows? Maybe there is a free agent like Gilmore was (a CB who was considered very good, but not great that the Pats brought in and made him a shutdown CB) that the Pats can replace Jackson with.

 

[BTTA]

But don't forget, people were "outraged" when the Pats let Talib and Revis walk and when they "vastly overpaid" for Gilmore. None of those were popular moves and they ended up working out for the Pats. Who knows? Maybe there is a free agent like Gilmore was (a CB who was considered very good, but not great that the Pats brought in and made him a shutdown CB) that the Pats can replace Jackson with.

"People" yes, but no way to know how many, or if it approached even a large % of the fanbase.
Lots of noise, for sure.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Sporting News has JC as the 2nd best FA. You guys on here are funny downplaying him and with your ridiculous low ball contract offers. This reminds of the heavy denial that Brady was going to re-sign after a certain poster got your hopes up. Quite bizarre so many on here took a random poster’s word on it when they reject professional insiders and beat writers on a daily basis.

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[TheRainMaker]

Butler

Bill didn't pay Butler aside from his UFA contract.