Is Brady Entering his final year?

[Thelonious]

It's clear that Jimmy's the guy. Win the SB next year with Brady, and then ship his ass to San Fran.

Yep. You'd still want Brady to be the father of your children, but at this point, Jimmy's definitely cuter.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Here's a great idea, the Patriots should get rid of the QB who wins 80%of his games and takes them to the Super Bowl every other year, and they should replace him with the guy who couldn't make it through two games when he was needed for four.

F.cking genius idea.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

can we just all enjoy brady's final year in peace?

please

No...

can we just all enjoy Brady's 3-5 remaining years in peace?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I heard this discussion on the Adam Jones show yesterday.

He made some valid points;

1. Brady will be traded before he declines
2. Pats kept JG for a reason (he's the future)
3. Manning and Montana were traded once their teams found their next guy
4. Pats can get value for Brady in 2018

I'm the first one to think "We can't ever trade Brady!" And I don't want to see him traded.

But the reality is he likely will be traded if Kraft and BB believe Jimmy G is that good.

Sorry but I stopped at "Adam Jones"

 

[cupofjoe1962]

No it isn't. There are many factors and possible motivations.


Reports usually aren't correct btw

But Brady is 40. What if he misses 4-5 games? Is jimmy g then more valuable than a draft pick?
What if Brady does hit the wall this year?
What if Brady sustains a serious injury.
What if Brady decides he does want to retire? A complete change of mind but at 40 thise decisions are very subject to change.
There are many reasons other than the stupidity of getting rid of the GOAT when he is playing as well as he ever has that you pass up a pick.

Oh and you don't pass it up you wait a year and tag and trade. So even if that ends up a 3rd you take the insurance for the situations above plus a 3 over just a 1.

We all think Brady is invincible but there is some percentage chance that one of those factors happens. If it's 10% there is a very strong argument that insurance is worth a draft pick.


It makes perfect sense. See above.


So, since he will break down at some point, you are arguing that until he does, just ignore the possibility?


Literally zero impact on the decision.
Matt Barkley was a "guaranteed can't miss 1 overall pick" his jr year then dropped to the 4th. Jake locker was the same thing but didn't fall as far.


If Brady suffers a debilitating injury they will be stuck paying Jimmy franchise QB money. If not they will tag and trade.


You asked for it, you got it.

I respect your reply, but I disagree.
Belichick is all about value & Garoppalo's value will never be higher than it was during the draft.

Belichick would not go from a potential top 12 pick to maybe a third rounder to keep Garoppalo for one year.

I hope I am wrong, but I agree with the guy who started this thread.

Only time will tell.

 

[Dingleberry]

I don't get those who think JAG is guaranteed to be the future because he wasn't traded for a 1st this year. This is how I see it going down, and this scenario is far more logical than moving on from the GOAT after this season...

JAG will be the backup this year. If Brady were to go down for a few games of even longer, this is still a SB contender. JAG will be franchised after the season and traded for the best offer (just like #33 for Cassell).

Then the masses scream, "JG's value is not what it was! We could have had pick 12! Boohoo!"

Let's say they turned down #12 from Cleveland. Hell, let's say they turned down #12 and #33 from Cleveland. Now let's say they get #33 and a 3rd for JAG next year. Sounds reasonable. So we essentially dropped a 1st round pick in exchange for a 3rd round pick. And for what?

1. A great backup QB in what should be a SB year, and will remain a SB year if Brady missed time.
2. Another year of JAG under your control if the unthinkable happens and Brady gets old.

Does Belichick think these 2 real benefits are worth the difference between the player he could have gotten at #12 in 2017 versus the player he will get at #60-something in 2018? I am betting yes.

This is how it will play out.

The real question is whether Brady's heir will be drafted in 2018. I think so.

 

[Raymond]

Yeah. You're right. He'd never lie in order to get someone or something off his back and take the spotlight off of him. It's also much less likely that he would lie about that for the already mentioned reasons than he would announce his retirement. Gotcha.

But Brady, in saying repeatedly, he wants to play 5 more years is actually putting the spotlight on himself. There really is no point in that unless he believes it. And Yes, I agree he would never do any farewell tour.

He will simply announce retirement AFTER a season ends as a surprise to us all. I believe there's a few more in him.

 

[sb1]

I concur that the long term heir to Brady is drafted next April.

The 2018 QB class is absolutely stacked and there's no way BB doesn't take advantage.

 

[deroc5050]

Unfortunately I'm becoming more and more convinced that this is probably Brady's last year as a Patriot. I hate it but I feel the writing is on the wall unless Kraft personally steps in.

A lot of people on these forums must have come to that conclusion when the draft came and went without a JG trade. Not to mention Cleveland did contact the Patriots on the 1st draft day.

But if Brady and the Patriots make another Super Bowl run this year and even win it.. and Brady was again monumentally awesome, another MVP like season.. trading Brady away for an unproven QB in JG is going to be strange. Obviously the only reason this could happen is because in 2018 Brady will be 41 years old.

 

[deroc5050]

I don't get those who think JAG is guaranteed to be the future because he wasn't traded for a 1st this year. This is how I see it going down, and this scenario is far more logical than moving on from the GOAT after this season...

JAG will be the backup this year. If Brady were to go down for a few games of even longer, this is still a SB contender. JAG will be franchised after the season and traded for the best offer (just like #33 for Cassell).

Then the masses scream, "JG's value is not what it was! We could have had pick 12! Boohoo!"

Let's say they turned down #12 from Cleveland. Hell, let's say they turned down #12 and #33 from Cleveland. Now let's say they get #33 and a 3rd for JAG next year. Sounds reasonable. So we essentially dropped a 1st round pick in exchange for a 3rd round pick. And for what?

1. A great backup QB in what should be a SB year, and will remain a SB year if Brady missed time.
2. Another year of JAG under your control if the unthinkable happens and Brady gets old.

Does Belichick think these 2 real benefits are worth the difference between the player he could have gotten at #12 in 2017 versus the player he will get at #60-something in 2018? I am betting yes.

This is how it will play out.

The real question is whether Brady's heir will be drafted in 2018. I think so.

Possible but if BB thinks JG is good enough to pass up on high draft picks and then your going to franchise and trade him when Brady is going to be 41 years old? I honestly don't know about that.

 

[Dr Pain]

baring injuries of course

Reasons why I think it might be his last year

His wife wants him to retire

Reasons why I don't think it will be his last year

He is fine physically and even if he declines physically, his way of playing is not dependent on his physical skills nearly as much as others. He focuses training on flexibility to avoid injury.

His TB12 business is focused on the healthy eating aging side of him and every year he continues playing, dramatically increases the value of his TB12 brand. A 45 or 47 year old QB is a hell of a lot bigger proof than a 40 year old one.

I don't see the Patriots pushing Brady out the door anytime soon. Jimmy is safety if Tom gets hurt and it gives them one more year to work on Jacoby.

 

[mosslost]

You still haven't answered the question. It's a yes or no question: Does Brady strike you as the kind of guy that would announce his retirement beforehand and go on a retirement tour IF he plans on retiring? Yes or no.

Just curious, why do you think he is not that kind of guy? I would not judge him if he did it that way. Ortiz did it that way. I could actually see it if Pats win 2017, then they franchise Jimmy, Brady announces he will retire after 2018... they negaotiate and sign Jimmy long term during 2018.

I could see them doing the retirement tour season. People change. Brady is doing all this FB and social media stuff now, more ads then ever, cute little videos. All that is "new Brady". "TB Times".. etc. The Loony TB12 stuff... I could easily see it.

 

[mosslost]

First off, the answer for any player is "maybe." It's a hard game.

Brady's freakish will power might seem to argue that he'll make the play-to-50 thing work, come Hell or high water, but a guy with that kind of will could also decide one day, in the face of all expectations, most of which he has built - thinking of his wife's wishes, of his kids, of his health, of evolving interests in other areas of life, whatever - to do what a weak-willed person would be too weak to do: change his mind.

I have a funny feeling that's just what he'll do, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did so this coming year. It makes sense in a lot of ways, and in addition to the willpower, there is in Brady an overlooked coldly logical (Belichickian!) element which just might prevail.

I hope it doesn't happen, but it's a pretty cool narrative in its way, so I can dig it.

>>It makes sense in a lot of ways, and in addition to the willpower, there is in Brady an overlooked coldly logical (Belichickian!) element

Not so sure about this part... Brady has a lot of illogical, silly notions about things...

 

[mosslost]

He's not retiring or leaving the Patriots anytime soon. Not for at least 2-3 more years. Maybe longer.
TB will put up another spectacular season this year.
JG will be franchised and traded after the season. (unless the highly-unlikely scenario where he signs with the Pats knowing he's a backup for a couple more years). Pats won't get the same haul they were offered this year but a 1st rounder seems gettable.

they were offered precisely "Jackwagon" this year for JAG

 

[mosslost]

I respect your reply, but I disagree.
Belichick is all about value & Garoppalo's value will never be higher than it was during the draft.

Belichick would not go from a potential top 12 pick to maybe a third rounder to keep Garoppalo for one year.

I hope I am wrong, but I agree with the guy who started this thread.

Only time will tell.

They were not offered the 12.

 

[jimnance]

they were offered precisely "Jackwagon" this year for JAG

BS. Reports from multiple sources said Cleve offered #12 and #33.

 

[Kontradiction]

Just curious, why do you think he is not that kind of guy? I would not judge him if he did it that way. Ortiz did it that way. I could actually see it if Pats win 2017, then they franchise Jimmy, Brady announces he will retire after 2018... they negaotiate and sign Jimmy long term during 2018.

I could see them doing the retirement tour season. People change. Brady is doing all this FB and social media stuff now, more ads then ever, cute little videos. All that is "new Brady". "TB Times".. etc. The Loony TB12 stuff... I could easily see it.

Because that puts the spotlight on him instead of the team. Brady just simply is not that kind of guy. It has nothing to do with how people will judge him for it.

 

[jimnance]

>>

Not so sure about this part... Brady has a lot of illogical, silly notions about things...

Really? That sounds more like YOU.

 

[mosslost]

Because that puts the spotlight on him instead of the team. Brady just simply is not that kind of guy. It has nothing to do with how people will judge him for it.

I think that it actually helps the team especially in the whole Brady/Garappollo thing.. The team has extreme motivation, and they can negotiate with JAG.. etc. I think knowing Brady's final season before it starts is helpful actually, for the team.

 

[mosslost]

BS. Reports from multiple sources said Cleve offered #12 and #33.