Is a Cassel led Pats offense capable of scoring more than 21 points?

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

So, you hated 2001?

In 2001 The team scored 21 points or more in 9 of those 19 games so YOU must have forgotten 2001

I can assure you that if Cassel is the starting QB all season they will NEVER and I mean NEVER score 21 points 9 times unless the defense puts up points alot or puts the offense deep into the other teams red zone -Take that to the bank.

 

[Sicilian]

In 2001 The team scored 21 points or more in 9 of those 19 games so YOU must have forgotten 2001

I can assure you that if Cassel is the starting QB all season they will NEVER and I mean NEVER score 21 points 9 times unless the defense puts up points alot or puts the offense deep into the other teams red zone -Take that to the bank.

I haven't looked up the stats, so I'm just asking... did the OFFENSE put up 21 points in 9 games, or did the defense help them out a bit. If that's the case, you have to grant these Patriots the same luxury if you're making the comparison, don't you?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I haven't looked up the stats, so I'm just asking... did the OFFENSE put up 21 points in 9 games, or did the defense help them out a bit. If that's the case, you have to grant these Patriots the same luxury if you're making the comparison, don't you?

You do have a point there and I will have to see if I can find out total defensive stats for that season and how many points were scored by the D - I will see what I can dig up.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

With each thread you start I am becoming more and more convinced you are not now, nor have ever been a fan of the New England Patriots and are troll. The name TROLLINPA would be more fitting.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

With each thread you start I am becoming more and more convinced you are not now, nor have ever been a fan of the New England Patriots and are troll. The name TROLLINPA would be more fitting.

Been a fan for 30 years and have spent hundreds each year on Patriots merchandise and in 1990 spent $200 on a Leather Jacket and wore Pats clothing throughout the 1990 1-15 season so GFY to the highest degree - You are probably 17 years old

Another so called fan who don't know jack about someone on the internet just likes to spew junk from the keyboard.

Cassel is a waste of sperm as an NFL starting QB - Live with it

 

[D-Money]

I wouldnt call him a waste of sperm,but i agree, this team should try and get a QB during this week.

 

[Sicilian]

With each thread you start I am becoming more and more convinced you are not now, nor have ever been a fan of the New England Patriots and are troll. The name TROLLINPA would be more fitting.

I think the poll is a fair question given what we've seen so far. I personally think they're more than capable of doing it, which is different from saying they WILL do it.

I'm willing to give Cassel the benefit of the doubt for at least another game. If we lose to San Fran and he looks like he did on Sunday, something has to be done. That's not trolling, it's legitimate concern.

 

[JoePats]

And IMO a Cassel led offense without help from the defense would score about 300-320 points on the season 'at best'

Well 320 points would be 20 per game, so it's safe to say that in some games they would exceed 21.

 

[spacecrime]

I don't care who you are, EVERYONE said that before week 2. People can come in and deny it. But in denying it, they are freely admitting that they expected Cassel to complete bomb after bomb ala Brady '07 and win games for this team. So if they deny it, in a sense, they are completely ******ed.

Is the point you are making so weak you must resort to the tired "anyone who doesn't agree is ******ed" line of defense?

Show me the post where I said I expect Cassel to complete bomb after bomb, or admit you are completely ******ed. SHow me the posts where "everyone" said that.

What I recall is most people saying we were doomed, and the rest saying we'll be fine. Most compared this year to 2001 (and Cassel's second start mirrors Brady's second start, right down to a huge loss to Miami (though Cassel had better numbers). What no one expected was for the defense to be dominated so badly, though the more football-wise of us understand that a bad game can happen any given Sunday.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I haven't looked up the stats, so I'm just asking... did the OFFENSE put up 21 points in 9 games, or did the defense help them out a bit. If that's the case, you have to grant these Patriots the same luxury if you're making the comparison, don't you?

I did look up per your request and the best stats I got was ..

Otis Smith 2 ints resulting in 2 TDs
Terrell Buckley 1 int resulting in 1 TD
Ty Law 2 ints resulting in 2 TDs

Otis Smith was a beast that year with 5 Ints which gained 181 return yards - I never realized till now how outside of Ty Law on how good Otis was that year.

Of course this does not help to know when these scores occured and what game they were in.

 

[NSpatsfan]

I think so, he made some plays in the Jets game and I thought looked pretty good. Give it some time.

 

[stcjones]

I think in a few more games, McDaniels and Belichick will open up the offense a bit more. I think they are doing somewhat what the Colts did with Manning his rookie season, keeping him on short leash and not let him air out the ball until he is more comfortable with the offense. No, I don't think Cassel is anywhere near as good as Manning, but it is the same strategy.

So yes, I think they are capable of it.

Rob.....No offense....but they can't OPEN it up with Cassel.....at least not often.....This guy has proven nothing in being able to consistently and accurately throw the long ball.....He is an average to slightly below average QB that if he stays in as starter....will continue to hand off and throw the short passes/screens.......If the OL doesn't improve it's play, I suppose it doesn't matter who is QB...because they will be rushed/sacked constantly.....and we will continue to have NO running game......I just wish BB had addressed the backup position a little more cleverly/thoroughly this offseason and maybe this has taught him something.......because I think something has happened to the mental psyche of this team with Cassel in there.....NO confidence in him whatsoever.....If they bring in a guy like culpepper..(good fit with Moss and does have a great arm still) soon....there is hope.....If they stay with Cassel....or go to Okee for some ungodly reason (no offense to him......but he isn't even close to being ready to play every week in the NFL).......we are in for a long season.......

 

[gonzo99us]

ugh....why even bother asking these sorts of questions.

 

[PATRIOT64]

Cassel relies on our defense to give him good field position when the offense takes over and a shorter trip to the opponents end zone - When the defense does'nt deliver like it didn't on sunday, the offense is in BIG trouble

Unless the RBs gain huge yardage during a long drive, the offense will struggle to get more than 3 points as evidenced by Gostkowski already kicking 7 FGs this year that might have been mostly TDs with a more experienced QB like Brady.

All this can change for Matt with a little more time but I doubt we see a sudden change any time soon so no, I don't think 21 points or more will be commonplace in 2008 unless Moss or Welker unleashes pure fury somehow.

Expect victories when they come of scores like 17-14 or 14-10 more often and more like the old days of 2001-2004 when we were called 'boring' - Of course victories will be harder to come by than it was then anyway.

 

[ConfederateSoldier]

No. Plain and simple. Cassel is just not a leader. I've said it time and time again: Gutierrez is the gut we want. Until then, kiss this season goodbye.

 

[Alex24]

Don't get mad,Its a simple question.

The defense creating several turnovers or pix sixes is not included in whether the team scores more than 21 - Its solely based on the offense so no help from the defense when deciding your answer.

Is the OFFENSE under Cassel capable of putting more than 21 on the board?

I think a offense under Cassel is more than capable of scoring over 21 lol,especially with the talent surrounding him.

 

[captain stone]

Any time soon? No way!

First of all, the o-line isn't exactly all-world. A new qb with suspect reading ability needs as much o-line support as possible. Cassel can't get beyond his second read. O-line collapse is part of it - but I also think he panics easily and he reads slow. I also donlt think he can throw left. On Sunday I saw Randy Moss in one on one coverage a hanfdul of times - no check off at the line....no nothing. You could see Cassel read 1....read 2....and then "oh sh*t"

Very good insight. I voted No because of these same issues.

Looks like SuperChicken might be right, for once.

 

[NEPatriot]

I voted NO because Cassel has not reacted FAST enough during the ball game. If he thinks that he has a whole day to throw the ball, he's in deep hole.

He needs to read the D and check his WRs and release the ball FAST because the OL are not going to HOLD the line for him that long.

 

[Kontradiction]

Is the point you are making so weak you must resort to the tired "anyone who doesn't agree is ******ed" line of defense?

Show me the post where I said I expect Cassel to complete bomb after bomb, or admit you are completely ******ed. SHow me the posts where "everyone" said that.

What I recall is most people saying we were doomed, and the rest saying we'll be fine. Most compared this year to 2001 (and Cassel's second start mirrors Brady's second start, right down to a huge loss to Miami (though Cassel had better numbers). What no one expected was for the defense to be dominated so badly, though the more football-wise of us understand that a bad game can happen any given Sunday.

No because it's the truth. You seem to recall something else. I recall the people here whose posts I care to read saying the only way this team gets into the post season is if Cassel gets help from the running game, the O-Line, and the defense. Now that we lost, the majority of people around here blamed the loss on Cassel. What I was saying was that, while Cassel did not light up the field, he didn't lose the game either. He received no help from the defense or the running game. And no, I'm not looking up week old posts either. Is the point you are making so weak you must resort to the "find me the posts where we said this, this, and this" line of defense?

 

[VJCPatriot]

He hasn't done it yet so I voted no. I'm not throwing Cassel under the bus yet but obviously he has a lot to prove. The game after the bye could be a big statement game for Cassel. Whether he chooses to make a negative or positive statement... we'll just have to wait and see.