Interesting PFF grades...

[Brady6]

I know PFF isn't liked or respected by everyone but I still think you'll find these grades interesting.



I would say Butler and Ryan have both exceed every expectation.

 

[oldrover]

I know PFF isn't liked or respected by everyone but I still think you'll find these grades interesting.



I would say Butler and Ryan have both exceed every expectation.

RE-SIGN REVIS AND BROWNER OR WE ARE DOOMED!!! LMAO!!!

 

[Big-T]

DeAndre Hopkins made Revis look like some street FA scrub. Logan Ryan (albeit with Safety help) kept him largely anonymous.

The problem with Revis this year is that he looks to have lost a step or 2 since last season. Still a good player but not one worth his contract.

 

[ViperGTS]

DeAndre Hopkins made Revis look like some street FA scrub. Logan Ryan (albeit with Safety help) kept him largely anonymous.

The problem with Revis this year is that he looks to have lost a step or 2 since last season. Still a good player but not one worth his contract.

He had lost a step last year. I saw it. Doesn't mean he's bad, but like you said just not worth what he makes.

 

[ausbacker]

The fastest way to make PFF go away is to stop referencing them.

 

[Brady6]

The fastest way to make PFF go away is to stop referencing them.

I don't think they are that bad, they provide an interesting outlook on things. Is it always a good outlook or accurate absolutely not but that's the case with all stats and grades.

Reiss, Bedard, Curran and many others rely on their data.

 

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[TBR]

Not really a fan of PFF for skill position players

 

[ausbacker]

I don't think they are that bad, they provide an interesting outlook on things. Is it always a good outlook or accurate absolutely not but that's the case with all stats and grades.

Reiss, Bedard, Curran and many others rely on their data.

They're a terrible source of information and without being derogatory to your general position, they aren't worth a damn.

 

[Sciz]

There's enough anti-PFF sentiment here without me, so...remember when Volin said that the Pats should offer Logan Ryan plus their second round pick for Revis on his $16M a year contract?

Good stuff.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

It's not like Belichick didn't badly want Revis. I'm quite sure he was very dejected when Revis signed with the Jets, but this is why he did: there is a value on every free agent player, which includes the risk of declining production, and Belichick felt the price tag was too high.

When you pay a guy as much as Revis, there's almost no way for him to exceed his contract and add value. He would need to play at an all-pro level just to be worth the money and would have be even better (if that's possible) to exceed it. If he plays worse than that, it is a bad deal. Meanwhile, taking risks in guys like Butler and Ryan, it works the other way. They almost can't play worse than their contracts, so it's all upside and bonus. Basic economics.

This is why the Jets are so stupid. They are arrogant enough to think that Revis transcends economics and the NFL free agency system, though no player does. They were going to sign him whatever the cost and they did. Not much different than the Dolphins with Suh.

I would still take Revis over Butler or Ryan, but it is shockingly not a very simple answer. However, the following players are worth the amount of Revis:

Malcolm Butler (500k)
Logan Ryan (850k)
Jabaal Sheard (5.5M)
Devin McCourty (9M)

That comes out to just over $16M, about the same as Revis. The Patriots were even able to give McCourty a gigantic but not absurd deal and sign Sheard by saving tons of dollars at the cornerback position with little, if any drop off. Would you take Butler, Ryan, McCourty, and Sheard, or just Revis? Even if Revis were still playing at an all-pro level, it's still a no brainier. Want to know why the Patriots top the Jets in the standings every year? Decisions like this.

 

[n1997y]

It's not like Belichick didn't badly want Revis. I'm quite sure he was very dejected when Revis signed with the Jets, but this is why he did: there is a value on every free agent player, which includes the risk of declining production, and Belichick felt the price tag was too high.

When you pay a guy as much as Revis, there's almost no way for him to exceed his contract and add value. He would need to play at an all-pro level just to be worth the money and would have be even better (if that's possible) to exceed it. If he plays worse than that, it is a bad deal. Meanwhile, taking risks in guys like Butler and Ryan, it works the other way. They almost can't play worse than their contracts, so it's all upside and bonus. Basic economics.

This is why the Jets are so stupid. They are arrogant enough to think that Revis transcends economics and the NFL free agency system, though no player does. They were going to sign him whatever the cost and they did. Not much different than the Dolphins with Suh.

I would still take Revis over Butler or Ryan, but it is shockingly not a very simple answer. However, the following players are worth the amount of Revis:

Malcolm Butler (500k)
Logan Ryan (850k)
Jabaal Sheard (5.5M)
Devin McCourty (9M)

That comes out to just over $16M, about the same as Revis. The Patriots were even able to give McCourty a gigantic but not absurd deal and sign Sheard by saving tons of dollars at the cornerback position with little, if any drop off. Would you take Butler, Ryan, McCourty, and Sheard, or just Revis? Even if Revis were still playing at an all-pro level, it's still a no brainier. Want to know why the Patriots top the Jets in the standings every year? Decisions like this.

Good analysis. Couple of nits to pick with you/it, however.

First, not sure I would take Revis over either Butler or Ryan at the moment. For one game or one play, might consider it, but probably not. For a season, no way. For a multi-year contract, not even close.

Second, don't think the Jets think Revis transcends economics. Instead I think they view economics as transcending the field. Revis sells tickets. This year. Remember when the Jets had to have Rex Ryan calling to push season ticket holders to re-up? They've got a different perspective. They have to consider marketing factors, because they have a product mired in mediocrity, in a division owned by a rival that excels at keeping their product the best in the business.

Those are relatively minor details though, overall your post is exemplary, well thought out and makes a great point: is $16,000,000 better spent on one big name declining talent at CB, or four very good players that include two rising future star CBs, an undervalued LB and an Pro Bowl caliber safety? We definitely agree on that, I think.

 

[Jlaff]

Rex Ryan was calling season ticket holders, lol, wtf?

Thank goodness BB was an economics major and thank goodness he's as stubborn as he is in sticking to his player valuations. With the benefit of hindsight, and based on the current production we're enjoying, it would have been a mistake to sign Revis at the offer Bill gave him.

 

[strngplyr]

PFF has great advanced stats (which many Pats writers now provide for the Pats which they never did before but still lack the league wide comparison), however, PFF has awful rankings and ratings.

Simply put, use them for their stats, not their rankings/ratings.

 

[patfanken]

I don't think they are that bad, they provide an interesting outlook on things. Is it always a good outlook or accurate absolutely not but that's the case with all stats and grades.

Reiss, Bedard, Curran and many others rely on their data.

The key word here is RELY. While it is fine to reference PFF and use their data, however it would be a huge mistake to RELY on it.

The fallacies of the PFF ratings system have been well documented here. We all should be aware of them. No system that rates individuals who play a sport where individual success is so dependent on others, is fundamentally flawed by definition. Sabermetrics might work in baseball, but will always fail those who RELY on it in football. Especially when they are used by mediots who don't even take the time to study how the data is gathered and what the ratings even mean.

For entertainment purposes and a decent indicator, these ratings services add to a fan's enjoyment of the game. However I think the guys you mention are among the guys who are smart enough to recognize PFF's limitations.. They may occasionally "reference" PFF, but the day they "rely" on it will be the day I tune them out.

 

[mihap]

I have to give credit to Logan Ryan. Not cause this PFF stats, but because he really impressed me last 9 games. Covering Deandre Hopkins was cherry on the top of his performance. Keep up the good work Ryan, and i hope that u wot get negative post from me anymore.

 

[meatface]

With how well he has played does Logan Ryan take an extension of the patriots offer one?

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[manxman2601]

The key word here is RELY. While it is fine to reference PFF and use their data, however it would be a huge mistake to RELY on it.

The fallacies of the PFF ratings system have been well documented here. We all should be aware of them. No system that rates individuals who play a sport where individual success is so dependent on others, is fundamentally flawed by definition. Sabermetrics might work in baseball, but will always fail those who RELY on it in football. Especially when they are used by mediots who don't even take the time to study how the data is gathered and what the ratings even mean.

For entertainment purposes and a decent indicator, these ratings services add to a fan's enjoyment of the game. However I think the guys you mention are among the guys who are smart enough to recognize PFF's limitations.. They may occasionally "reference" PFF, but the day they "rely" on it will be the day I tune them out.

Finally a mature critique of PFF.

 

[RayClay]

Football doesn't lend itself to individual statistical ranking. Butler has top cornerback skills. Ryan stunk until he was integrated into a system where he would usually have safety help and our pass rush effort and safety play was a lot better than in the past. Do what you do well, have limited responsibilities, grow in confidence to where you start to do other things well.

A lot of playing cornerback is confidence and attitude.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't think they are that bad, they provide an interesting outlook on things. Is it always a good outlook or accurate absolutely not but that's the case with all stats and grades.

Reiss, Bedard, Curran and many others rely on their data.

It's one point of data. The raw stats are sometimes accurate - sometimes not. Same goes for their analytics and grading calculations.