Interesting: Kraft Group Making a bid for the Globe?

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

I hadn't realized that the police had that boat surround for six hours. You definitely have better sources than I do, in that case.

Considering that the homeowner stayed in his house until the "carefully go about your business" directive went out at a 6 PM press conference,

then he went outside at 6:15 or 6:30 PM and saw that his boat had been disturbed,

then he called 911,

then shots were fired by police at just after 7 PM, reported live on TV,

and the suspect was in custody at about 8:45 PM,

The only way there was news of him being in the boat 6 hours beforehand (2:45 PM) would be some kind of psychic hotline predicting what the homeowner would discover in another 3.5 hours, minimum.

And he is saying the police were there on site, 4 hours before they were even CALLED?

In other words, Synovia's assertion is complete baloney.

 

[AzPatsFan]

That right there is the problem. People who think news from these sources is actually "credible". Established sources like the Globe and vast others have a credibility that is tangible, regardless of which end of the spectrum you are on ideologically, there is a "credible" source. It's a whole other argument as to what is "credible" in the established newsources, but they are and will continue to evolve along with social media. I think Kraft sees a business opportunity to get in on the ground floor of this evolution and grow the business potential part of it and the Globe provides that base.

One thing is certain, Bob Kraft is no fool. The same CANNOT be said of the current Sulzberger idiot who is ruining a fine families reputation, and also destroying their business empire. He has surrounded himself with sycophantic lapdogs, and filter all news through the prism of his political thinking for his flagship and all his satellite newspapers, like the Boston Globe.

People don't want to be preached at 24/7. Especially with one sided opinions passed off as news, and many times is known to be wrong, or at least incomplete. The public will just refuse to buy the product, and they have done so in increasing numbers, while turning elsewhere. But not all print journalism is failing like the NYT empire. For example, the WSJ continues to set records for readership.

 

[Claremonster]

Strange investment choice. Buying a newspaper right now is a bit like buying a house thats about to get condemned.

Unless you've got some sort of outside plan for the property/brand/etc, you're probably just going to lose a bunch of money.

If he converts it to online the right way, it can still make cashflow.

I also think that he owns a paper business, so, that could be a good match too.

 

[Claremonster]

One thing is certain, Bob Kraft is no fool. The same CANNOT be said of the current Sulzberger idiot who is ruining a fine families reputation, and also destroying their business empire. He has surrounded himself with sycophantic lapdogs, and filter all news through the prism of his political thinking for his flagship and all his satellite newspapers, like the Boston Globe.

People don't want to be preached at 24/7. Especially with one sided opinions passed off as news, and many times is known to be wrong, or at least incomplete. The public will just refuse to buy the product, and they have done so in increasing numbers, while turning elsewhere. But not all print journalism is failing like the NYT empire. For example, the WSJ continues to set records for readership.

WSJ is a joke.

 

[PP2]

Your generation probably sees newspapers as credible, but mine really doesn't. Take a look at the coverage of the Marathon bombing... the TV news was just repeating the same stuff over and over, despite it being 8-10 hours old, and a good chunk of that data had already been recanted, or proved wrong. Boston.com was slightly better, but still way behind.

All of the accurate, up to date information was coming out of police scanners on youtube, Watertown residents blogs, etc. The news reported the boat about 6 hours after the police got there, or about 5 hours and 45 minutes after the bloggers started talking about it.

As to content generation, most of the stuff (scandals, etc) I see in the newspaper are rehashes of stuff that reddit, or blogs, or facebook has been talking about for a couple days.

There's no longer really a need for people to go out and find the news, with the internet, it spreads on its own.

I was following the police scanners via reddit so the lapse was 30 seconds to 2 minutes for me, but there was a monstrous amount of misinformation being relayed, a natural product of being in the heat of the moment. Credible reporting filters this out.

Mainstream newspapers will decline but never go out of business, just as paper-printed books have also declined but will not go out of business just because there are e-books.

 

[Claremonster]

Your generation probably sees newspapers as credible, but mine really doesn't. Take a look at the coverage of the Marathon bombing... the TV news was just repeating the same stuff over and over, despite it being 8-10 hours old, and a good chunk of that data had already been recanted, or proved wrong. Boston.com was slightly better, but still way behind.

All of the accurate, up to date information was coming out of police scanners on youtube, Watertown residents blogs, etc. The news reported the boat about 6 hours after the police got there, or about 5 hours and 45 minutes after the bloggers started talking about it.

As to content generation, most of the stuff (scandals, etc) I see in the newspaper are rehashes of stuff that reddit, or blogs, or facebook has been talking about for a couple days.

There's no longer really a need for people to go out and find the news, with the internet, it spreads on its own.

A lot of it is selling ad space and there are still people buying newspapers. I already know what you're saying, but, it's still a viable business. You can morph it to other forms of "news" other than a physical paper.

 

[Claremonster]

I was following the police scanners via reddit so the lapse was 30 seconds to 2 minutes for me, but there was a monstrous amount of misinformation being relayed, a natural product of being in the heat of the moment. Credible reporting filters this out.

Mainstream newspapers will decline but never go out of business, just as paper-printed books have also declined but will not go out of business just because there are e-books.

Credible "news" is very objectionable... :bricks:

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

One thing is certain, Bob Kraft is no fool. The same CANNOT be said of the current Sulzberger idiot who is ruining a fine families reputation, and also destroying their business empire. He has surrounded himself with sycophantic lapdogs, and filter all news through the prism of his political thinking for his flagship and all his satellite newspapers, like the Boston Globe.

People don't want to be preached at 24/7. Especially with one sided opinions passed off as news, and many times is known to be wrong, or at least incomplete. The public will just refuse to buy the product, and they have done so in increasing numbers, while turning elsewhere. But not all print journalism is failing like the NYT empire. For example, the WSJ continues to set records for readership.

Excellent points.

And I disagree with the assertions made earlier that print media has good profit margins. It doesn't. The Globe from memory sold for ~$1+ billion. They're looking for $100 million or a couple times that. The problem isn't amortizing the purchase price it's the operational costs of brick & mortar, union workers, etc. Even worse, Synovia is correct in the broad points. Folks are getting their news from other sources. I also disagree with those disparaging all alternative sources. The NYT and WaPo have beclowned themselves by printing political press releases as "news" and ignoring stories their publishers deem unfit to print at their peril of demise.

The papers doing OK are small market papers, yes just reprinting AP etc. stories but adding content value by spending their resources developing local stories. But they all suffer trying to get us to pay online fees to read their stories.

 

[gobesmug]

I think most people who read newspapers whether in print or online. Are looking for well written articles that contain details about that facts. A blog or tweet 30 seconds after a car explodes on a street stating, "S!@#! This car just blew up on my street!" Is great for fast information. But for me and a lot of people, I want to know who owned the car, why it was parked on the street, the reason it blew up, and written in a professional manner. Sifting through hundreds of blogs and thousands of tweets of misinformation to get the news a few minutes faster just doesn't interest me, and probably a lot of other people as well. FYI I'm 27 and do not speak for a generation.

 

[fair catch fryar]

One thing is certain, Bob Kraft is no fool. The same CANNOT be said of the current Sulzberger idiot who is ruining a fine families reputation, and also destroying their business empire. He has surrounded himself with sycophantic lapdogs, and filter all news through the prism of his political thinking for his flagship and all his satellite newspapers, like the Boston Globe.

People don't want to be preached at 24/7. Especially with one sided opinions passed off as news, and many times is known to be wrong, or at least incomplete. The public will just refuse to buy the product, and they have done so in increasing numbers, while turning elsewhere. But not all print journalism is failing like the NYT empire. For example, the WSJ continues to set records for readership.

The Wall Street Journal's integrity is a shell of it's former self since News Corp and Rupert Murdoch bought it. It used to be a non-partisan, no bullcrap, investigative news source. Unfortunately, now it is just as biased to the right as the HuffPo is biased to the left and reached it's readership numbers using a similar strategy. My hope is that more media starts to gravitate back to the middle and targeting the crazy concept of reporting facts and the truth. No spin, no bull.

 

[Synovia]

Who gets news from Youtube?

I spent the day of the Boston Marathon listening to a live feed of a police scanner (I'm not in boston anymore) positioned in Watertown. There was a lot more news on that youtube feed than on WBZ.

 

[Synovia]

That right there is the problem. People who think news from these sources is actually "credible". Established sources like the Globe and vast others have a credibility that is tangible, regardless of which end of the spectrum you are on ideologically, there is a "credible" source.

What exactly makes the globe "Credible" when they're just quoting what came off the police scanner, or a blogger 6 hours earlier?

Because thats exactly what they're doing at this point.

Having a building doesn't lend credibility.

 

[Synovia]

Considering that the homeowner stayed in his house until the "carefully go about your business" directive went out at a 6 PM press conference,

then he went outside at 6:15 or 6:30 PM and saw that his boat had been disturbed,

then he called 911,

then shots were fired by police at just after 7 PM, reported live on TV,

and the suspect was in custody at about 8:45 PM,

The only way there was news of him being in the boat 6 hours beforehand (2:45 PM) would be some kind of psychic hotline predicting what the homeowner would discover in another 3.5 hours, minimum.

And he is saying the police were there on site, 4 hours before they were even CALLED?

In other words, Synovia's assertion is complete baloney.

It was roughly 3PM that the police scanners were reporting that there was a suspicious covered boat in a backyard, and that they were firing dummy rounds at it.

I was sitting at work listening to it, and I get off work at 4:30.

 

[Synovia]

I was following the police scanners via reddit so the lapse was 30 seconds to 2 minutes for me, but there was a monstrous amount of misinformation being relayed, a natural product of being in the heat of the moment. Credible reporting filters this out..

I agree that there was a large amount of misinformation on the police scanners.

I disagree that "Credible reporting" filters it out.

The "Credible" news outlets reported that there was a bomb at the JFK library. They reported that the police had arrested the suspect the first day. They reported that the bomb was in a trashcan (and that several others had been found). They reported that the suspects were men, women, black, white, muslim, environmentalists, etc. All of these things came over channel 4,5, etc News.

It was the same crap that was floating around reddit and the blogs and scanners, just 8 hours later.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

It was roughly 3PM that the police scanners were reporting that there was a suspicious covered boat in a backyard, and that they were firing dummy rounds at it.

I was sitting at work listening to it, and I get off work at 4:30.

So you don't believe the boat owner, on tape, the guy who called police in the first place, who says that he did so after the 6PM press conference telling people they could go outside?

Okay...

Boat owner tells CNN affiliate of discovering Boston bombing suspect - CNN.com

When the "shelter-in-place" order was lifted just after 6 p.m., Henneberry said he went outside

"Go out and get some air. I am just going to put the pads back. They were bugging me all day. So I went out in the yard and felt the freedom that everyone is Watertown was feeling. When I pulled the strap, it was a lot looser than it usually is. But again, the wind could have loosened things up," he said.

Despite official accounts that he saw blood on the outside of the boat, Henneberry said that is not true.

"No indication of anything. I know people say I saw blood on the boat, 'He saw blood on the boat.' Not true," he said.

"I said OK, everything is fine. There are no visible signs of blood outside the boat. I went inside," he said.

But something was nagging at him and his obsession with his boat soon had him taking another walk into the yard. This time, he put a ladder up to the side of the boat to take a closer look.

"I got three steps up the ladder and rolled the shrink wrap. I didn't expect to see anything, but I saw blood on the floor of the boat. A good amount of blood," he said.

"And I said 'Wow, did I cut myself last time?' I thought. I was in the boat a couple of weeks ago. Then I just look over there, and there is more blood," he said.

Then he saw Tsarnaev.

"And I looked back and forth a couple of times and my eyes went to the engine block and there was a body," he said.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metr...1628/19863572/-/item/0/-/84q84rz/-/index.html

summary:
goes outside after 6 PM
goes back inside
something's nagging him, goes back outside
sees the crook
calls 911

unless time travel was involved, the first cop arrived after 6:30.

 

[Synovia]

So you don't believe the boat owner, on tape, the guy who called police in the first place, who says that he did so after the 6PM press conference telling people they could go outside?

Okay...

Boat owner tells CNN affiliate of discovering Boston bombing suspect - CNN.com

Of course I believe they did. All I'm saying is that the police scanner, prior to me getting off of work (at 4:30) was talking about a suspicious boat.

I'm saying that the "Credible News" were still reporting a bomb in the JFK library a full day after the JFK library, and the Boston police had said it wasn't a bomb.

I'm saying that the "Credible News" reported that the suspects were in custody when some random racists tackled a muslim guy in the boston commons because he looked "suspicious" 20 minutes after the bombing.

I'm saying that the "Credible News" is reporting the same crap as the bloggers, they're just slower, and slower to correct their mistakes.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Of course I believe they did. All I'm saying is that the police scanner, prior to me getting off of work (at 4:30) was talking about a suspicious boat.

you said that police were surrounding the boat 6 hours before TV news reported it, not that there may be some sketchy boats in backyards somewhere that a guy could hide in.

TV news reported Police shooting at the boat right after 7PM.

So your initial story was cops surrounding the boat at 1PM.

The guy who called the cops clearly states it happened well after 6PM.

This isn't rocket science dude. You can say it: "I was wrong"

Not hard!

 

[fair catch fryar]

What exactly makes the globe "Credible" when they're just quoting what came off the police scanner, or a blogger 6 hours earlier?

Because thats exactly what they're doing at this point.

Having a building doesn't lend credibility.

Apparently Bob Kraft and his money do.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The Wall Street Journal's integrity is a shell of it's former self since News Corp and Rupert Murdoch bought it. It used to be a non-partisan, no bullcrap, investigative news source. Unfortunately, now it is just as biased to the right as the HuffPo is biased to the left and reached it's readership numbers using a similar strategy. My hope is that more media starts to gravitate back to the middle and targeting the crazy concept of reporting facts and the truth. No spin, no bull.

I would love to read your analysis of the NYT and WaPo

 

[PP2]

I agree that there was a large amount of misinformation on the police scanners.

I disagree that "Credible reporting" filters it out.

The "Credible" news outlets reported that there was a bomb at the JFK library. They reported that the police had arrested the suspect the first day. They reported that the bomb was in a trashcan (and that several others had been found). They reported that the suspects were men, women, black, white, muslim, environmentalists, etc. All of these things came over channel 4,5, etc News.

It was the same crap that was floating around reddit and the blogs and scanners, just 8 hours later.

I use the term "credible reporting" to mean a source like the Globe.. of course the news channels were all over themselves reporting a lot of misinformation as you point out, especially FOX jumping the gun on posting a picture of the alleged backpack.

The Globe reported none of those things, AFAIK.