Incognito suspended indefinitely by Dolphins

[manxman2601]

I feel like you are completely misjudging what jock culture is like - especially in football.

Read up on the Standford Prison Experiment and then report back about what a unique and beautiful snowflake you are.

I love you man I'm not trying to hate but it takes a truly heroic human being to stand up against the rest of their peers telling them they have to do something. It's pure hubris to assume you'd be the one guy in the crowd not saluting Hitler. (Godwinned.)

If you really knew me then you'd know that I'm more likely to be standing in front of the tank than beating up prisoners. it's not bravado, it's stubbornness born out of a stupid loyalty to principles and a stoical approach to personal consequences.

I'm not trying to be a snowflake, just a stubborn pain the rear end.

 

[hwc]

Hazing is fine when it's done right. As has been mentioned, it helps build comradery in a weird "hey, we had to do it too", sort of way. The issue is when hazing goes too far, such as $30,000 dinners and handing over $15,000 of your money so other guys can go to Vegas for free.

Unfortunately, hazing always escalates over time until it inevitably goes too far.

I think that publicly, the NFL is going to paint Miami as being a complete outlier and dump it all on them. Behind the scenes, this is going to reverberate through every team in the league.

 

[Fixit]

Because there is no reason for an intelligent person to resort to personal insults in response to a disagreement other than not having a way to counter the argument and sinking to that level as a result.

Actually, there are plenty of reasons. For example, a poster may just grow tired of someone ignoring facts.

It may reflect poorly on the poster, but it has no bearing on the strength of the argument.

 

[shmessy]

You do realize that the voicemail in question is from April, right?

The Miami Dolphins do. And they have suspended him indefinitely.

 

[Ring 6]

Actually, there are plenty of reasons. For example, a poster may just grow tired of someone ignoring facts.

It may reflect poorly on the poster, but it has no bearing on the strength of the argument.

We will just have to disagree on that.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Miami Dolphins do. And they have suspended him indefinitely.

Which means nothing beyond CYA, at the moment, as far as we know.

 

[shmessy]

You're assuming it was an actual threat. It might have been. It might not have been. That's why we need context.

Context:

The Miami Dolphins, after defending Richie Incognito for the first 5 days of the scandal by claiming there was absolutely nothing wrong with what was happening in their lockerroom, suspended him indefinitely and called in the NFL to take over further handling of the situation within 1 hour of viewing the preliminary evidence.

How's that for context?

 

[skspikex2]

Per multiple sites:

This guy just make Riley Cooper looks like Abraham Lincoln.

 

[Fixit]

We will just have to disagree on that.

There's nothing to disagree on, Andy.

You kept holding on to the notion that the posts weren't from Incognito's father, because you didn't have the info. Other people did have it.

Their argument was solid, yours was not.

Just because someone loses patience with you and mocks you, that doesn't negate the fact that they're right.

If someone with a thermometer says it's 45 degrees outside, and you argue that it's 35 degrees, that person calling you names still doesn't mean they're wrong.

Holy cow.

 

[shmessy]

Which means nothing beyond CYA, at the moment, as far as we know.

....and why would they have to CYA all of a sudden?

They certainly weren't worried about CYA for the first 5 days. There was nary a word of concern. They had it all explained.

Nope. Not until they saw the evidence last night, and somehow they leapt into C-ing their A's immediately.

 

[groganbootleg]

Hazing is fine when it's done right. As has been mentioned, it helps build comradery in a weird "hey, we had to do it too", sort of way. The issue is when hazing goes too far, such as $30,000 dinners and handing over $15,000 of your money so other guys can go to Vegas for free.

Done right? Seriously? Thats a horrible statement made by someone who has never been on the opposite side of a violent hazing incident. Its never ok for the person who is being physically abused. You don't build camaraderie with teammates by beating the crap out of one of them. Its bullying and its it separates people far more than it brings them together. People stand idly by and watch it occur because they don't want to be labeled a "*****" by their teammates. Kudos to Martin for standing up to this imbecile.

 

[Fixit]

By the way, there's a very real possibility that Incognito's problems won't end with just league discipline. The stuff he is (I'll say this for the benefit of others) alleged to have done is illegal.

 

[Fixit]

Done right? Seriously? Thats a horrible statement made by someone who has never been on the opposite side of a violent hazing incident. Its never ok for the person who is being physically abused. You don't build camaraderie with teammates by beating the crap out of one of them. Its bullying and its it separates people far more than it brings them together. People stand idly by and watch it occur because they don't want to be labeled a "*****" by their teammates. Kudos to Martin for standing up to this imbecile.

Yeah, hazing in all of its forms is idiotic.

 

[Deus Irae]

Context:

The Miami Dolphins, after defending Richie Incognito for the first 5 days of the scandal by claiming there was absolutely nothing wrong with what was happening in their lockerroom, suspended him indefinitely and called in the NFL to take over further handling of the situation within 1 hour of viewing the preliminary evidence.

How's that for context?

pretty much useless

 

[chasa]

Done right? Seriously? Thats a horrible statement made by someone who has never been on the opposite side of a violent hazing incident. Its never ok for the person who is being physically abused. You don't build camaraderie with teammates by beating the crap out of one of them. Its bullying and its it separates people far more than it brings them together. People stand idly by and watch it occur because they don't want to be labeled a "*****" by their teammates. Kudos to Martin for standing up to this imbecile.

in 99% of cases yes, but there are some situations where its really not that big of a deal.

Rookies carrying the pads, Rookies getting stupid haircuts, Rookies having to wear stupid outfits. Those are harmless "hazing" which would really require the rookie who gets offended to maybe reassess their life a little bit.

Forcing rookies to foot a $30,000 dinner bill, and the type of stuff incognito said? completely different.

Playful hazing = okay
hurtful hazing = not okay

 

[reflexblue]

Incognito LOOKs the part, he looks like someone who collected a lot of lunch money when he was in grade school. And hes still doing it now only its not a $1.00 its $15,000 thousand a wack.

 

[groganbootleg]

in 99% of cases yes, but there are some situations where its really not that big of a deal.

Rookies carrying the pads, Rookies getting stupid haircuts, Rookies having to wear stupid outfits. Those are harmless "hazing" which would really require the rookie who gets offended to maybe reassess their life a little bit.

Forcing rookies to foot a $30,000 dinner bill, and the type of stuff incognito said? completely different.

Playful hazing = okay
hurtful hazing = not okay

And I would respond by saying none of things are necessary in building a team. They may not be hurtful, but they also don't really do much except to anoint one group of players as being above others. You don't build a team by telling certain people that they don't matter as much as others. The line between playful and hurtful shouldn't be left in the hands of racists bullies like Richie and his Dad. In the words of Billy Crystal, "Its not fun and its not funny."

The other problem is that the idea of hazing allows people like Richie to abuse others under the banner of "team building'. Its sick.

 

[Deus Irae]

And I would respond by saying none of things are necessary in building a team. They may not be hurtful, but they also don't really do much except to anoint one group of players as being above others. You don't build a team by telling certain people that they don't matter as much as others. The line between playful and hurtful shouldn't be left in the hands of racists bullies like Richie and his Dad. In the words of Billy Crystal, "Its not fun and its not funny."

The other problem is that the idea of hazing allows people like Richie to abuse others under the banner of "team building'. Its sick.

You might want to take this up with the military, and let the military leaders know that all their studies and years of live testing don't actually prove what they seem to prove.

 

[shmessy]

And I would respond by saying none of things are necessary in building a team. They may not be hurtful, but they also don't really do much except to anoint one group of players as being above others. You don't build a team by telling certain people that they don't matter as much as others. The line between playful and hurtful shouldn't be left in the hands of racists bullies like Richie and his Dad. In the words of Billy Crystal, "Its not fun and its not funny."

The other problem is that the idea of hazing allows people like Richie to abuse others under the banner of "team building'. Its sick.

Here's more of Incognito's "team building" methods:

Dolphins had no choice with Richie Incognito - ESPN

"The sign on his locker in recent weeks that read, “There are two things Richie Incognito does not like: Taxes and Rookies” now has a lot more meaning and context."

Any wonder that the Dolphins- - who were expected this year by many to finally end the Patriots AFC East reign are underperforming.

He's a URFA after this season. Lockerroom-wise, what is this guy's market value?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

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