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If we don't tag Hightower... Will you get a bit nervous?

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I dont think anyone would be willing to give you a second round pick for a linebacker on a 1 year 15M deal.

Nope. Alot of needy team's at LB. I can see it. A team that has cap space. He's a proven player.
 
KC is going a different albeit risky move in paying Berry. I've heard they're paying him off in BITCOINS!

They're also going to tag poe. Go look at their salary structure for 2017. Somebody's cheating lol
 
I still wanna know how the chiefs are signing two of their biggest players with 5 million in cap space.

Because the cap is crap and the Patriots are the cheapest team in the universe blah blah blah oh sorry, just predicting the next Felger column.

The Chiefs can get rid of Foles and save around $11M, and another $6M cutting Jamaal Charles. That's not everything, but a good chunk towards both potentially.
 
They're also going to tag poe. Go look at their salary structure for 2017. Somebody's cheating lol
On a more serious note, if Berry is resigned, u have to believe that monied players will b let go. I heard CHARLES name as one being considered
 
I think everyone on this board has the same philosophy "in Bill we trust". Nevertheless, there is no hiding the fact that the Pats r $60 million under the. cap. I for one will be real curious as to how that money is spent.
 
Because the cap is crap and the Patriots are the cheapest team in the universe blah blah blah oh sorry, just predicting the next Felger column.

The Chiefs can get rid of Foles and save around $11M, and another $6M cutting Jamaal Charles. That's not everything, but a good chunk towards both potentially.

Foles and Charles are not even making that. Are the chiefs one of those team's that get away with breaking the rules
 
I think everyone on this board has the same philosophy "in Bill we trust". Nevertheless, there is no hiding the fact that the Pats r $60 million under the. cap. I for one will be real curious as to how that money is spent.

They will have more than that with some restructures from guy's like amendola.
 
I definitely want him back but I dont think the tag is a good idea. If you tag him at about 15M then that gives him leverage. If your trying to pay him say 12-13M/year and you tag him for 15M then he can just play out the year for 15M and cash in next year for probably even more. Tag to me only makes sense when you are planning to pay him more than the tag or you are desperate and really need to retain the player. I dont think belichick is going to pay him 15+M/year and I dont think he is desperate.

Maybe it's about the guaranteed money at this point

Yup - there's a reason why a lot of players get peeved over getting the franchise tag. It's not that they think they can get more per year (although maybe they do), it's that they're peeved they miss out on the guaranteed money - signing bonuses, etc. that can be a lot higher in aggregate.

Hightower is franchised at 15m and won't sign a 4 year, 50m deal with 25m in guaranteed cash because of that 15m/year "leverage"? What happens to that leverage when he signs the franchise tender and then tears his patella tendon in week 10? That money is now gone; all he gets is the 15m. There's a risk the player takes in this strategy. Can very well work out, but it might not.
 
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I think everyone on this board has the same philosophy "in Bill we trust". Nevertheless, there is no hiding the fact that the Pats r $60 million under the. cap. I for one will be real curious as to how that money is spent.

Exactly. We know they'll spend the money.... But if it's not Chandler Jones, or Collins, or Hightower, I'm extremely curious to find out who it is. Hopefully it winds up better than 2005 and more like 2015.
 
When we had jones, collins and hightower the question was "how do we keep all 3!" Then we traded jones and collins.

If we let Hightower go as well I will be very disappointed. We have the cap space. And dont have a replacement.

I was thinking about that too. First it was " "How do we keep Jones, Collins and Hightower?"

Then we traded Jones and it became 'Now we can keep both Collins and Hightower"

Then we traded Collins and it was "Now we definitely are keeping Hightower"

And now we're discussing the chances of losing Hightower

I know BB's motto is that it's better to let a player go a little early rather than keep a player too long, but man we seem to let a lot of players in their prime go. And it's not like we're up against the cap limit

But Bill has lost more football knowledge in his last sneeze than I'll ever have....so In BB We Trust
 
No because I don't want them to pay Hightower what I suspect he wants. Too injury prone and not a guy who takes over a game in my view. Very good player but I let him walk for any more than 9 mil/year which he will far eclipse. Nothing personal, just economics

Geez. Can you help me pick my next sig?



 
Re-signing Hightower to a little extra would worry me more than with McCourtey because Hightower is less likely to make it through a 5 or so year contract healthy. If he insists on being paid every dollar then I think I would pass. Too much risk with his body's condition and physical play. It would suck to lose him but there's lots of ways to spend $13M or so.
 
Remember when he left the Broncos game last year in Denver...then we lost and it cost us the #1 seed because we had no one to stop the run game like he can.

I would be curious to find out opponents running yards with DH in the game..vs out of the game since he has been in NE.

If he does, in fact, walk...(outside of TB and Dmac) I think is 2/3 in players that we wouldn't be able to replace..at least for a year or two.

Letting Collins and Jones go I could see...to save the $$ for DH. But if Ryan leaves and he will probably go with the $$..and DH leaves. Those are some mighty holes on D. We paid Mayo and DH is just as important to this D

Maybe we do then trade Jimmy G for #12 and build the position again?

60 mill and if it isn't spent on Collins, DH Jones or Ryan....then who? Butler? Even so we would have A LOT left
 
Franchise and trade if it comes down to it
Control where he goes and receive some kind of compensation.
 
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Remember when he left the Broncos game last year in Denver...then we lost and it cost us the #1 seed because we had no one to stop the run game like he can.

I would be curious to find out opponents running yards with DH in the game..vs out of the game since he has been in NE.

If he does, in fact, walk...(outside of TB and Dmac) I think is 2/3 in players that we wouldn't be able to replace..at least for a year or two.

Letting Collins and Jones go I could see...to save the $$ for DH. But if Ryan leaves and he will probably go with the $$..and DH leaves. Those are some mighty holes on D. We paid Mayo and DH is just as important to this D

Maybe we do then trade Jimmy G for #12 and build the position again?

60 mill and if it isn't spent on Collins, DH Jones or Ryan....then who? Butler? Even so we would have A LOT left

They can restructure amendola's contract and add more money. If they don't spend it on hightower or ryan then go out and get some other big defensive players. It's gonna be once again rebuilding some part of the defense.
 
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They can restructure amendola's contract and add more money. If they don't spend it on hightower or ryan then go out and get some other big defensive players. It's gonna be once again rebuilding some part of the defense.

I know the Pats never overpay..but for a guy like DH..he deserves it given what he has done for us. I know the Pats don't think like this however.

Would be a huge let down to see him leave and it sucks we are even talking about this right now because it's a real possibility.

When we traded Collins..i said to myself "Nice that means DH is here to stay" Now? "I just hope he stays..."
 
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They can restructure amendola's contract and add more money. If they don't spend it on hightower or ryan then go out and get some other big defensive players. It's gonna be once again rebuilding some part of the defense.

They will cut Dola if he doesn't restructure. If he does then yes we will gain a couple mill
 
i trust the hoodie.

he'll find a decent replacement in the draft. accept BB's offer or GTFO....
 
Yup - there's a reason why a lot of players get peeved over getting the franchise tag. It's not that they they think they can get more per year (although maybe they do), it's that they're peeved they miss out on the guaranteed money - signing bonuses, etc. that can be a lot higher in aggregate.

Hightower is franchised at 15m and won't sign a 4 year, 50m deal with 25m in guaranteed cash because of that 15m/year "leverage"? What happens to that leverage when he signs the franchise tender and then tears his patella tendon in week 10? That money is now gone; all he gets is the 15m. There's a risk the player takes in this strategy. Can very will work out, but it might not.
"ALL he'll get is $15MM" And what you wrote is exactly what teams don't want to pay long term deals at huge money. If Hightower does tear his patella tendon in week 10, the the Pats will end up having to pay him over $10MM that he didn't earn on the field.

Now I sincerely hope Hightower is back next year, and I would be fine if we pay him around what Jamie Collins got. But let's also remember that he's missed a quarter of the regular season in EACH of the last 3 seasons. Let us also remember that Tavon Wilson had 25 more tackles during the regular season, but that shouldn't shock you since there were 114 other NFL players who had more tackles than Danta Highighower. (BTW- Malcoln Bulter had just one less tackle.)

No question he made a key play in the superbowl. No question that he is a key leader on the team and a linchpin in the locker room and getting people in the right position on defense. That is the only reason I would even consider paying him top 5 ILB money.

You CANNOT pay him stupid money even when you have the cap space. Deals like that always end up killing you down the road. You can probably count o both hands the number of top money deals that end up with the player performing to the money he's getting paid. Given the amount of money they get, it's almost impossible for the player to play that well.

Fortunately the Pats have been fortunate to have have a number of guys who came close to that ideal. Brady of course, but also Wilfolk Law, McCourty (so far), Mankins (until his last year here), and Seymour come do mind. Though Seymour never came close to living up to the deal Oakland gave him.

In an era where LB's like Ryan Shazier are now the ideal and are being sought after and speed is the #1 quality teams are looking at, a 270lb LB with good but not great speed at some point becomes the guy you are pulling on passing downs, and you can't pay THAT much money for a guy who isn't on the field.

I'd be interested to know 2 stats. 1. the percentage of defensive plays Hightower played in. 2. The average percentage of plays Hightower played, in the 12 games he dressed for. I'd be surprised if the total number was over 50%. Obviously the other number will be higher for the 2nd one, but I'm curious to know by how much. When he dressed, how much over 60% of the snaps did he play each game, and if its less than 75%, how do you justify using that much of your cap on a guy who isn't on the field for 3/4's of your snaps. McCourty gets top dollar, but I bet he's on the field for over 90% of the snaps.

Personally I think they franchise him, and work out the deal over time. I'm still 90% he'll be back. But if he walks (which I will hate), I have no doubt they can find someone who will be at least 90% as good for a lot less than the 90% of the money he asked for. However the leadership gap won't be easy to replace, but eventually they will. $65MM can buy a number of good players, even in market that doesn't have a lot of high end FA's.
 
I'm not sure how likely it is, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Hightower is not a Patriot in 2017.

What we do know, is that the Pats will be SB contenders regardless.
 
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