If we don't sign Bodden...

[BillBelichickFan79]

There is a major difference between Samuel and Cromartie. Samuel is actually a smart player who liked to gamble way too often. Cromartie is just athletic. He's horrible in coverage and a lousy tackler. I would not give up Maroney for Cromartie.

And I see no problems in the secondary, but if some people insist the Patriots get someone, I'd rather they get Marlin Jackson who's a better cover corner. His injuries mas scare some off, but he's the only guy I see the Patriots having a realistic chance at having. The Colts are going to have to spend their money on Bethea or Jackson and I'm pretty sure they will go with Bethea.

What? There is no way Marlin Jackson is a better cover corner than Cromartie. I just threw it out there as a possibility, but I would take Cromartie over Jackson.

The knock on Cromartie has been his lack of effort regarding tackling, and the Jets' game incident is being blown up in epic fashion by SD fans b/c they're looking for scapegoats just like we've used Maroney and Wilhite. Cro's always been good at staying with his man and making plays on the ball. He has great speed and quickness, and even though he's not a very physical tackler, he's still a pretty good press corner. He did a hell of a job on Moss in the AFCCG in the midst of the greatest season ever by a WR. He was able to stay with the best WR in the game that year. I actually thought Cromartie had a pretty nice bounce back year after playing injured in 08, but after that Jets game he's been victimized and ripped to shreds.

I don't know I've always given Maroney the benefit of the doubt and have wanted him to succeed, but after seeing Taylor and Morris miss time due to injuries and still be able to produce like him, I'm ready to move on. If we could get someone of Cromartie's talent talent for Maroney, I'd do it. I think he'd flourish under Belichick especially if we upgraded the pass rush.

 

[primetime]

You want a guy who does not fit our running back scheme who has been a healthy scratch

he received the majority of the touches last year from the running back position

cromartie is terrible, as is philip buchanon. shawn springs is a far better option, provided he doesnt retire, than either of those stiffs.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Maroney wasn't the starting RB for the majority of last year? That's news to me...

 

[JackBauer]

I can't believe how overrated Cromartie is by some on this board. It blows my mind. The guy had one year, and hasn't been very good (when he hasn't been injured, that is), since.

 

[primetime]

I can't believe how overrated Cromartie is by some on this board. It blows my mind. The guy had one year, and hasn't been very good (when he hasn't been injured, that is), since.

thats because all they remember of him is two games in the 2007 playoffs, the one against the colts and the one against the patriots

the rest of his career he's been awful. chargers fans would chomp at the bit to get maroney for him. or anything, really.

and buchanon's been miserable his entire career. he cant even start for the dregs of the league like the raiders, lions, or bucs. and this isnt a bodden thing, either. buchanon hasnt been traded recently for one of the best DTs in the league, and he didnt excel in a system like the patriots either. hes been a tampa 2 corner since 05 and hasnt done squat

 

[DW Toys]

thats because all they remember of him is two games in the 2007 playoffs, the one against the colts and the one against the patriots

the rest of his career he's been awful. chargers fans would chomp at the bit to get maroney for him. or anything, really.

and buchanon's been miserable his entire career. he cant even start for the dregs of the league like the raiders, lions, or bucs. and this isnt a bodden thing, either. buchanon hasnt been traded recently for one of the best DTs in the league, and he didnt excel in a system like the patriots either. hes been a tampa 2 corner since 05 and hasnt done squat

Cousins remember, we are talking about a trade for Maroney. This is not trying to trade Jim Brown. LM and Cromartie are two underachievers in my opinion. A change of venue might work for both. People who believe that Cromartie has had a worse career than Maroney to date are way off base. Maroney has been benched and scratched this season. Now he has fumbled inside the five three times this season. When have you Maroney Cousins seen enough? Next year when we get stoo gatz for a former first rounder?

If you happen to think Maroney is better than Cromartie, who has at least a Pro Bowl on his resume, you would be wrong then wouldn't you. People are throwing this out just to be polar and controversial.

Because he missed a tackle on Greene in a playoff game is why the SD fans want to dump Cromartie????.....Please.... our DBs would be tared and feathered out there. Merriweather would be stoned. Look at the 06 AFC Championship game. Our beloved JS blew kisses and sent love notes to Adai on the way to the winning touchdown. Yet many on this site claim he to be the next Ronnie Lott. We invented DB's missing tackles. Our best CB a few years ago who we let go, wouldn't even have to wash his uniform after a game, but he was a ball hawk and it worked. Someone mentioned Rodney had his back. This was very true and perhaps we need a Safety we can trust again to back Cromartie because Cousins, the man has some skills.

You mentioned two playoff games in which Cromartie excelled. It means to me he has the ability. Let's up the performance. Can we point out two Playoff Games where Maroney made us forget about getting another RB in here? I can't.

They say that Cromartie actually had a pretty solid year and best since the 08 broken hip. People on this site insist that Maroney is a valued starter and why get anyone else to take his place. These are the same Cousins who say "I like to hit my head with a hammer because it feels so good when I stop!".

Cousins, please let some of us here move on A.M. (After Maroney) without force feeding the rest of us into your undying loyalty for a number one draft choice gone sour, but of which I do highly respect your opinions.

Again Cromartie for Maroney? How fast?
DW Toys

 

[RobertWeathers]

Again Cromartie for Maroney? How fast?
DW Toys

Not fast enough. Surprised this is even debatable.

My only issue with Cromartie is how he conducts his personal life but TBH, as long as he can shut down a side of field, I really don't care.

A certain coach one said, "Look. Football players aren't choirboys..."

 

[Kontradiction]

Not fast enough. Surprised this is even debatable.

My only issue with Cromartie is how he conducts his personal life but TBH, as long as he can shut down a side of field, I really don't care.

A certain coach one said, "Look. Football players aren't choirboys..."

That's been the problem with Cromartie lately. He hasn't been capable of shutting down a couple of inches on the field, let alone half of it.

 

[JackBauer]

Not fast enough. Surprised this is even debatable.

My only issue with Cromartie is how he conducts his personal life but TBH, as long as he can shut down a side of field, I really don't care.

A certain coach one said, "Look. Football players aren't choirboys..."

I can't believe how overrated Cromartie is by some on this board. It blows my mind. The guy had one year, and hasn't been very good (when he hasn't been injured, that is), since.

And here we have Exhibit A. Which leads me to the obvious question: have you watched a Chargers game since 2007?

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's been the problem with Cromartie lately. He hasn't been capable of shutting down a couple of inches on the field, let alone half of it.

Based on his comp %, and other numbers. he was better this past year than 2008. Granted last year he was hurt pretty badly and played...

CBs are funny. They'll lose it quickly. Just look at DeAngelo Hall. The guy used to be a top DB now hes just a tad above average...

 

[JackBauer]

If you happen to think Maroney is better than Cromartie, who has at least a Pro Bowl on his resume, you would be wrong then wouldn't you. People are throwing this out just to be polar and controversial.

Absolutely not. I would prefer Maroney over Cromartie, and it's not even that close.

Cromartie sucks, as Chargers fans will attest.

Yet many on this site claim he to be the next Ronnie Lott.

Ah, so the lingering butthurt from being so consistently wrong about James Sanders continues.

Tell you what. Please provide one -- and I mean one -- quote from anyone on this forum claiming that Sanders would be the next Ronnie Lott.

Again Cromartie for Maroney? How fast?

How does n-e-v-e-r sound to you?

I'm surprised you haven't suggested we franchise Watson so we could trade him, Maroney, and Sanders to the Chargers for Cromartie and their first round pick.

 

[RobertWeathers]

And here we have Exhibit A. Which leads me to the obvious question: have you watched a Chargers game since 2007?

Confused. Not sure why my name is attached to the second quote in your post? Never said that.

Yes, I have watched Chargers games since 2007. Cromartie was brutal in 2008 b/c of a nasty hip injury. Overall, he had a nice comeback year last year. No one is saying he is Darelle Revis..

Based on the lack of playmaking the Pats D had last year, they need someone with his athleticism and playmaking in the backfield.

As I've said in the past, Maroney was a nice player here. Nothing against him. But given the choice b/t/w a serviceable RB and a potential #1 at worst #2 CB, it's a obvious choice IMO.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Now that I've thought it over and read some posts, Cromartie and Butler would be a good tandem. The pats wouldn't need to even attempt to sign Bodden. RB can be addressed with the 53 pick.

 

[JackBauer]

Confused. Not sure why my name is attached to the second quote in your post? Never said that.

Yes, I have watched Chargers games since 2007. Cromartie was brutal in 2008 b/c of a nasty hip injury. Overall, he had a nice comeback year last year. No one is saying he is Darelle Revis..

Based on the lack of playmaking the Pats D had last year, they need someone with his athleticism and playmaking in the backfield.

As I've said in the past, Maroney was a nice player here. Nothing against him. But given the choice b/t/w a serviceable RB and a potential #1 at worst #2 CB, it's a obvious choice IMO.

I attached your quote because it fit right in with my incredulousness at how many here overrated Cromartie.

So I guess we'll agree to disagree then.

I'd rather re-sign Bodden and draft a pass rush. I think drafting a RB would be wise, since Taylor/Morris aren't exactly paragons of health.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Could Bodden be tendered?

That would cost 8M though,right?

No way is Bodden worth that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I attached your quote because it fit right in with my incredulousness at how many here overrated Cromartie.

So I guess we'll agree to disagree then.

I'd rather re-sign Bodden and draft a pass rush. I think drafting a RB would be wise, since Taylor/Morris aren't exactly paragons of health.

Don't get me wrong. I would rather have Bodden over Cromartie. With Cromartie comes great risk.

I just think you are upgrading your talent for a Maroney for Cromatie.

I certainly want to see the Pats draft a RB no matter what.

 

[emoney_33]

I certainly want to see the Pats draft a RB no matter what.

Hopefully not in the first 4-5 rounds.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Hopefully not in the first 4-5 rounds.

I agree. High quality RB talent can be found in the later rounds- especially this draft.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Could Bodden be tendered?

That would cost 8M though,right?

No way is Bodden worth that.

I wonder if Reiss really researched this or just made an assumption that PFT is holding him to. At any rate, Bodden likely wouldn't sign the transition tender because he's looking for a long term deal. And he might not have precluded it's use since it doesn't hamper his market like the franchise tag compensation does, although some teams don't like the week long wait or uncertainty involved in allowing the former team to match. The team could assess his market and then get to match any deal he gets if they chose to with no compensation if they don't. I don't think poison pills will be tolerated this season because management needs to maintain a united front. If he doesn't get any early interest they could pull the tag or offer him a long term deal with more than $8M in bonus or guarantees which would be a given if they remotely like him even as a solid #2. They're willing to pay $4M+ for that player.

But yeah, no way they pay him $8M for a season.

 

[captain stone]

So...what would be a ballpark number fair to both sides? Keep in mind, the pickings for UFA CBs are kinda slim.