If Patrick Peterson - CB - LSU falls to 7....SF.. Would ya?

[patsfaninpa]

deal both firsts for the best player in the draft? I see him in a role like Charles Woodson. A slot guy who covers, blitzes and makes life miserable for offensive coordinators. The trade value table works. 7th pick is 1600. Our two equal 1650. The thing is. Do you view him as a transcendent player? Or, the best of an average lot this year.

We might be able to get a good 3-4 de prospect at 33. Like Cameron Heyward or M. Wilkerson.

 

[Tasco]

too much to give up for a position that is not a primary need and doesn't correct our deficiencies imo.

draft a mid-round guy at CB, as we seem to always do, and fix the D- & O-Line.

 

[mcsully]

deal both firsts for the best player in the draft? I see him in a role like Charles Woodson. A slot guy who covers, blitzes and makes life miserable for offensive coordinators. The trade value table works. 7th pick is 1600. Our two equal 1650. The thing is. Do you view him as a transcendent player? Or, the best of an average lot this year.

We might be able to get a good 3-4 de prospect at 33. Like Cameron Heyward or M. Wilkerson.

While I think he could be a good corner, I have a feeling he'll be a much better safety. His hips are what concern me.. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if BB likes him. He can play all 4 downs like McCourty.

 

[patsfaninpa]

While I think he could be a good corner, I have a feeling he'll be a much better safety. His hips are what concern me.. That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if BB likes him. He can play all 4 downs like McCourty.

Meriweather is a UFA after this year. So, if he is getting too big for cb. You can slide him to free safety. Good point about 4 downs. He's an excellent return man if you want to risk him playing there.

 

[Defsoul]

I'm not sure which expert said it, but someone was questioning Petersons football IQ and his ability to handle a complex defense with a lot of disguised coverages. The kind of stuff the Patriots like to run.

I think he would still be a good player in such a sophisticated defense just because he is so physically talented. But you probably won't get another cornerback who's as smart as Devin McCourty.

 

[Clonamery]

deal both firsts for the best player in the draft? I see him in a role like Charles Woodson. A slot guy who covers, blitzes and makes life miserable for offensive coordinators. The trade value table works. 7th pick is 1600. Our two equal 1650. The thing is. Do you view him as a transcendent player? Or, the best of an average lot this year.

We might be able to get a good 3-4 de prospect at 33. Like Cameron Heyward or M. Wilkerson.

Why wouldn't SF just pick him?

 

[Don_the_patfan]

deal both firsts for the best player in the draft? I see him in a role like Charles Woodson. A slot guy who covers, blitzes and makes life miserable for offensive coordinators. The trade value table works. 7th pick is 1600. Our two equal 1650. The thing is. Do you view him as a transcendent player? Or, the best of an average lot this year.

We might be able to get a good 3-4 de prospect at 33. Like Cameron Heyward or M. Wilkerson.

Not at 7 too rich for me. But if he slides at #10 then all you would have to give up is a first and a second. That would be good. It would give you lockdown corners in him and Mccourty( in this leauge you need 3 corners anyway) and on top of that you still have a first and a second.

But you would sacrifice DE and/or OLB in the first which you greatly need.

 

[mcsully]

Meriweather is a UFA after this year. So, if he is getting too big for cb. You can slide him to free safety. Good point about 4 downs. He's an excellent return man if you want to risk him playing there.

Very true but how do you feel about giving up #17 and #28 to move up and get a safety. Who might not start full time until next year

 

[chicowalker]

Not at 7 too rich for me. But if he slides at #10 then all you would have to give up is a first and a second. That would be good. It would give you lockdown corners in him and Mccourty( in this leauge you need 3 corners anyway) and on top of that you still have a first and a second.

But you would sacrifice DE and/or OLB in the first which you greatly need.

I'm not convinced he's a lockdown corner. I watched a lot of his games the past 2 years, and last year especially he didn't seem to be as great a player. (I won't pretend to understand why that was the case or how his abilities project to the NFL, though.)

 

[Wilfork#75]

I'm not sure which expert said it, but someone was questioning Petersons football IQ and his ability to handle a complex defense with a lot of disguised coverages. The kind of stuff the Patriots like to run.

I think he would still be a good player in such a sophisticated defense just because he is so physically talented. But you probably won't get another cornerback in Peterson who's as smart as Devin McCourty.

I think this is the most important thing about Peterson. He is a pure man to man cover corner. He really struggles in zone coverage and doesn't have great processing speed. While I think he will be an elite shut down CB in the NFL, I think if he were to come to NE he could be a bust. I think the system plays a huge part in the success of a player, and Peterson isn't a good fit here. Even moving him to FS I think he would struggle making decisions, so to me it definitely isn't worth moving up for the guy. Don't get me wrong I love this kid and I think he can be special, but he needs a team that will let him play on instincts rather than scheme.

 

[stinkypete]

Why wouldn't SF just pick him?

What he said. CB is SF's biggest non-QB need.

 

[DW Toys]

deal both firsts for the best player in the draft? I see him in a role like Charles Woodson. A slot guy who covers, blitzes and makes life miserable for offensive coordinators. The trade value table works. 7th pick is 1600. Our two equal 1650. The thing is. Do you view him as a transcendent player? Or, the best of an average lot this year.

We might be able to get a good 3-4 de prospect at 33. Like Cameron Heyward or M. Wilkerson.

I look at it this way Cousin. I am trading Richard Seymour and a first round Draft pick for whom some think and estimate, will be a very good NFL player. I like him but I would rather keep my two picks and go out and "buy" Asomugha even if he cost me more because he has a respected NFL pedigree and is not your "definite maybe" although I think Peterson will be good personally. Now you have all three players on your roster in theory and you just plug Asomugha in and he plays day one. Are we not a better team with that scenario rather than trading for one guy? We have the CAP room and perhaps Bodden is that FS with coverage and play making skills we need desperately.......Would the Pats be a better Team? Thoughts?

Here is another monkey wrench into the gears, we trade two first rounders and through no fault of his own, Peterson gets an ACL. This now becomes the 2011 Draft disaster, not the optimum position that we own going in.
DW Toys

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Von Miller is the best player in this draft...Perterson is good but Miller will make the best pro out of the 1st rounders

And he is the ONLY pick I would trade UP for

 

[peterforpats]

excuseme, i think it has been stated before- IT ALL STARTS IN THE TRENCHES. fix both lines and you'll be amazed how much better the whole defense will be. getting another cb/ ss may help a little , but getting real pass rushers will help a lot more.

 

[patsfaninpa]

"Whom some think and estimate." Some??? Most analysts think he's the safest pick in the draft. Couldn't that be said about every player? What if your Seymour pick tears an ACL? You can draft an average OL at 28 who may/may not help this team win games. I think the last two drafts gave us a foundation and depth needed to succeed. Now, we have to supplement that with "outstanding" players. Not decent ones.

SF needs a cb and qb. People speculate they trade up for a qb after taking their regular pick at 7. If they get 2 first for 7. They don't have to mortgage any future picks to fill those 2 needs.

I don't see Peterson as a cb like a Revis or D. Sanders. I see him more in the way Charles Woodson plays. Capable of playing a top wr one on one. Can blitz. And, will probably be moved to FS. Like Rod Woodson.

 

[VJCPatriot]

No. Peterson is not worth the pick capital to us. Get a DE early, than an OLB a little bit later. CB can be addressed later. The Pats need a nickelback. That doesn't take a 1st to address.

 

[patsfaninpa]

No. Peterson is not worth the pick capital to us. Get a DE early, than an OLB a little bit later. CB can be addressed later. The Pats need a nickelback. That doesn't take a 1st to address.

I agree that de and olb are our two biggest areas of need on the defense. I'm hoping we pick late 20's or 32 over the next couple of years. Just think that this is a rare chance to draft an elite player. I think the difference between Cam Jordan(my preference and possible 17th pick) and Cam Heyward(whom we might be able to get at 33) is only marginal IMO. The difference between a 3rd cb his rookie year and Darius Butler/Kyle Arrington is significant. Then he starts in year two and Bodden slides to nickel back.

I've given up on trying to guess what olb we go for. Have a hunch Chris Carter from Fresno St this year. Could get him at 60. Just to play it out. I would rather have Peterson, Heyward and Carter. Than C. Jordan/JJ Watt, N. Solder, J. Houston/B.Reed and the 60th pick.

 

[jays52]

No. No no no! He has bust written all over him. He didn't know where his help was when they disguised the safeties, and he can't pass receivers. I saw one play in particular where he was supposed to drop into a deep coverage when they brought a triple fire and he jumped the slant of a sluggo. Six. He's the typical idiot DB, not the heady Patriots type DB. His game is to jam and stay in the hip pocket which is going to be exponentially harder at the next level. He'll be good enough in a 1 or 0 scheme, but he is not going to be an elite player. Plus, I think he's as dumb as a bag of hammers. I like Amukamara much better for the Patriots once a certain dreadlocked geometrically challenged safety hits the road.

 

[Dufflebagz]

Although I believe he is the safest pick in the draft and has an extremely high ceiliing, two 1st rounders is way too much to give up.....if he fell to the 12-15 range I'd start thinking about it, but I'd prefer if we didn't trade up for him at all.

 

[Mankok]

Peterson will never reach 7. If he is available at 6 Jerry Jones will trade up with Cleveland to select him. Cleveland can then use the Dallas pick to get their man Julio Jones at 9. This is a done deal if the scenario unfolds. It will cost Dallas big in additional picks, maybe even a second, but Jerry loves Peterson.